[23:59:57] 3 [00:00:00] 1 [00:00:03] started [00:00:13] the WMF probably is gonna be late [00:00:22] yes, ~10 hrs [00:00:39] Well we have to let mark wake up first :D [00:01:41] AT&T hasn't turned it on for me yet, even though my modem has IPv6 [00:01:56] but any sysadmin can make my requested change to $wgBlockCIDRLimit, right? [00:02:29] any shell could i guess [00:02:37] jeremyb: yes [00:02:42] you should elaborate some on the change [00:02:46] Jasper_Deng: Is it already done in Gerrit? [00:02:57] well, it's under review a.t.m. [00:03:05] it needs to be synchronized, though. [00:03:15] what does that mean? rebased? [00:03:55] that means put into CommonSettings.php [00:04:01] or InitialiseSettings.php [00:04:11] so that the $wgConf->settings of Wikimedia has an entry for that. [00:04:21] or, the DefaultSettings.php is updated. [00:04:48] do you have a gerrit account? [00:05:03] no [00:09:00] Jasper_Deng: and what did you say it should be? [00:09:04] 32? [00:09:09] yeah [00:09:23] see the bugzilla entry [00:09:28] which? [00:09:34] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37359 [00:15:59] Jasper_Deng: AaronSchulz pushed a patch for that <20 mins ago [00:16:16] !g 10387 [00:16:16] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,10387,n,z [00:16:21] which was what I was talking about [00:16:23] but it hasn't been merged yet. [00:16:30] first it needs a review [00:16:42] and who's allowed to do a review? [00:16:42] merge is easier, AaronSchulz can do that himself [00:17:54] well almost anyone with an account can do one. i think i will even. but it needs at least one review from a project owner i think [00:18:19] who owns the mediawiki core? [00:18:48] there, reviewed [00:19:30] you also said "but someone else must approve." [00:20:05] approval is a type of areview [00:20:10] review* [00:20:19] it can wait [00:20:42] these people: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/groups/11,members [00:21:01] it says I need to log in [00:21:21] but someone'll get it [00:30:00] Hey [00:30:28] hi Sven_Manguard [00:30:49] Quick question. So the new IPv6 goes like "2001:980:1451:1:7489:9306:E373:D177". Why do we leave out the zeros? [00:31:09] there were no zeros left out in this particular address. [00:31:17] Now? [00:31:28] but normally it's just for convenience purposes. [00:31:34] "2001:*0*980:1451:*000*1:7489:9306:E373:D177" [00:31:37] '2001:0db8:0:0:0:0:1428:57ab' is much ugglier than [00:31:50] MediaWiki will not use :: contractions [00:31:56] but it will contract that zero, sorry [00:31:58] Yes, but it's so much cleaner [00:32:00] 2001:db8::1428:57 [00:32:07] clearer* [00:32:08] it's currently being discussed [00:32:13] whether [00:32:15] in history pages [00:32:20] where! I want to share my unqualified opinion! [00:32:23] and rollback edit summaries, they should be contracted [00:32:29] on Bugzilla. [00:32:48] link? [00:33:16] gimme a few secs [00:33:29] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36780 [00:33:52] ::: is rather standard everywhere... apart from it seems routers. [00:34:20] my only concern is that it just might break luxotool [00:34:42] Jasper_Deng: We have to try [00:35:00] we have no specimans yet [00:35:05] specimens* [01:02:50] "Error creating thumbnail: convert: Insufficient memory (case 4)" [01:06:04] where? [01:07:55] Jasper_Deng: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Berlin_Hackathon_-_2012-0602-_P1400222-P1400234.jpg [01:09:37] not even an error message for me [01:09:51] Jasper_Deng: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Wikimedia_Berlin_Hackathon_-_2012-0602-_P1400222-P1400234.jpg/798px-Wikimedia_Berlin_Hackathon_-_2012-0602-_P1400222-P1400234.jpg [01:10:01] seen [01:10:03] that's the URI which gives the actual error [01:10:08] time to go to Bugzilla [01:11:34] Tbf it is a big picture. [02:10:58] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf4) at Wed Jun 6 02:10:58 UTC 2012 [02:11:05] Logged the message, Master [02:11:54] what's LocalisationUpdate? [02:13:47] Jasper_Deng: i think it compares strings between master and branches and ports over non-english strings that changed where the corresponding english string had not changed [02:14:04] oh [02:35:47] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf3) at Wed Jun 6 02:35:47 UTC 2012 [02:35:51] Logged the message, Master [02:44:07] Jasper_Deng: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/puppet.git;a=blob;f=files/misc/l10nupdate/l10nupdate-1;hb=HEAD [02:44:32] seems pretty routine. [02:54:18] if by routine you mean twice a night then yes ;P [09:12:37] is ipv6 coming in 1hr? [09:13:08] I thought that the ipv6 testing was finished....? [09:16:50] Do we have a limit in width for large jpeg files ? