[01:46:01] <DaBPunkt>	 gn8 folks
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[05:12:47] <Pine>	 Does anyone know when the visual editor will go live on EN?
[05:22:16] <jeremyb>	 Pine: you might want to check wikitext-l archives
[05:22:51] <Pine>	 jeremyb: ok, where can I find them?
[05:22:55] <jeremyb>	 Pine: or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor#Status
[05:23:18] <Pine>	 thanks
[05:24:05] <jeremyb>	 Pine: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitext-l/ of course ;-) (linked from https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitext-l which is linked from https://lists.wikimedia.org/)
[05:24:44] <jeremyb>	 Pine: also, try the test sandbox
[05:25:00] <Pine>	 jeremyb: thanks, the list doesn't say much recently about it
[05:25:11] <jeremyb>	 Pine: the wiki page is pretty recent
[05:25:22] <Pine>	 Yeah, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor#Status is good enough for my purposes. Thanks
[05:25:45] <jeremyb>	 longer version: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor/status
[05:26:20] <jeremyb>	 Pine: are you a tree?
[05:27:17] * Pine  leaves rustle

[07:04:03] <matthewrbowker>	 Holy... cow...
[07:30:38] <LA2>	 hej allihopa!
[07:35:11] <LA2>	 why are download URLs for images on Commons of the form upload.../d/df/<FILENAME>  ?
[07:35:39] <LA2>	 can the c/c6/ and d/df/ be calculated easily?
[08:07:54] <Beau_>	 you can ask api to provide the url of image
[08:08:42] <apergos>	 they can be calculated easily, actually
[08:10:05] <apergos>	 if the name is provided with spaces converted to underscores, then: 
[08:10:10] <apergos>	         hashpath = getHashPathForLevel(fname,2)  
[08:10:18] <apergos>	 def getHashPathForLevel( name, levels ):
[08:10:35] <apergos>	         summer = hashlib.md5()
[08:10:35] <apergos>	         summer.update( name )
[08:10:36] <apergos>	         md5Hash = summer.hexdigest()        
[08:10:50] <apergos>	         path = ''
[08:10:50] <apergos>	         for i in range( 1,levels+1 ):
[08:10:51] <apergos>	             path = path + md5Hash[0:i] + '/'
[08:10:51] <apergos>	         return path
[08:11:12] <apergos>	 that's all there is too it.
[08:11:13] <apergos>	 *to
[08:12:48] <apergos>	 the urls include hashes because we have millions of images, and millions of images in one directory = impossibly slow for a server to retrieve
[08:26:13] <LA2>	 but the calculation could be made by the server, e.g. .htaccess
[08:26:38] <LA2>	 Wikipedia has millions of articles, named e.g. .../Sweden
[08:26:59] <apergos>	 the article texts aren't stores as flat files in a directory
[08:27:17] <LA2>	 I, the user, doesn't know that
[08:27:23] <apergos>	 they live in databases that are built to handle millions of rows (withcareful indexing, particular atention to query structure, etc)
[08:27:40] <apergos>	 they question was why the urls are like this; 
[08:27:47] <apergos>	 so I was answering the question
[08:27:55] <LA2>	 well, yes and no
[08:28:24] <apergos>	 you asked why the urls are of form x/y/filename ... this is why
[08:28:27] <LA2>	 of course there can be hashes and filesystems involved. But that doesn't imply some of the hash structure should be exposed in external URLs
[08:29:02] <LA2>	 is there a good reason to expose the hashes in the URLs? Or was that just the way it happened?
[08:29:19] <p858snake|l>	 LA2: If we didn't have hashes in the filenames, there would be extra processing time, and we do have files that have duplicate names thus presenting clashes
[08:29:41] <apergos>	 a duplcate name will mean the same file
[08:30:05] <LA2>	 for all files, transfer time (1 second for 1 Mbyte at 8 Mbit/s) far exceeds that processing time
[08:30:05] <apergos>	 a file with the same name on multiplle projects is of course stored in a separate area per project
[08:31:20] <apergos>	 we didn't have a lot of people clamoring for simplified urls at the time, I guess; a two level hash only adds about 4 characters to the url 
[08:33:02] <LA2>	 yes, but 4 characters that make it impossible to do: for f in 1 2 3 4 ; do wget .../file_$f.jpg ; done
[08:33:48] <apergos>	 you just have to add 3-4 lines to that script
[08:34:49] <LA2>	 it's not a script, it's what I occasionally type at the command line
[08:35:15] <apergos>	 time to make it one I guess
[08:35:41] <LA2>	 and put it on the server?
