[09:53:52] <arturo>	 !log monitoring increasing project quotas per T228735
[09:53:55] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Monitoring/SAL
[09:53:55] <stashbot>	 T228735: Request increased quota for monitoring Cloud VPS project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228735
[09:55:21] <godog>	 arturo: thank you! <3
[09:55:36] * arturo high-fives godog
[10:12:55] <arturo>	 !log tools reallocating tools-docker-registry-04 from cloudvirt1027 to cloudvirt1028 (T227539)
[10:12:58] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/SAL
[10:12:58] <stashbot>	 T227539: b3-eqiad pdu refresh - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T227539
[10:14:31] <arturo>	 !log tools reallocating tools-puppetmaster-01 from cloudvirt1027 to cloudvirt1028 (T227539)
[10:14:33] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/SAL
[10:15:49] <arturo>	 !log project-proxy reallocating proxy-02 from cloudvirt1027 to cloudvirt1028 (T227539)
[10:15:50] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Project-proxy/SAL
[10:55:02] <hauskatze>	 !log deployment-prep Dry-running extensions/AbuseFilter/maintenance/fixOldLogEntries.php refs. T228655
[10:55:06] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Deployment-prep/SAL
[10:55:06] <stashbot>	 T228655: Dry-run fixOldLogEntries for AbuseFilter - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228655
[12:18:29] <wm-bot>	 !log tools.lexeme-forms <lucaswerkmeister> deployed f0883f1ebc (templates API)
[12:18:31] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.lexeme-forms/SAL
[13:04:29] <wm-bot>	 !log tools.wd-shex-infer <lucaswerkmeister> pip3 install hg+https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/pygments-main#egg=pygments
[13:04:31] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.wd-shex-infer/SAL
[13:07:29] <hauskatze>	 oh mercurial?
[13:22:47] <arturo>	 hauskatze: hey thanks for cleaning up that phab task so quickly :-)
[13:23:08] <hauskatze>	 arturo: which one?
[13:23:24] <arturo>	 T228852
[13:23:25] <stashbot>	 T228852: cloud-vps - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228852
[13:23:33] <hauskatze>	 ah :)
[13:23:51] <hauskatze>	 I banned the guy as well so no more crap tasks from him anymore
[13:24:03] <arturo>	 hauskatze: do you plan to attend wikimania next month BTW?
[13:24:18] <hauskatze>	 arturo: nope. I don't attend public events, never.
[13:24:25] <arturo>	 oh, ok
[13:25:18] <arturo>	 a part of my doesn't like massive public events
[13:25:45] <arturo>	 me* :-P
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[19:02:05] <bstorm_>	 !log toolsbeta doing a clean rebuild of the toolsbeta-test-k8s cluster
[19:02:07] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Toolsbeta/SAL
[20:44:56] <musikanimal>	 could a Toolforge admin start https://tools.wmflabs.org/nppbrowser ? It's been down since the trusty migration. Looking at the code on the file system, I think a simple `webservice start` should work. No PHP 5.6 dependencies or the like
[20:47:21] <jeh>	 musikanimal: I can give it a try
[20:48:19] <bstorm_>	 !log toolsbeta rebuilt toolsbeta-test cluster with the internal version of the pause container T228887 T215531
[20:48:24] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Toolsbeta/SAL
[20:48:24] <stashbot>	 T228887: Update pause container in our internal registry - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228887
[20:48:25] <stashbot>	 T215531: Deploy upgraded Kubernetes to toolsbeta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215531
[20:48:44] <musikanimal>	 jeh: that did it! thank you :)
[20:48:44] <jeh>	 !log nppbrowser start webservice
[20:48:44] <stashbot>	 jeh: Unknown project "nppbrowser"
[20:48:44] <stashbot>	 jeh: Did you mean to say "tools.nppbrowser" instead?
[20:48:54] <jeh>	 !log tools.nppbrowser start webservice
[20:48:55] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.nppbrowser/SAL
[20:49:30] <jeh>	 musikanimal: you're welcome :)
[20:55:00] <bd808>	 musikanimal: can you follow up with [[User:Rentier]] to let them know that the tool appears to be abandoned? I'm not super keen on starting things that were taken down by the grid migration
[20:55:26] <musikanimal>	 sure. They still edit occasionally, but they have not replied to inquiries about this tool
[20:55:45] <bd808>	 probably a sign that someone should put in an adoption request :)
[20:55:46] <musikanimal>	 what's worse, it's actually hosted externally http://139.162.191.26/NPP/public/
[20:56:00] <musikanimal>	 All the Toolforge code does it just load that URL with PHP
[20:56:17] <bd808>	 ugh
[20:56:40] <musikanimal>	 I guess it's okay, IPs get scrubbed on Toolforge so better than going directly to the external site
[20:57:45] <musikanimal>	 so anyway, there currently isn't anything to adopt, so to speak. The source code is not public
[21:05:23] <bd808>	 musikanimal: so... the tool is in violation of the Toolforge TOU
[21:06:17] <bd808>	 at least it seems to be if there is no source under an OSI FOSS license
[21:06:29] <musikanimal>	 evidently!