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Missing_thumbs_for_big_image_.28jpg.29 [09:17:54] or is it just the overall size ? [09:25:19] huh, I've never heard of a limit. Let me do some checking [09:28:37] esby: that doesn't show up in bugzilla [09:28:44] you might want to file a new bug report in bugzilla [09:29:21] I can't find anything with the string in bugzilla "Error creating thumbnail: convert: Insufficient memory" [09:29:44] Pine: i am assuming it has to do with imagemagick setting [09:30:00] now i don't know the exact limit, so i cannot say if this is a bug or a feature [09:30:38] Why would there be a limit? [09:31:22] 16,069 wide certainly doesn't sound like it should be too large [09:31:48] Pine: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/gallery/ticket/1513 [09:32:45] hmm [09:32:57] well not sure, but 16 069 < 16384 while 20k is not [09:33:12] that could be it, I suppose [09:33:29] so either this is a memory setting issue (or feature), either there is an issue with max width (or height if we have such images) [09:33:57] might be worth asking a dev about that? It's beyond my knowledge. :( sorry [09:34:12] O [09:34:16] I'm sure height isn't the issue [09:34:36] I'm 99% sure I've seen taller images [09:34:59] yes, but maybe it's a recent change :o [09:35:15] perhaps [09:35:37] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panorama_de_La_Garde_depuis_la_chapelle_au_matin.jpg [09:35:51] huh [09:35:56] yeah, so maybe something broke [09:35:56] one old upload , 27 926 × 5 937 - 54,34 MB [09:39:31] it's the actual amouont of memory used, there is a ulimit set so that a process can't just eat all of memory on the conversion [09:48:11] Pine: submitted a bug report https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37367 [09:53:32] :) ok I'll WL [09:53:47] I guess in BZ it's called CCing [09:55:30] esby: your eml isn't on the cc list. Do you want it to be? [09:58:18] Pine: all reporters are automatically inculded [10:00:20] ok then [10:05:20] r1 [11:00:34] [[Tech]]; Psubhashish; /* Help regarding an analysis tool! */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=3814435&oldid=3812262&rcid=3335734 [11:09:07] [[Tech]]; Psubhashish; /* Help regarding an analysis tool! */ ; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=3814452&oldid=3814435&rcid=3335749 [11:49:18] it would be funny if Sue would become the first user to complain that she can't access wikipedia because of the IPv6 launch... ;-) [11:49:37] (but I hope not) [11:51:27] mark: Is it already accesible with IPv6 now? And if so, are you aware of IP edits already occured? [11:52:07] yes and yes [11:52:45] It will be interesting to see the rise in v6 editing [11:52:59] * Damianz looks at the analytics nerds [11:53:24] mark: Could you please link me one of those IPv6 edits? For tool testing and such (I sadly can't create any at my own) [11:54:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIPv6&diff=496254511&oldid=496152296 [11:55:46] really... [11:55:58] The speed that people update article is insane sometimes [11:57:10] thanks, mark, if I need more I'll just look into the recentchanges DB table ;) [11:59:39] wtf is snitch [11:59:57] @recentchanges-on [11:59:57] Feed is enabled [12:08:43] hoo: i tried and found only 5 edits that match to 'rc_user = 0 and rc_user_text like "%:%"' in recentchanges. pretty sparse. [12:09:02] whym: That's exactly how I did it... [12:09:27] There are several things which break slightly, but nothing which completly fails [14:24:02] why can't I see AAAA records with: dig @ns0.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org ? [14:25:21] need new glasses? [14:28:04] eh I should type dig @ns0.