[00:22:38] Good morning all :) Can someone tell me if you've had any complaints about XML in signatures being broken since the upgrade to 1.20 please? [00:25:04] Cat_in_the_Hat, any bug report available? [00:25:26] not that I can see, but I can give you a clear example of the issue, Nemo_bis :) [00:26:04] I am prepping a signature since I changed my wiki username yesterday - it has 2 XML pipe marks for display, the code is here: http://pastebin.com/dWFCrhmc [00:26:37] as soon as I save, you can see the first part of the text, the bold, show up - but it breaks as soon as it hits the XML code for a pipe mark, | [00:27:14] The error I get is: Invalid raw signature: Check HTML tags [00:27:18] there's no HTML in it :) [00:28:33] brb [00:32:54] back - any thoughts? I'm stuck in prefs at the moment with a busted signature :( [00:34:06] Sorry, I'm not able to help. If you really feel it should work, file a bug on bugzilla.wikimedia.org [00:34:38] the page in Special:Preferences says it should work :) [00:34:49] I'm just building based on what that specifies [00:35:04] "Also, if you are going to use a displayed pipe ("|") character (i.e. not part of a piped link), please use | for the pipe character; it can otherwise cause templates to fail." [00:35:45] I'll file a bug on it then, and see where we go :) [00:36:05] that advice looks en.wiki-specific [00:36:51] yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tog-fancysig [00:37:48] Cat_in_the_Hat: would be a good idea to not call that XML [00:38:32] jeremyb, I had it in my previous signature and it worked fine [00:38:47] i only deleted it 45 minutes ago [00:39:13] i don't care. if you say that it's "XML" no one will have a clue what you mean. or they'll think you mean something else than what you do [00:39:28] you can call them XML/HTML entity references or numeric char refs [00:39:44] oh, so it's not only me :) [00:39:58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeric_character_reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references [00:40:26] well whatever, it says it should work, it doesn't :) [00:40:41] it could very well be intentional [00:40:45] that's en.wiki fault [00:40:56] as Nemo_bis pointed out the msg is... yeah, he just did again ;) [00:41:16] you should ask on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Tog-fancysig to correct the advice (in the meanwhile or forever) [00:41:43] maybe {{!}} is better, or the CSS trick now used for categories, or just avoiding pipe, or fixing it only when it creates problems, etc. [00:42:00] Well what's mystifying me is how it's broken in the space of three quarters of an hour :P [00:42:20] I had it, others had it, and now it's borked [00:42:28] checked the SAL? [00:42:38] no recent changes there [00:42:52] I have no idea what the SAL is, jeremyb [00:42:59] !SAL [00:43:11] hrmm, wm-bot is here [00:43:18] but not speaking [00:43:47] Cat_in_the_Hat: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log [00:44:01] Cat_in_the_Hat: anyway, as I said, nothing recent [00:45:34] I've tried some of the other stuff, the {{!}} and {{pipe}}, Nemo_bis - no joy there either. [00:45:50] Still says it's broken. I just wanted something to break the signature up [00:46:29] actually... a thought just occurred to me. I could just around the pipe marks, couldn't i? :) [00:47:06] Cat_in_the_Hat: where'd you come up with | ? [00:47:59] Under the signature section, first page of user preferences [00:48:03] "Also, if you are going to use a displayed pipe ("|") character (i.e. not part of a piped link), please use | for the pipe character; it can otherwise cause templates to fail." [00:49:59] even using nowiki tags around the pipe marks doesn't work. [00:50:25] I produced my old signature pre-1.20, maybe that's why it was working [00:53:25] I'm sorry, I think something is properly wrong. [00:54:04] Even without the pipe marks, or the code number thingies, just pure wiki markup and having the "treat the above as wiki markup" checked, the