[01:41:27] <sumanah>	 Coren: ping
[01:42:30] <Coren>	 sumanah: Pong.
[09:05:00] <petan>	 greg-g let me fix it
[09:17:36] <liangent>	 hi petan
[09:19:14] <liangent>	 could you please investigate usage of non-open-source code at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~dgideas/ideasbot/source/wmf_conn/
[09:20:18] <liangent>	 it was once at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~dgideas/ideasbot/source/wmf_s1/ , with a line at footer (c) 20xx <name of a third party> all rights reserved. after I told that user, he moved the page around and removed that footer, but is still using it....
[09:20:40] <legoktm>	 errr
[09:20:48] <legoktm>	 why is someone running a proxy...
[09:20:50] <petan>	 aha
[09:22:53] <petan>	 disabled
[09:22:58] <petan>	 I will try to contact him
[09:23:12] <petan>	 @seenrx gideas
[09:23:12] <wm-bot>	 petan: I have never seen gideas
[09:23:34] <petan>	 @seenrx [Gg]ideas
[09:23:34] <wm-bot>	 petan: Last time I saw DGideas they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: Page closed at 3/30/2013 6:00:01 AM (7.03:23:32.8624630 ago)
[09:23:47] <petan>	 @notify DGideas
[09:23:47] <wm-bot>	 I will notify you, when I see DGideas around here
[09:25:08] <labs-logs-bottie>	 !log bots petrb: disabled /data/project/public_html/dgideas/ideasbot/source because of problems with proprietary code
[09:25:10] <labs-morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[09:28:40] <liangent>	 what does seenrx mean?
[09:29:56] <legoktm>	 it's @seen with regex
[09:30:00] <legoktm>	 @seen liangent 
[09:30:00] <wm-bot>	 legoktm: I have never seen liangent 
[09:30:06] <legoktm>	 ...
[09:30:25] <petan>	 wtf
[09:30:28] <petan>	 @seen liangent
[09:30:28] <wm-bot>	 petan: liangent is in here, right now
[09:30:41] <petan>	 heh
[09:30:49] <petan>	 funny bug
[09:30:59] <petan>	 "liangent " != "liangent"
[09:31:29] <legoktm>	 lol
[09:31:32] <legoktm>	 @seen liangent
[09:31:32] <wm-bot>	 legoktm: liangent is in here, right now
[09:31:32] <liangent>	 @seen ​petan
[09:31:33] <wm-bot>	 liangent: I have never seen ​petan
[09:32:11] <petan>	 go someone fix it prove you are master of c# :D
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[09:32:17] <petan>	 sources ^
[09:32:26] <legoktm>	 isnt it just
[09:32:26] <petan>	 hint: it's in modules/seen
[09:32:28] <legoktm>	 .strip()
[09:32:31] <petan>	 no
[09:32:37] <legoktm>	 no?
[09:32:55] <petan>	 I would myself use either Substring or Trim or something like that
[09:33:34] <petan>	 like while(string.EndsWith(" ")) { string = string.Substring(0, string.Length -1); }
[09:33:37] <legoktm>	 er
[09:33:41] <legoktm>	 right
[09:33:45] <legoktm>	 its called trim in java
[09:33:59] <liangent>	 doesn't c# have similar function?
[09:34:04] <petan>	 yes probably
[09:34:12] <petan>	 I would need to check
[09:34:28] <petan>	 but for some reason I think substring is faster but maybe not
[09:34:46] <petan>	 I guess trim is removing the characters as it reads the string
[09:34:51] <petan>	 which could be faster IMHO
[09:35:16] <petan>	 but Trim probably checks the beginning and end while we are only interested in end
[09:35:24] <petan>	 so this might be few instructions faster
[09:35:50] <petan>	 unless there are several spaces, in that case it is slower
[09:35:52] <liangent>	 I'm don't know about c#'s implementation, but will while(string.EndsWith(" ")) { string = string.Substring(0, string.Length -1); } create some unused string objects?
[09:36:12] <liangent>	 like what may happen in java, if it hasn't been automatically optimized
[09:36:14] <petan>	 yes, it doesn't hurt performace though
[09:36:27] <petan>	 string is immutable
[09:36:40] <petan>	 so everytime you change it you create new object
[09:37:37] <liangent>	 so if you're trimming "petan    " to "petan", some strings like  "petan   "  "petan  "  "petan " are created then GCed soon
[09:37:58] <petan>	 I believe they are GCED as soon as you exit the block which is immediately
[09:38:24] <petan>	 but not sure...