[21:06:44] <bd808>	 musikanimal: is this tool linked by on-wiki templates? Or just something that you use once in a while?
[21:07:10] <musikanimal>	 I can say people use it, and like it. They've been going to http://139.162.191.26/NPP/public/ ever since the Trusty migration
[21:07:22] <musikanimal>	 it's linked to in a few places
[21:08:40] <musikanimal>	 no templates, it seems https://tools.wmflabs.org/global-search/?q=%22tools.wmflabs.org%2Fnppbrowser%22&namespaces=
[21:09:05] <musikanimal>	 just user talk and a few Wikipedia: pages
[21:11:23] <bd808>	 jeh: did you shut nppbrowser back down?
[21:11:35] <jeh>	 yeah
[21:12:55] <bd808>	 !log tools.nppbrowser Shutdown again after noticing that the tool proxies to an external hosting site and seems to not have public source code or obvious OSI approved licensing
[21:12:57] <stashbot>	 Logged the message at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools.nppbrowser/SAL
[21:13:23] <jeh>	 thanks, was stuck on the wording there :) 
[21:15:37] <bd808>	 musikanimal: does this seem fair? Or am I being unreasonable?
[21:15:56] <musikanimal>	 I mean, it apparently is against the TOU, heh
[21:16:21] <musikanimal>	 I can try to contact them and ask they make the source code public and properly licensed
[21:16:35] <bd808>	 a lot of tools are against TOU, but we don't actively look for them ;)
[21:16:46] <bd808>	 hard to ignore once it comes up though
[21:17:25] <musikanimal>	 at the least, we could put up a notice, "this tool has been shutdown because ... it is hosted externally at ... but you run the risk of it collecting private data", something like that?
[21:18:25] <bd808>	 musikanimal: well... yes that is technically possible
[21:19:07] <musikanimal>	 that way people can still find it, and make their own decision on whether they feel safe using it
[21:20:21] <musikanimal>	 like https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Checklinks
[21:20:35] <bd808>	 the tool took around 200 hits per day before it went down
[21:20:59] <bd808>	 musikanimal: bringing that collection of tools into this discussion won't win me over ;)
[21:21:05] <musikanimal>	 heh
[21:21:30] <musikanimal>	 if NPP Browser had 200 hits per day, it was probably between no more than 5-10 people
[21:21:35] <bd808>	 and that was done by the maintainer, not us
[21:21:41] <musikanimal>	 right
[21:22:19] <bd808>	 musikanimal: let me see if I can easily figure out how much of that 200/day was just web crawlers...
[21:22:38] <musikanimal>	 ha, probably a few
[21:23:08] <musikanimal>	 there's a handful of new page reviewers on enwiki who I know used it. It isn't of much interest beyond that group of users
[21:24:04] <bd808>	 so small audience, unresponsive maintainer, no source/license. Not looking like a good target for any more time/energy
[21:25:20] <musikanimal>	 yes and they know about http://139.162.191.26/NPP/public/
[21:25:50] <bd808>	 134307 total lines in $HOME/access.log going back to July 2017
[21:25:54] <bd808>	 nobody uses this
[21:28:11] <legoktm>	 > Using Wikimedia Cloud Services as a network proxy: Do not use Wikimedia Cloud Services servers or projects to proxy or relay traffic for other servers. Examples of such activities include running Tor nodes, peer-to-peer network services, or VPNs to other networks. In other words, all network connections must originate from or terminate at Wikimedia Cloud Services.
[21:28:44] <bd808>	 yeah... I don't think this really qualifies for the spirit of that rule
[21:29:34] <bd808>	 it could be worded better, but that's really about not using WMCS as a jump/proxy to get around geo or ip blocks
[21:30:30] <bd808>	 we have lots and lots of tools that use some external resource on the back end. The clumsy reverse proxy to a linode VPS is not the issue I'm concerned with
[21:30:54] * legoktm nods
[21:32:25] * bd808 does not like being the Invoker of RULES
[23:08:25] <Cyberpower678>	 bd808: pm?
[23:08:47] <bd808>	 Cyberpower678: yeah, I'm around for a little while longer