[02:27:09] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf6) at Sat Jun 30 02:27:08 UTC 2012 [02:27:20] Logged the message, Master [02:53:46] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf5) at Sat Jun 30 02:53:46 UTC 2012 [02:53:53] Logged the message, Master [04:46:38] thehelpfulone: ping [11:29:00] I don't remember, is the Wikimedia error page now sending people to this channel as decided a while ago? [11:29:48] hm goo.gl evil [13:27:38] Nemo_bis: as opposed to where? [13:49:33] Nemo_bis, it is currently directing to #wikipedia [13:55:11] no hashar... [13:55:26] oh, right #wikipedia [16:55:38] Is there any problems with the Toolserver right now? Several bots have just timed out. [16:56:51] is there ever not? [16:57:27] * Nathan2055 sighs [16:57:33] You ARE right. [17:06:47] Nathan2055: works for me [17:07:05] Okay then. [17:07:26] * Betacommand notes that he is a TS user and has half a dozen working bots still up [17:37:16] Platonides, thanks [17:37:54] :) [17:37:58] 6 hours later... [17:40:38] * Nemo_bis was reading [17:40:53] hm, I don't find any bug about it [17:42:47] sigh, last update to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20079 more than a year ago [17:43:20] it may be considered this one https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16043 [17:45:33] #wikimedia-status [17:46:01] well, change to #wikimedia-tech seems a wontfix [17:46:41] how so, apergos wanted it [17:47:14] #wikimedia-status has never worked AFAIK [17:47:31] well did he want #wikimedia-tech ? [17:47:51] Platonides, yes [17:47:58] what did I want? [17:48:28] turns out, I convinced myself quite well when reading again https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16043#c5 [17:48:38] moreover, in the last outage we used this channel [17:48:42] you told I don't remember who to change the Wikimedia error page so that it contained #wikimedia-tech rather than #wikipedia, because we want the feedback from users [17:48:59] I think it was when we needed to know about thumbs errors for instance [17:49:08] I don't remember that but I do know I prefer us to have one channel for this stuff instead of ten [17:49:19] heh [17:49:20] and this is usually that channel [17:49:44] Platonides, it's a good thing that we can talk with the ourselves of the past to change our mind! [17:49:54] lol [17:49:56] * apergos secretly wants to get rid of wm operations and wm dev and fold them back into this one [17:50:28] apergos, are you aware of the plans to spit #mediawiki? :) [17:50:39] :-/ [17:50:43] the migration of bots here and there might affect your secret plots [17:50:49] I'm already in ten channel. seriously [17:50:55] * Nemo_bis 32 [17:50:56] and I'm not in all the ones I should be [17:50:58] ten? that's not too bad.. [17:51:20] it's because my client floods out of freenode after autojoin of more than ten channels [17:51:41] you only have to put a post-join automatic command with a timer [17:51:54] apergos, me too [17:52:02] apergos, only ten? [17:52:11] there is no provision for that in pidgin [17:52:16] yes, only ten [17:52:27] I'm in 35 [17:52:28] if I add one more freenode will boot me on rejoin [17:52:30] repeatedly [17:54:08] I join to 30 at once [17:54:19] maybe you need to add a delay after entering [17:54:36] Platonides, should I transform that bug in a request to change #wikipedia to #wikimedia-tech? [17:54:43] my client doens't support that [17:54:51] looks like we need a smaaall change at a time [17:54:52] I have had problems recently due to been quitted with Excess flood on autojoin [17:54:57] after adding some channels [17:54:59] you see [17:55:09] Nemo_bis, but why? [17:55:22] there's been a bug submitted since the freenode change and the devs wontfixed it just about immediately [17:56:35] apergos, where? [17:56:53] I forget [17:57:02] every time I go check on the client I see it though [17:57:03] Platonides, because it's more language and project neutral and the only place where you have actual hope to find technical help, plus the feedback is a valuable resource [17:57:49] Nemo_bis, it's not suirable to send every reader here on an outage [17:58:09] Platonides, why not? [17:58:26] Thehelpfulone: as a FYI - the WM LGBT outreach folks have asked WikiQueer to create their mailing list on our server tmrw so they can begin prep for Wikimania and such - it sounds unlikely WMF will change their mind by then - but we can try and merge them later if need be I suppose - ty for your help on that request though :) [17:58:37] aww [17:58:44] Nemo_bis, they would distract the devs actually trying to fix it [17:58:55] Platonides, how so, devs work on -operations and -dev [17:59:04] it's not as they lack channels [17:59:20] well, this channel existed previous to #wikimedia-operations [17:59:29] and on last outage this one was used [17:59:39] since the bots kept flooding #wikimedia-operations [18:00:17] then let's send people to #wikimedia, what can I say [18:00:47] that's an option [18:01:01] quite ridiculous to need that many channels though [18:01:22] Nemo_bis: I personally agree [18:01:23] I don't like such channel proliferation [18:15:47] we actually do fine when they show up in here [18:16:11] someone answers questions or says "see topic" [18:16:15] the rest work [18:16:41] I expct people to show up here to ask what's wrong and to report outages [18:16:50] I can't guarantee I'll be in the wikimedia channel [18:20:04] apergos, the point is that on an outage someone on #wikimedia would come here and forward it [18:20:16] if it's not known by everyone already [18:20:47] this seems like something "the community" ought to organize [18:21:05] where by "the community" I mean "outside of the little circle of devs and tech folks generally [18:21:37] time for food an mosquitos [18:22:11] ¿mosquitos? :S [18:30:32] apergos, why don't you comment on the bug saying to replace #wikipedia with #wikimedia-tech? :) [20:16:19] lists.wikimedia.ch appears to be unaccessible from the front end... [20:16:27] *inaccessible [20:19:34] no use in saying here [20:20:10] I'm yet to get a repy in #wikimedia-ch... [20:20:23] try manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch [20:20:33] OK, thanks.