[09:38:28] <liangent>	 (this is not true in java)
[09:38:43] <petan>	 for some reason all my tests with huge loops allocating and disposing large objects didn't eat any memory
[09:38:51] <petan>	 so GC collected these object immediately
[09:38:55] <petan>	 otherwise it wouldn't work
[09:39:17] <petan>	 it is possible that IL code contains even delete
[09:39:21] <petan>	 I don't know
[09:39:30] <petan>	 maybe compiler is so smart
[09:39:35] <liangent>	 ah there's no delete in java AFAIK
[09:39:43] <petan>	 there is no delete in c# either
[09:39:55] <petan>	 but on level of .net assembly there is
[09:40:04] <liangent>	 and that's up to implemetation ... some runtime deletes objects as soon as it loses all references to it
[09:40:06] <petan>	 so binary code might contain it
[09:40:41] <petan>	 in this case the object is allocated and disposed on level of block, so compiler might be smart enough to automatically delete it
[09:41:21] <petan>	 if it was just up to GC to remove these things if you had a very fast while that allocates a lot of memory and immediately remove the reference
[09:41:36] <petan>	 your application would eat lot of ram, then it would be disposed after GC.Collect() ran
[09:41:53] <petan>	 which would make it randomly allocate lot of memory and then dispose it in loop
[09:42:04] <petan>	 that doesn't happen though so there must be some magic :D
[09:42:10] <petan>	 or something
[09:43:18] <petan>	 like i=99999999; while  ( i > 1) {string blah="fdkgofdsgs"; i--;}
[09:43:35] <petan>	 that creates a string and immediately lose the reference
[09:44:15] <petan>	 I should ask on stack..
[09:44:17] <liangent>	 so .. this shouldn't eat even a little more memory
[09:44:27] <liangent>	 "fdkgofdsgs" should leave in the string pool
[09:44:56] <liangent>	 and blah always points to the same object, without creating and deleting
[09:45:22] <liangent>	 s/leave/live
[09:45:40] <liangent>	 see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2486191/java-string-pool
[09:51:16] <petan>	 let me try...
[09:52:46] <liangent>	 I'm not sure whether c# is doing the same thing or not
[09:53:07] <liangent>	 but m$ was copying java for c# initially
[09:58:38] <petan>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15849383/how-does-c-sharp-remove-the-memory-allocated-in-loop
[09:58:55] <petan>	 not detailed answer so far :/
[10:39:08] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Needed Toolserver features was modified, changed by Silke WMDE link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=669401 edit summary: [+624] /* OSM */ added more details to OSM section
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[14:05:03] * Coren  waves.

[14:06:57] <petan>	 hi
[14:08:25] <Darkdadaah>	 Coren: Do you have the time to help me now?
[14:09:00] <Coren>	 If you don't mind waiting 5m for me to fetch coffee, I'd be glad to.  :-)
[14:09:54] <petan>	 Darkdadaah what do you need a help with?
[14:10:33] <Darkdadaah>	 petan: My webpages (php) don't work: http://tools.wmflabs.org/anagrimes/wiktio/anagrimes_web/index.php
[14:11:43] <petan>	 did you look in error log?
[14:12:13] <Darkdadaah>	 php_error.log?
[14:12:25] <petan>	 /var/log/apache2/error.log
[14:12:38] <Darkdadaah>	 No, I did not.
[14:12:50] <petan>	 you should see an error there
[14:13:39] <Darkdadaah>	 There is no /var/log/apache2 directory (I'm on the "tools" project by the way).
[14:13:53] <petan>	 aha sec
[14:14:03] <petan>	 @labs-project-instances tools
[14:14:04] <wm-bot>	 Following instances are in this project: tools-login, tools-puppet-test, tools-webproxy, tools-exec-01, tools-webserver-01, tools-master, tools-db, tools-exec-02, tools-shadow, 
[14:14:17] <petan>	 you need to be on tools-webserver-01
[14:15:33] <Darkdadaah>	 Permission denied :-)
[14:15:56] <petan>	 ok this need to be fixed...