[08:36:34] <LA2>	 if URL doesn't match [a-z]/[a-z][a-z]/ then pass URL through script, that calculates the hash
[08:38:13] <apergos>	 no
[08:38:23] <apergos>	 we wouldn't put it on the server(s)
[08:38:49] <apergos>	 time for *you* to make a script :-P
[14:22:28] <sDrewth>	 Gday to anyone who is awake.  In trying to delete a file, there has twice been the error ... Error deleting file: A non-identical file already exists at mwstore://local-backend/local-deleted/9/s/5/9s5e0ypsw2y72d5emu4extzuut8slsc.jpg. 
[14:22:56] <sDrewth>	 is this immediately fixable, or should it progress through a bugzilla?
[14:24:27] <sDrewth>	 the error has occurred for two different deletors
[14:30:35] <apergos>	 I don't know so I would recommend bugzilla
[15:23:58] <Romaine>	 an old bug is re-appearring again! https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31577
[15:24:01] <Romaine>	 (nl-wiki)
[15:24:04] <Romaine>	 together with: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31576
[15:30:26] <Romaine>	 category should be empty now: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Wikipedia:Beginnetje_nog_niet_onderverdeeld
[15:33:04] <Romaine>	 category should be empty too: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Wikipedia:Pagina%27s_met_ontbrekende_references
[15:33:15] <Romaine>	 cause magic words/ parserfunctions malfunctioning
[15:45:05] <Platonides>	 sDrewth, it's good it gave you such error
[15:45:14] <Platonides>	 otherwise, the deletion would have produced data loss
[15:45:40] <Platonides>	 which files were them?
[15:47:25] <sDrewth>	 just the one
[15:47:32] <sDrewth>	 the one in the subject line
[15:47:42] <sDrewth>	 oh duh
[15:47:45] <sDrewth>	 I did a bugzilla
[15:48:23] <sDrewth>	 <wikibugs> (NEW) Deletion fails https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Jennifer_Nettles_in_David_Meister.jpg&action=delete - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34959 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (billinghurst)
[15:56:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 billing?
[16:38:50] <v_a>	 hi
[16:39:34] <v_a>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34412
[16:40:22] <v_a>	 When is it processed? 
[16:47:19] <v_a>	 Nobody does? 
[16:48:20] <v_a>	 It can do, if it is whom? 
[16:57:00] <v_a>	 Is it futility as bugzilla is requested? If it is right, don't let me request by bugzilla. It will do, if it says whom? 
[17:00:01] <saraxue>	 hi
[17:12:16] <saraxue>	 hi,there
[17:52:59] <gabe_g>	 Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place to report this, but I just tried to scrape data from wikipedia two different ways and got similar errors, telling me that I can report the error to Wikimedia System Administrators
[17:53:31] <gabe_g>	 And I quote: "If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. Request: GET http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_names, from 24.12.9.161 via sq75.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to  () Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED, errno [No Error] at Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:35:14 GMT "
[17:53:55] <gabe_g>	 And, similarly: " If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below.  Request: GET http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_names, from 50.16.131.104 via sq72.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to ()  Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED, errno [No Error] at Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:37:44 GMT"
[17:54:32] <gabe_g>	 Perhaps this is irrelevant, but the first one used the datasciencetoolkit and the second used the asciinator (http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/html2text/)
[17:55:15] <gabe_g>	 Is this the right place to report this error? Or should I report it elsewhere? -- THanks
[18:08:53] <hashar>	 gabe_g: the user-agents are banned
[18:11:49] <hashar>	 gabe_g: to make it a bit clearer. You have to use a different user-agent with some easy way to identify you in case the bot get mad :-)
[18:12:00] <hashar>	 gabe_g:  something like  freenode/gabe_g  would probably do it
[18:19:27] <gabe_g>	 Has anyone seen this before? "Wikimedia Foundation Error Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please  try again in a few minutes. If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. Request: GET http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_names, from 24.12.9.161 via sq74.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to  () Error
[18:26:54] <Reedy>	 gabe_g: did you attempt to try what hashar suggested?
[18:27:07] <Reedy>	 Oh, different error
[18:27:43] <Reedy>	 gabe_g: in that for, you're doing weird redirecting queries
[18:27:59] <Reedy>	 At least use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_names
[18:37:33] <gabe_g>	 Thanks Reedy and hashar
[18:38:00] <gabe_g>	 Reedy, when I use "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_names" I get the same error
[18:38:18] <Reedy>	 Does it actually give an error code?