signature will still not save [00:56:21] Nemo_bis, jeremyb - ignore me - I found the problem :) [00:56:27] what? [00:57:00] If you look at that paste, you will see I put an ampersand and an exclamation mark in the wikilinks to my userpage - when I took those out, the code went through [00:57:18] it was trying to treat them as displayed, I think [00:57:32] the code numbers for the pipe marks are working now [00:58:33] ermmm... ok [00:58:41] so, what's the deal with the 45 mins then? [00:59:40] I had deleted my signature (the old one) and spent 45 minutes trying to get the code for the new one to work by fiddling with it and trying to figure out what the heck was wrong [01:00:13] I was using the same things I'd had in the old one, only formatted slightly differently (2 pipe marks instead of 1, etc) [01:00:28] ok, so the 45 mins thing was inaccurate [01:01:25] parav oid's new per project stuff can't come soon enough! [01:01:48] ah, yes it was. I think I got confused. It was 45 minutes before I asked for help, and another 20 or so with people trying to help [01:01:57] gah, ww [01:02:44] Anyway, all sorted now, so I can stop bothering you :) Sorry to have been a pain in the arse, I know it's not appreciated always. [01:02:52] Cat_in_the_Hat: it was implied (i think) that the same thing worked 45 mins earlier. and of course that turned out not to be the case [01:03:08] It worked about an hour and ten minutes earlier [01:03:08] anyway, whatever! [01:03:46] where's the rest of the seuss chars? [01:04:43] No idea, I just liked this one and the Things, Been a big fan of the Cat in the Hat since I was about 5 [01:10:35] anyhow, I'm off to bed, thanks again, and sorry to have been a nuisance. [01:10:38] night [01:49:55] /wii woosters [01:50:40] heh [01:50:52] oops :P [01:50:55] /ver Thehelpfulone [01:51:23] /time jeremyb [01:52:16] hm, my client supports /say /something ... saves you the special chars/spaces ;) [01:52:35] T3rminat0r: or just "/ /ver Thehelpfulone" [01:52:38] T3rminat0r: it was not intentional :P [01:52:46] or "//ver Thehelpfulone" depending on client [01:52:55] i just was trying to copy Thehelpfulone more closely ;P [01:53:03] :P [01:53:18] / /bla gets evaluated here ... same for //bla [01:53:38] you're saying neither works? [01:53:49] oh, mIRC [01:53:53] no idea [01:53:55] neither puts the stuff in the chat ;) [01:54:02] sa I said, /say works ;) [01:54:32] /quit and /part sit on a tree, /part leaves, who's left ... ;) [02:00:06] !log LocalisationUpdate failed: git pull of extensions failed [02:00:17] Logged the message, Master [02:17:16] * Hazard-SJ goes to Bugzilla [12:13:22] hi, folks. Does anyone know what the standard disk size is on the WMF servers? [12:14:59] abartov: 3.5 inch, I guess :P [12:15:49] * abartov was hoping for a serious answer [12:16:18] abartov: Do you mean the web servers? [12:16:46] Yes. Hard disk capacity on the Web servers. [12:17:00] There are different types of server [12:17:11] There are caches, there are database servers, there are upload servers [12:17:20] Wait, maybe the guy who asked me meant the DB server. That would make more sense, I guess. [12:17:24] abartov: RobH knows by heart [12:17:31] I don't know how much disk space any of them have, but different ones might have different amounts [12:17:31] Ah ok, AFAIK those are pretty bad organized so there are different sizes and maybe even different file layouts... [12:17:32] abartov: have you checked http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers ? [12:17:59] e.g http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_budget/2007/Q1/hardware/purchase_1&oldid=545423 [12:20:29] abartov: ganglia.wikimedia.org can be useful to check capacity [12:22:49] saper: I couldn't find it on ganglia, only memory [12:25:56] st47: http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/graph_all_periods.php?c=MySQL%20pmtpa&h=db53.pmtpa.wmnet&v=1559.937&m=disk_total&r=hour&z=default&jr=&js=&st=1336307116&vl=GB&ti=Total%20Disk%20Space&z=large