[16:13:08] !log tools.wd-image-positions deployed 6ec61155ed (JS refactoring) [16:13:10] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.wd-image-positions/SAL [20:14:57] !log mailman made mailman-puppetmaster a stand-alone puppetmaster and made mailman-mailman02 a client (T258365 T256536) [20:15:00] Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Mailman/SAL [20:15:01] T258365: Setup Mailman3 in Cloud VPS - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T258365 [20:15:01] T256536: Puppetize mailman3 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256536 [22:53:13] ping Amir1 [22:53:41] Platonides: long! [22:53:45] Pong [22:54:14] figured out it would be faster to annoy you here [22:54:35] so I registered to the mailman3 instance [22:54:44] got Welcome to the "Test" mailing list [22:54:57] "for security purposes, [22:54:57] this password is not included here. If you have forgotten your [22:54:58] password you will need to reset it via the web UI." [22:55:25] weird language for "you don't know your password but I won't tell you it", but ok [22:55:35] so I go to https://lists.wmcloud.org/accounts/password/reset/ [22:55:42] and... "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account" [22:55:49] !?! [23:27:16] Platonides: sorry, please ping me again :( [23:27:34] uh? [23:27:41] I guess you already read it, Amir1 ? [23:27:45] I just saw your message [23:27:52] I'm thinking how it works to respond to you [23:28:35] don't worry, there's no need to fix it right now [23:28:35] I see your email address maybe it's case sensitive? [23:29:14] the registration email included it completely in lowercase [23:29:24] and that's how I am filling it in that form [23:30:07] it's like... erroring at step #1 :P [23:30:19] Platonides: did you create the account from here? [23:30:20] https://lists.wmcloud.org/accounts/signup/?next=/postorius/ [23:30:32] I followed a link on your email [23:30:48] https://lists.wmcloud.org/postorius/lists/test.lists.wmcloud.org/ [23:30:58] hmm [23:31:05] that's a mailing list, not the whole thing [23:31:10] I used the Subscribe form [23:31:26] but shouldn't that have automatically created an account? [23:31:52] this is one the biggest difference between mailman2 and 3, in 2, you don't have concept of "account", you just have passwords but in here, you can have an account for everything [23:32:09] *in 2, you don't have concept... [23:32:16] as far as it is *one* account... [23:32:42] yeah but if we have a couple of mailing lists [23:32:56] well, in 2 they are like individual accounts per ml [23:33:01] this definitely needs clarification [23:33:27] yup, in here, it's different (which is good IMO, I can manage several mailing lists much easier) [23:33:49] I know [23:33:53] or thought I did, at least [23:34:35] I will probably want to help with the project [23:34:53] as I am likely to be doing my own mailman2→mailman3 migration at some point [23:38:09] coooooool [23:38:46] * Platonides should perhaps be concerned by seeing Amir1 so excited [23:38:50] :D [23:39:05] well, you can fix something :P [23:39:09] * Amir1 runs away [23:39:35] like my own subscription ? xD [23:40:07] exim4 is horrible, I hate it and I hate mail in general, why it has to be so complicated :(( just configuration spec (not the manual, not the documentation, just config spec) of exim4 is 700 pages [23:40:23] :( [23:40:42] exim is really scriptable [23:40:53] but perhaps too much for a simple use [23:41:04] otoh, you have sendmail macros, too [23:47:02] Amir1: why is the update to mailman 3.3 ? [23:47:09] I thought it would have been to the buster version [23:47:18] which is currently 3.2.1 [23:48:02] hmm, when I installed it, it was 3.3 maybe I installed something wrong but the minor number doesn't matter [23:48:23] the difference is not big and the upgrade is easy (from 3.2 to 3.3) [23:50:15] no, it's the other way round [23:50:21] buster has 3.2.1 [23:50:32] the proposal is to use 3.3 which is a later version [23:50:55] I added 3.3 :D [23:51:01] I can change it to 3.2 :P [23:51:12] originally it was 3.1 [23:51:22] xD [23:51:38] I just guess the distro supported version would generally be prefered by ops [23:52:02] yeah, I don't want to package and backport just because [23:53:06] you explained it very well :P [23:56:44] I'm disconnecting now [23:57:40] if you can add me to the project, I might start looking around a bit [23:57:44] probably not tomorrow, though