[18:38:40] <gabe_g>	 No, just "Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_names, from 208.80.154.9 via cp1002.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to ()  Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED, errno [No Error] at Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:37:47 GMT"
[18:39:00] <gabe_g>	 I didn't understand what Hashar was saying--
[18:39:05] <Reedy>	 Well, that shows more information with the ERR-ACCESS-DENIED
[18:39:23] <Reedy>	 What are you trying to use to access Wikipedia?
[18:39:41] <gabe_g>	 I've tried two things and gotten similar errors. They are both meant to scrape text from html.
[18:39:52] * Reedy  barfs

[18:39:54] <gabe_g>	 The asciinator (http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/html2text/)
[18:40:09] <gabe_g>	 and the data science toolkit
[18:40:11] * ToAruShiroiNeko  wonders who cleans-up after the ReedyOne

[18:40:21] <gabe_g>	 Reedy, why did that make you barf?
[18:40:35] <Reedy>	 Screen scraping
[18:40:36] <gabe_g>	 gabe_g apologizes for making Reedy sick
[18:40:45] <gabe_g>	 also apologizes for the mess on the floor
[18:40:48] <gabe_g>	 and for his ignorance
[18:40:59] <gabe_g>	 I want to get a list of biblical names
[18:41:03] <gabe_g>	 perhaps I'm being stupid
[18:41:10] <gabe_g>	 but it was the first way I thought of
[18:41:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 there is no such thing as a stupid question, until you ask it :)
[18:41:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 :p
[18:41:50] <gabe_g>	 Ok, so is what I am trying to do discouraged?
[18:41:57] <gabe_g>	 Or is it just 'in bad taste' ?
[18:42:13] <gabe_g>	 And is there a better way or a way to make it work.
[18:42:58] <Reedy>	 It's somewhat bad taste
[18:43:23] <gabe_g>	 Ok. is there a more elegant solution?
[18:43:24] <Reedy>	 Depending on what you're actually trying to do
[18:43:25] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_names?action=raw
[18:44:17] <gabe_g>	 ?
[18:44:57] <gabe_g>	 Ok, that downloades the text from that page, but I want to do it for each of the.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_names_starting_with_A
[18:45:05] <gabe_g>	 for each letter of the alphabet
[18:45:31] <gabe_g>	 Ok, I think I got what you're saying.
[18:45:40] <gabe_g>	 Sorry--as is obvious I'm sure, I'm quite noo
[18:46:22] <gabe_g>	 So now I need to go through each of those letters....using curl?
[18:46:24] <gabe_g>	 perhaps?
[18:47:35] <gabe_g>	 And, also, do you know why my previous attempts using those ready-made tools didn't work?
[18:47:48] <gabe_g>	 is it because there is some specific protocol that they are not following or...?
[18:48:56] <gabe_g>	 By the way--thanks Reedy for the direction
[18:53:10] <gabe_g>	 Bye
[19:44:13] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34690 - Changing the name in the title bar to Assamese'
[19:44:18] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[19:48:24] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34931 - Add namespaces aliases on as.wikipedia.org'
[19:48:28] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[19:53:12] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34867 - Switch Sango wiktionary logo'
[19:53:15] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:01:50] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34766 - Logo of Sanskrit Wikisource'
[20:01:53] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:08:08] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34618 - Install MoodBar on fr.wikisource'
[20:08:11] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:12:28] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Variablise moodbarconfig infoUrl'
[20:12:31] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:14:33] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php  'Variablise moodbarconfig infoUrl'
[20:14:36] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:25:03] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Create wmgMoodBarCutoffTime'
[20:25:07] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:25:45] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php  'wmgMoodBarCutoffTime'
[20:25:48] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:29:38] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34694 - Install the Quiz extension on de.wikibooks'
[20:29:41] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:31:15] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34715 - Please modify the import sources for the Spanish Wikiversity'
[20:31:18] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[20:42:44] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34567 - New logo for Arabic Wiktionary'
[20:42:47] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[21:02:50] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'Bug 34897 - Enable Special:Import on Catalan wikisource'
[21:02:53] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[21:41:22] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/  'Bug 32726 - Set =true for Commons'
[21:41:25] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[21:42:23] <Romaine>	 saving page gives blank screen
[21:42:28] <Romaine>	 nl-wikt
[21:42:41] <multichill>	 nlwp/enwp/commons all 500 errors
[21:42:44] <Romaine>	 everything gives blank pages
[21:43:13] <Qcoder00>	 Are you doing some mantinence?