available per-host, no summary I think [12:26:03] ah ha [12:26:28] valhallasw, if you even vaguely think those pages might be still relevant there's something wrong, isn't there a clear disclaimer? [12:39:04] Nemo_bis: I'm so sorry for being helpful. Won't do it again. [12:39:37] giving people a starting point to find more information [12:39:48] clearly a bad idea. [12:40:15] ditto [12:40:25] thanks, everyone! [12:40:29] * Nemo_bis was trying to ask how to improve those pages [12:41:11] all wiki sites on the servers are outdated, as far as I can see [12:41:32] but they can be good enough to get an overview of - at least - how things were [16:25:51] Hey can I have copies of wikipedia's /etc/shadow files? [16:26:49] I'm told you guys are pretty open about your setup :) [16:28:14] Okay, stupid question, but is search still Lucene-based now it's been upgraded, or did we swtich to some other backend as part of that? [16:30:35] ragecore, why not? [16:30:43] I don't think the actual passwords are there [16:31:02] awesome :) [17:33:02] notpeter, perhaps? [17:28] Okay, stupid question, but is search still Lucene-based now it's been upgraded, or did we swtich to some other backend as part of that? [18:33:31] db45 looks dead for me [18:35:21] DaBPunkt: schema migration in progress? [18:36:33] saper: nothing in the server-admin-log AFAIS [18:49:44] DaBPunkt: I saw something on the wikitech-l I think [21:54:17] http://www.pastie.org/3867284 , wikimedia.org mentioned [21:59:03] hundfred: what's the point? the use of markmonitor is well known publicly and is visible in the WHOIS record. (or at least the one i just checked) [21:59:06] $ whois wikimedia.org | fgrep -i markmon [21:59:09] Sponsoring Registrar:MarkMonitor Inc. (R37-LROR) [22:01:57] seems like the registrar [22:02:24] they probably switched there after leaving GoDaddy [22:02:50] yes. iirc markmonitor was explicitly mentioned in a press release [22:03:23] jeremyb: i didn't know that. [22:03:27] although if it's really such "bad beast" as claimed there, it might not have been an appropiate move [22:03:52] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:MarkMonitor [22:04:10] Whereas the Trademark Committee is responsible for managing domain names and recommends that Foundation transfer its portfolio of domain names to MarkMonitor; It is hereby resolved that: The Board approves the contract between MarkMonitor and the Foundation for the management of the Foundation's domain names. [22:17:14] gn8 folks [23:00:27] Hey can I have copies of wikipedia's /etc/shadow files? [23:00:32] I'm told you guys are pretty open about your setup :) [23:01:38] ragecore: i think we tend to use keys rather than passwords [23:01:47] I know [23:02:03] I just figured that you guys being open and whatever [23:02:23] if you'd grant a request for the /etc/shadow files on the machines [23:07:21] Why do you need access to encrypted passwords? [23:08:13] Heh at your vhost: --- [ragecore] (mepholic@i.will.always.get.root.pm) [23:08:14] :3 [23:08:39] wat [23:08:59] that is completely irrelevant to this conversation [23:09:26] Not really considering your question. [23:10:03] ragecore: Yes! we will really give you the access codes to the servers! [23:10:17] really? [23:10:18] [23:10:24] omg!!!!!!!!! [23:10:40] they are encrypted [23:10:59] ragecore: here you are: http://dpaste.com/743937/plain/ [23:11:05] and i believe that wikimedia has a stringent enought passwotd file [23:11:13] er [23:11:19] password policy* [23:12:14] jeremyb: incorrect [23:12:15] D: [23:14:56] jeremyb: if wikimedia uses key only auth, then what harm could come from revealing the actual /etc/shadow file? [23:15:08] ragecore: that's the whole file [23:15:29] i respectfully request that you reveal the actual /etc/shadow file [23:20:34] jeremyb: can I at least get copies of your public ssh login keys? [23:21:16] ragecore: sure, go ahead. `ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048` [23:25:06] : [23:25:08] :|