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org AAAA [15:58:38] hello guys. Is the old proxy-blocker (from 2005, run my Tim AFAIR) still in activity? The german OTRS-team just got a message from a user who was blocked by it [16:38:24] DaBPunkt: did you get an answer? [16:39:22] liangent: an nslookup to that dns server yields an IPv6 [16:40:32] or just -t any ? [16:41:09] yeah, -t any does it for me [16:42:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PumpkinSky has AFT5... [16:42:29] Whoa what? [16:42:41] Doesn't show for me [16:43:21] It was just on User:Raul654 but disappeared a few moments later [16:43:26] I don't see it either, logged in or logged out. [16:43:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654 , (only on HTTP) [16:43:54] no idea [16:44:10] sgardner: identify? [16:45:06] Hmm, I think I see how this might have been caused... [16:46:06] fuck cz [16:46:12] Oklahoma: she's been using the same IP for hours... [16:47:10] fuck cz? explain? [16:47:20] what? [16:51:20] RoanKattouw: was that a real bug or just a troll? [16:51:49] That may or may not have been a real bug [16:51:58] Given the code I could see how that could have happened [16:52:57] I took a quick look at the central feedback page, no sign of feedback coming in from user pages at a cursory glance [17:04:43] Roan, do the messages coming from mediawiki (via clicktracking ext or whatever) adhere to the same format as the squid logs, documented here: http://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/articles/s/q/u/Squid_log_format.html ? [17:04:57] ori-livneh: No [17:05:06] Well, maybe, but if so only by accident [17:05:22] wait, i'm being an idiot. obviously some fields won't apply [17:05:35] i'll just split on the basis of the first field [17:06:09] ori-livneh: See ClickTracking.hooks.php lines 238-251 [17:06:35] RoanKattouw: cool, thanks [17:41:14] Hm.. looks like we need an exception in HTTPS Everywhere for wikitech-static [17:41:17] getting 404 error [17:41:20] https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/articles/s/q/u/Squid_log_format.html [17:42:38] wtf is wikitech-static ? [17:42:51] Why do people invent new domains, then make them not support HTTPS (!!) and not even tell me [17:43:05] Looks like a fairly old domain actually [17:43:20] October 2009 [17:44:18] the content at least [17:45:54] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Squid_log_format [17:48:25] RoanKattouw: alternatively: why don't we have zone files in public or at least not top secret version control and then we can watch for new domains and test for https. (in a cron even) [17:57:52] Reedy: AaronSchulz: which of you will be handling the 1.20wmf4 upgrade on *.wikipedia.org? [17:58:54] * AaronSchulz hasn't seen Reedy [18:01:32] AaronSchulz: looks like it'll be you. you good with that? [18:01:56] I guess [18:02:58] feel free to switch the whole list at once rather than easing in....we can always revert if necessary [18:03:14] yeah, it's very unlikely to matter [18:05:51] !log aaron rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: Moved remaining wikis to 1.20wmf4 [18:05:55] Logged the message, Master [18:14:16] RoanKattouw: is secure dead yet? :) [18:14:23] No! [18:14:36] I *still* need to get Ryan to give me nginx rewrite rule templates dammit [18:14:51] I want to kill the cruft multiversion code for secure [18:14:55] but meh [18:15:00] Leave it for now [18:15:10] of course [18:15:12] And when Ryan gets back I'll make him fix this [18:15:54] post a note on his front door at his home [18:16:24] I was gonna suggest gunpoint [18:16:33] but I guess a horse's head in his bed would work? [18:16:43] * AaronSchulz thinks Roan has been in the Tenderloin too long [18:16:46] whaha [18:17:57] <^demon> You could setup a cron to e-mail him every hour on the hour :) [18:22:10] No, I like exponentially increasing frequency better [18:22:18] Get him to promise to do it by a certain date [18:22:37] Then send a reminder 8 days before, 4 days before, 2 days, 1 day, 12 hours, 6 hours, 3 hours , etc [18:22:40] <^demon> We can just write a [[Special:Nag]] :) [18:28:53] jeremyb: no, I didn't [19:15:19] RoanKattouw: would something like this do? https://gist.github.com/2884023 [19:23:56] right now, wikimedia projects can handle with large video files? [19:24:15] erm? define large? [19:24:28] no file can be larger than i think it's 4GB [19:24:53] DaBPunkt: there's an mwblocker.log but idk how it's generated [19:25:14] wmf-config/CommonSettings.php:1327:$wgProxyList = "$wmfConfigDir/mwblocker.log"; [19:25:50] idk if that's what you're talking abotu [19:25:52] about* [19:27:46] jeremyb: i'm talking with a gestual translator about the change of having a movie with a gestual translator [19:28:23] Alchimista: uhhh, huh? [19:28:32] 06 19:24:14 < jeremyb> erm? define large? [19:28:59] i'm not sure :P [19:30:21] well >4G (or maybe 5G?) requires non-trivial changes. or a manual upload and then a file that can't be deleted properly if it's ever put up for deletion [19:31:06] certainly 5G is a definite limit. the question is how hard it is to work around the 4G limit [19:31:55] well, i imagine it wouldn't be that large. so the problem could be in upload process [19:32:05] i suppose it would be easy enough to check file size before you attempt to delete and then refuse if it's too big. and refer to file a bug for the delete [19:32:21] but it's not the kind of thing people are going to want to do more than once or twice [19:32:31] Alchimista: what's wrong with the upload process? [19:32:49] commons acepts for example, 1gb file? [19:32:58] 4G [19:32:59] i think [19:36:33] $ git grep -A4 -n "'wgMaxUploadSize'" wmf-config [19:36:33] wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php:9532:'wgMaxUploadSize' => array( [19:36:33] wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php-9533- // Only affects URL uploads; web uploads are enforced by PHP. [19:36:36] wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php-9534- 'default' => 1024 * 1024 * 500, // 500MB try this :D [19:36:40] wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php-9535- 'ptwiki' => 1024 * 500, // 500 KB, as requested in #23186 [19:36:43] wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php-9536-), [19:36:44] maybe the comment's out of date? [19:37:52] no, i saw some info page on commons, i'm tryng to find out where [19:38:45] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Maximum_file_size [19:38:48] RoanKattouw_away: good luck with the note on my door. I'm in germany all month :D [19:39:04] jeremyb: "The maximum file size on Commons is set at 100 MB (104.857.600 bytes)." [19:39:28] Ryan_Lane: what about the horse? [19:39:36] Alchimista: also probably out of date [19:39:37] eh? [19:39:48] Ryan_Lane: /lastlog horse ;) [19:39:52] glad to know :D [19:40:20] Alchimista: not out of date, you just left something out of your quote. [19:40:22] > setting in their user preferences benefit from a limit of 500 MB (524.288.000 bytes) - see Commons:Chunked uploads.[3] [19:40:32] anyway, 500MB is just a test. might be raised [19:40:44] there have been ~2.4 GB uploads recently iirc [19:40:47] by filing a bug [19:41:14] one can manually import files up to 4GiB [19:41:36] AaronSchulz: and how hard is it to rasise that limit to 5GiB? [19:41:45] well, 2GB is more than enough [19:42:07] i assume past 5 is more of an issue than getting to 5 [19:42:10] jeremyb: we can go up to 5GB in Swift, after that it gets non-trivial [19:42:35] AaronSchulz: as i already said ;) [20:21:48] errors on enwp https [20:21:53] ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:21:12 GMT [20:23:20] you could provide a little more detial [20:23:22] detail* [20:25:14] works for me [20:25:19] both https and http [20:25:34] eh just fixed...but I noticed that I now have an IPv6 address O_o [21:08:51] ah ipv6! [21:09:01] ^ [21:10:22] not new i think [21:12:50] There are plenty [21:58:06] apergos: ping [21:58:54] Vito: half-pong [21:59:01] (it's 1 am, I'm not really here) [21:59:19] did you change your timezone? :O [21:59:48] not any time recently, no [22:00:10] oh wait I forgot there's a timezone-edge between us [22:00:18] heh [22:00:38] so, a member of the research center of an Italian ISP [22:00:41] (a big one) [22:00:55] was looking for a copy of all the pictures on commons [22:01:03] they have no bandwith limits [22:01:07] rsync from the mirror [22:01:12] see um [22:01:43] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps#Current_Mirrors [22:01:44] he even told me he can send us many HDDs ^^ [22:01:54] he can grab from there [22:02:13] he should find the right directory via http then use rsync to pull a cop [22:02:15] y [22:02:32] I cannot find commons actually [22:03:06] http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/images/wikipedia/commons/ [22:04:09] gn8 folks [22:04:11] o.O [22:06:30] apergos: and what if they want to host a mirror? [22:06:43] \they contact me [22:06:56] and I tell them how awesome it woul dbe and we work out hte details [22:07:20] that's on that page too [22:07:28] so can I give them your email? [22:07:41] oh I see [22:07:43] sorry :| [22:07:53] I'm on a small screen .