[21:43:18] <Qcoder00>	 I'm getting blank pages..
[21:43:23] <Qcoder00>	 Not even an error
[21:43:23] <basile>	 not planned afaik
[21:43:30] <multichill>	 Let the stampede begin
[21:43:40] <Nikerabbit>	 [23:39:43] +logmsgbot> !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/  'Bug 32726 - Set =true for Commons'
[21:44:00] <Nikerabbit>	 I assume Reedy is already fixing it
[21:44:24] <Reedy>	 let's see
[21:44:58] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'fix .'
[21:45:01] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[21:45:39] <basile>	 thanks Reedy
[21:45:54] <MaxSem>	 syntax error?
[21:45:59] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages - shows blank for me
[21:46:04] <Qcoder00>	 It's not giving an error
[21:46:11] <kaldari>	 working for me now
[21:46:11] <Qcoder00>	 it's just not giving a page
[21:46:39] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: apparently sync-dir doesn't syntax check, sync-file and scap do
[21:46:47] <multichill>	 Reedy: Hehe, you crashed all sites because of a php syntax error? LOL :-)
[21:47:07] <Reedy>	 Not the first time ;)
[21:47:21] <Qcoder00>	 Working again
[21:47:24] <Qcoder00>	 What broke?
[21:47:30] <Nikerabbit>	 everything
[21:47:59] * Qcoder00  wonders if wiki dev do patching on the productions erver ;)

[21:48:24] <Jarry1250>	 I was worried for 3 minutes there that I might have to get a life temporarily.
[21:48:36] <Jarry1250>	 I was basically staring into the blank white screen abyss.
[21:48:43] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/  'Bug 32726 - Set =true for Commons'
[21:48:46] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[21:48:49] <Romaine>	 getting a life, how was it then before the internet came up?
[21:49:20] <Jarry1250>	 Don't ask me, too young :P
[21:52:05] <Danny_B|backup>	 there should be some hook to check the syntax before syncing the changes
[21:52:11] <Qcoder00>	 :O
[21:52:17] <Qcoder00>	 There isn't already?
[23:36:51] <jeblad>	 Hi, seems like something strange is going on... much of *.com just went dead from Norway.. Are you there USA?
[23:37:12] <jeblad>	 *.org is also missing, *.net is up
[23:38:41] <jeblad>	 Have the bots finally taken control? Kill Cyberdyne Systems! o_O
[23:41:42] <DaBPunkt>	 HardDisk_WP: de.wikipedia.ORG is still working from germany
[23:45:06] <Nemo_bis>	 IA disk space http://www.archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/df.html
[23:45:12] <DaBPunkt>	 HardDisk_WP: sorry, wrong key
[23:46:25] <DaBPunkt>	 Nemo_bis: maybe somebody deleted his/her old porn?
[23:46:52] <Nemo_bis>	 DaBPunkt, no, they added 200 TB a few days ago
[23:47:44] <jeblad>	 Unless something weird is gong on from Norway there are massive routing problems
[23:51:02] <DaBPunkt>	 gn8 folks
[23:52:33] <jeremyb>	 jeblad: so, are you sure it's routing and not just DNS?
[23:52:43] <jeremyb>	 jeblad: have you tried alternate NS?
[23:54:02] <jeblad>	 I can't get a reply from dns servers outside Norway it seems..
[23:54:17] <jeremyb>	 jeblad: did you try 8.8.8.8 ?
[23:54:33] <Joan>	 <logmsgbot> !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/  'Bug 32726 - Set =true for Commons'
[23:54:36] <Joan>	 Heh.
[23:54:38] <Joan>	 $variable replacmeent?
[23:54:41] <Joan>	 replacement
[23:54:51] <Reedy>	 Yup
[23:54:52] <Reedy>	 lol
[23:54:53] <jeblad>	 I'm not sure what it is, the cellphone works.. nothing else, but I can get to some norwegian newspapers
[23:55:15] <Joan>	 After 30 years, you'd think there'd be something a bit smarter in use...
[23:55:54] <Saibo>	 for all who want to click a link ;) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32726
[23:56:39] <Saibo>	 yeay, works
[23:57:04] <Saibo>	 now Extension:Babel is nearly as good as the good old templates ;)
[23:57:09] <jeremyb>	 jeblad: can you see http://dpaste.com/711614/plain/ ?
[23:57:43] <jeblad>	 nope
[23:58:58] <jeblad>	 all lookup on google.com fails
[23:59:05] <jeremyb>	 jeblad: linux ?
[23:59:12] <jeblad>	 yes