[17:03:17] <greg-g>	 we haven't started yet, right?
[17:04:04] <ebernhardson>	 greg-g: afaict no ... but i don't really have more information than an empty youtube
[17:04:08] <bd808>	 greg-g: nope. I'm in the hangout and the room is pretty empty
[17:04:32] <greg-g>	 says "Waiting for MediaWiki" on the stream :)
[17:04:51] <bd808>	 I see toby and victoria on camera now, but it looks like things are still setting up
[17:05:29] <bd808>	 lots of room in the hangout for WMF staff who want to join
[17:05:37] <bd808>	 room starting now
[17:05:48] <greg-g>	 I hear it!
[17:06:01] <greg-g>	 21 people on the stream
[17:06:04] <greg-g>	 er, 12 now
[17:06:06] <greg-g>	 heh
[17:06:55] <rfarrand>	 hi everyone!
[17:07:07] <bd808>	 o/ rfarrand
[17:07:12] <greg-g>	 rfarrand!
[17:07:13] <Zppix>	 o/
[17:07:28] <srish_aka_tux>	 hello everyone!
[17:07:36] <rfarrand>	 what is "the tricky situation" ?
[17:07:44] <Zppix>	 Board candiates rfarrand
[17:07:53] <rfarrand>	 thanks
[17:08:04] <greg-g>	 rfarrand: "Turkey" not "tricky" :)
[17:09:02] <rfarrand>	 oh! hah! :)
[17:10:43] <Zppix>	 oh turkey.... the turkey (internet authority (i believe)) blocked all wikipedias and other wmf projects
[17:10:49] <Zppix>	 ^^ rfarrand
[17:11:15] <rfarrand>	 yeah, I know about that. I just thought he said "tricky"
[17:11:17] <rfarrand>	 thanks!
[17:11:55] <bd808>	 Its tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time. It's tricky
[17:12:34] <rfarrand>	 saying "i can not comment on the tricky situation" makes me very curious
[17:12:58] <apergos>	 I missed the intro, can someone give me a quick catchup? (sorry)
[17:15:15] <anomie>	 Did Toby say we had the documentation on Friday? I thought the documentation day was on the 12th.
[17:15:26] <srish_aka_tux>	 Hello apergos, This talk is a follow-up of the Wikimedia Developer Summit session and is addressing the next set of questions gathered via a voting survey for the summit. The first two questions addressed so far are: For WMF dev teams, what is the right balance between pushing own work versus seeking and supporting volunteer contributors? Do we have a plan
[17:15:26] <srish_aka_tux>	 to bring our developer documentation to the level of a top Internet website, a major free software project?
[17:15:27] <Niharika>	 anomie: Yeah, he made a mistake.
[17:15:57] <apergos>	 ok, thank you very much
[17:16:09] <rfarrand>	 no, sorry! I just missheard you in the begining. No need to explain :)
[17:16:15] <bd808>	 anomie: there was an event on last Thursday evening in SF that was documentation oriented too
[17:16:31] <bd808>	 a WriteTheDocs meetup in the WMF SF office
[17:17:05] <Niharika>	 Ah, right.
[17:17:57] <quiddity>	 last Thursday's event: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162948 and this Friday's event: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Documentation_Day_2017
[17:24:09] <brendan_campbell>	 Part 1 from the Dev Summit for those who missed it: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_Technology_and_Product_Q%26A.webm
[17:25:23] <ebernhardson>	 i'd like to see the info about half of core commits from outside. Not saying its wrong, but it doesn't seem that way
[17:26:02] <bd808>	 ebernhardson: I think that estimate takes all prod deployed extensions into consideration, but I don't have details.
[17:27:23] <Zppix>	 I feel as if WMF development is under-advertised and users usually have to seek it out to learn how to start volunteer development...
[17:27:38] <Zppix>	 how could this be addressed?\
[17:28:28] <ebernhardson>	 Zppix: i feel like thats the same with anything though, i have contributed to various open source projects as part of my work here, but there is almost never clear documentation about it you mostly work something out and sent a pull request
[17:28:41] <tgr>	 ebernhardson: for mw core it's closer to two thirds
[17:28:43] <tgr>	 https://wikimedia.biterg.io:443/goto/3f786dd9c56620509613aa99d18de36b
[17:29:08] <brion>	 <3 embrace community :D
[17:29:13] <tgr>	 (that data is probably not very reliable thoughÖ
[17:32:54] <ebernhardson>	 tgr: interesting, thanks. I'm trying to figure out from there how it's determining which commit goes in each bucket
[17:33:48] <srish_aka_tux>	 Would anyone like to address any other questions to Toby and Victoria?
[17:37:00] <legoktm>	 I love Yuvi's presentation
[17:37:10] <legoktm>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stealing_some_of_Wikimedia's_Principles_to_Democratize_Programming.webm
[17:37:45] <quiddity>	 +1, it is great.
[17:38:50] <bd808>	 thanks for finding the link legoktm :)
[17:39:09] <legoktm>	 I have it bookmarked :)
[17:40:19] <bd808>	 another good talk on the general subject is https://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2016/05/21/0
[17:41:05] <bd808>	 not directly related but equally awesome is http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/programming-forgetting-new-hacker-ethic/
[17:44:27] <apergos>	 the bot writer is part of both, in my experience.  now whether they are treated as a member of both by other folks (especially if they primarily work on a small project and their bot isn't used by oter folks)...
[17:44:30] <apergos>	 that's another question
[17:45:01] <anirudh24seven>	 A question. In the long term, does WMF try to absorb parts of the community into itself or does it benefit WMF to leave the community as is?
[17:45:48] <bd808>	 I know what my answer to that is: the WMF cannot scale to solve all technical problems. WE *must* have a strong volunteer community
[17:46:24] <Volker_E>	 +1
[17:49:50] <anirudh24seven>	 Thanks
[17:50:42] <srish_aka_tux>	 Thanks everyone for joining us!
[17:51:37] <brion>	 \o/