__. [22:16:22] no worries [22:16:32] pass them the information and it would be great, thank you! [22:16:56] hey tell them to mention your nick in the email (so I know which institution it is, that's all) [22:17:31] (I keep a running list of who I'm talking to, this way they won't be on it twice, once as them and once as "Vito's contact") [22:17:59] ok :D [22:18:55] anyway apergos it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiscali [22:19:15] ok I will leave that tab open, thanks a lot [22:20:53] apergos I still am thinking of getting chocolates to you :/ [22:21:18] as usual thank you for your kindness apergos! [22:21:40] thank you, this will be great! [22:22:03] ToAruShiroiNeko: chocolates are nice but we have some here so it's really ok :-) [22:22:44] apergos: swiss? maybe paravoid remembers the "swiss" chocolate arguments in bosnia ;) [22:23:03] we get quite a variety actually [22:23:23] some local and some imported [22:26:20] apergos I am at the chocolate capital of the world, I will deliver to you when we happen to be in the same geographic area :/ [22:26:29] I probably will skip on hong kong [22:27:35] νο ρθση [22:27:38] ερ [22:27:41] no rush [22:29:53] !log aaron synchronized wmf-config/swift.php 'deployed 7dc77e431310580da0dbd368b8b290a293e3ee21' [22:29:57] Logged the message, Master [22:30:37] oh, belgium! [22:30:39] indeed [22:30:45] i knew that [22:30:52] jeremyb hah [22:30:53] lies :p [22:30:58] you can deliver them to a greek at fosdem [22:31:06] ;) [22:31:07] no way [22:31:13] I am not trusting anyone with them [22:31:24] well that complicates things [22:31:26] I am in a good mood :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/106304869432049912990/posts/Z8Dr5wUBKAh [22:32:08] oohhh V with greek subs [22:32:15] might get to sleep late tonight :-D [22:32:27] (it's episode 1 season 1) [22:32:34] V? [22:32:51] yeah it's an old series [22:33:19] have you ever watched a movie that's neither greek nor english with greek subtitles? is your greek good enough for that? [22:33:26] hmm this is the 2009 version I guess [22:33:50] I havent seen this version, hope it doesn't suck [22:34:02] I have watched plenty of stuff with greek subs [22:34:11] when I watch english stuff I turn the sound down [22:34:16] (like this show) [22:34:36] but stuff that's not originally in english? [22:34:44] and not dubbed in english [22:34:55] german shows, italian shows, french movies [22:35:03] k [22:35:05] there's lots of stuff on the air here [22:35:27] there's some turkish sort of soap operars but they are a bit too soap opera for me [22:36:09] also the lang is probably more foreign than italian/french/german [22:36:37] ? [22:36:43] turkish [22:36:48] I mean I don't know any italian or whatever either [22:36:49] unless you know that too?! [22:36:50] not a word [22:37:19] huh. well still even just from overlap with english [22:37:21] I actually know the random word of turkish cause it's made it into greek [22:37:26] pretty random words but still [22:37:29] ahhh [22:37:48] between modern Greek and Italian there's the same distance between Italian and Tukish, or Greek and Turkish [22:38:01] well when I'm watching a foreign movie with greek subs I am relying entirely on the subs. 100% [22:38:09] well, maybe Greek and Turkish are a bit closer [22:38:13] uh [22:38:15] i didn't realize turkish was related like that. i thought it would be like arabic or chinese [22:38:17] that's a very weird q [22:38:27] so italian and greek are both ie languages [22:38:32] turkish is not [22:38:47] it's all done by affixes I guess or maybe infixes somewhat [22:38:52] yep but I'm dealing with the ability to mutually understand :D [22:39:00] *reciprocally [22:39:08] I have no idea, I don't know either of those two other languages [22:39:18] if someone talks to me in them I understand nothing [22:39:19] :-D [22:39:35] ok show's on, gotta pay some attention :-D [22:39:41] enjoy [22:40:57] bye apergos [22:41:15] see yas