[14:16:49] <petan>	 SoftException in Application.cpp:299: Script "/data/project/anagrimes/public_html/wiktio/anagrimes_web/index.php" resolving to "/data/project/anagrimes/public_html/wiktio/anagrimes_web/index.php" not within configured docroot
[14:16:50] <petan>	 [Sat Apr 06 14:16:25 2013] [error] [client 10.4.1.89] Premature end of script headers: index.php
[14:18:05] <petan>	 Coren we need to change config of php somehow, or change the permissions on these logs
[14:22:05] <petan>	 btw Darkdadaah that is error which is thrown by php on execution of your script
[14:23:42] * Coren  is back.

[14:23:49] <Darkdadaah>	 petan: I get the same error with a file.php with no script at all inside.
[14:24:21] <petan>	 hmm first of all you should be able to read logs
[14:24:29] <petan>	 without that ability the server is nearly unusable
[14:24:40] <Coren>	 petan: I have to package Apache 2.4 so that I have a proper ErrorLogFormat first.  Thankfully, I'll be able to backport raring's.
[14:24:50] <petan>	 ok
[14:31:47] <Coren>	 Darkdadaah: Yeah, so the error isn't that helpful at all.  Can I switch to your tool to see what's up?
[14:32:07] <Darkdadaah>	 Coren: sure.
[14:36:57] <Coren>	 Darkdadaah: Try this.
[14:37:35] <Coren>	 Wasn't a bug of yours, it was a bug of mine.  One thing I hadn't considered when moving old-style tool accounts to new-style ones is that the webserver needed restarting.
[14:37:45] <Darkdadaah>	 Coren: It works.
[14:39:57] <Darkdadaah>	 I did not make the connection, but it does seem to have bugged after the conversion (I did not check right away).
[14:41:03] <Darkdadaah>	 Thanks Coren.
[14:44:55] <Coren>	 No, I'm sorry.  That's something I should have tested.
[14:51:25] <Darkdadaah>	 Coren: Another small bug(?): tools.wmflabs.org/anagrimes should redirect to tools.wmflabs.org/anagrimes/
[14:52:03] <Coren>	 Doesn't it?  That should be easy to fix.  Give me a minute.
[14:54:11] <Coren>	 Ah, it's the "normal" implicit redirection, and that confuses the stylesheet relative paths.  Lemme add an explicit 302
[14:55:14] <Darkdadaah>	 All relative links are confused, yes.
[15:04:00] <wm-bot>	 [bz] (NEW - created by: anubhav, priority: Unprioritized - normal) [Bug 46951] Unable to Create a New Developer Account - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46951
[15:06:35] <Coren>	 Darkdadaah: Fix't
[15:06:47] <Coren>	 Explicit 302 ftw.
[15:07:05] <Darkdadaah>	 Thanks :)
[15:07:32] <Darkdadaah>	 Ah. Oh?
[15:08:39] <Darkdadaah>	 https url is "uncertified" https://tools.wmflabs.org/anagrimes/
[15:15:55] <Coren>	 Darkdadaah: That's because the tools webserver doesn't have the signed certificate yet.  I should probably look into doing so now, actually.
[15:17:52] <Darkdadaah>	 Coren: Please do so when you can :-)
[17:53:45] <wm-bot>	 [bz] (UNCONFIRMED - created by: anyumousse, priority: Unprioritized - normal) [Bug 46959] Lose new account button when changing language - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46959
[18:15:36] <wm-bot>	 [bz] (UNCONFIRMED - created by: testingwithfire, priority: Unprioritized - normal) [Bug 46962] User login on new system with HTTPS everywhere enabled is confusing; HTTPS server apparently down - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46962
[18:17:59] <wm-bot>	 [bz] (UNCONFIRMED - created by: anyumousse, priority: Unprioritized - normal) [Bug 46963] Tools: Special Pages: Login/Create account link goes to old login page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46963
[18:32:58] <wm-bot>	 [bz] (ASSIGNED - created by: testingwithfire, priority: Unprioritized - normal) [Bug 46962] HTTPS link is shown on toro new login form but HTTPS is not supported - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46962
[18:35:36] * Jasper_Deng  really hopes Tool Labs will be more reliable than TS

[18:39:16] <Darkdadaah>	 More stable, yes.
[20:55:38] <wm-bot>	 [bz] (NEW - created by: anubhav, priority: Unprioritized - normal) [Bug 46951] Unable to Create a New Developer Account - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46951