[00:01:50] <wikibugs>	 (03PS15) 10Lokal Profil: Restructure missing_commonscat_links [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/380060 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176528)
[00:04:07] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Lokal Profil: "Broke this down in a few commits. But you can diff against patch set 13 to get the real (small) changes since your review" (033 comments) [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/380060 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176528) (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[00:47:14] <wikibugs>	 (03PS6) 10Lokal Profil: Make statistics table for unknown fields [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/390169
[00:48:31] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Make statistics table for unknown fields [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/390169 (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[00:49:08] <wikibugs>	 (03PS3) 10Lokal Profil: Re-factor statistics bit of unused_monument_images [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447109 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176528)
[00:57:13] <wikibugs>	 (03PS7) 10Lokal Profil: Make statistics table for unknown fields [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/390169
[01:07:20] <wikibugs>	 (03PS8) 10Lokal Profil: Make statistics table for unknown fields [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/390169
[08:32:37] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Lokal Profil: Make statistics table for unknown fields (031 comment) [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/390169 (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[08:35:02] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Lokal Profil: Re-factor statistics bit of unused_monument_images (031 comment) [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447109 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176528) (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[08:40:46] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Lokal Profil: Move get_id_from_sort_key to common in preparation for re-use (031 comment) [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447107 (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[11:01:03] <rosco_y>	  *newbie alert*: I'd like to learn wiki syntax using personal wiki software on my windows 10, that is easy to setup and run.  Can anyone recommend software for me?
[12:48:40] <wikibugs>	 (03PS3) 10Ricordisamoa: Merge half-life query into general nuclides query [labs/tools/ptable] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/337251
[13:03:21] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Ricordisamoa: "I'm seeing slight differences in the graph with this patch applied. E.g. Q18845940 changes from "1 - 10 s" to "10^3 - 10^6 s" half-life. T" [labs/tools/ptable] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/337251 (owner: 10Ricordisamoa)
[13:21:43] <Smith609>	 Hi, I'm trying to run PHP5.6 (or 7) on the WMFLabs server, but php -v says that only 5.5.9 is installed
[13:22:12] <Smith609>	 I know that it's possible to run php5.6, which I require for constant arrays, but can't work out how to access it.  Any suggestions are welcome!
[13:22:29] <Smith609>	 !help
[13:22:29] <wm-bot>	 Smith609: If you don't get a response in 15-30 minutes, please create a phabricator task -- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projects=wmcs-team
[13:22:38] <legoktm>	 Smith609: is this for a bot or a webservice tool?
[13:22:47] <Smith609>	 It's for a bot
[13:23:18] <legoktm>	 5.6 is only really available for webservices right now
[13:24:09] <Smith609>	 I wonder whether I've understood what a webservice is
[13:24:20] <Smith609>	 Currently, the bot is accessible via a public_html directory
[13:24:31] <Smith609>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/citations-dev/doibot.html
[13:25:02] <Smith609>	 From memory, I thought that the currently deployed version is already using php 5.6-only functionality. Perhaps I'm wrong
[13:25:27] <legoktm>	 ahhh
[13:25:49] <legoktm>	 one sec
[13:26:11] <legoktm>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web#PHP
[13:26:18] <legoktm>	 so run
[13:26:20] <legoktm>	 $ webservice stop
[13:26:27] <legoktm>	 $ webservice --backend=kubernetes php5.6 start
[13:26:50] <Smith609>	 I'm currently testing the code in a folder that's not inside public_html
[13:27:10] <Smith609>	 It sounds like I should move to within public_html to take advantage of this?
[13:27:27] <legoktm>	 yes
[13:33:20] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Ricordisamoa: "It should be investigated whether a unified query is actually beneficial to the app and/or WDQS vs separate queries which could be made pa" [labs/tools/ptable] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/337251 (owner: 10Ricordisamoa)
[13:34:41] <Smith609>	 Great, thanks I'll give that a shot!
[13:41:58] <Smith609>	 No luck I'm afraid; I've checked out my files to public_html/, restarted the webservice as suggested, and still php -v gives me 5.5.9
[13:43:00] <chicocvenancio>	 Smith609: PHP is running in a different environment then when webservice 
[13:43:40] <chicocvenancio>	 For testing, use `webservice backed=kubernetes php shell`
[13:44:22] <chicocvenancio>	 *use `webservice --backend=kubernetes php shell`
[13:46:36] <Smith609>	 Great, thanks!  Now php -v gives me 5.6... is it possible to use phpunit in this environment?
[13:47:13] <chicocvenancio>	 Not sure, does it give you an error? 
[13:47:30] * chicocvenancio does not use PHP much
[13:47:36] <Smith609>	 bash: phpunit: command not found
[13:48:02] <Reedy>	 Grab the phar
[13:48:38] <Smith609>	 I'm not sure how I'd do that, sorry...
[13:48:52] <Reedy>	 https://phar.phpunit.de/phpunit-5.phar
[13:48:55] <Reedy>	 wget https://phar.phpunit.de/phpunit-5.phar
[13:49:03] <Reedy>	 php phpunit-5.phar path/to/tests.php
[13:49:29] <Smith609>	 wget: command not found 
[13:49:38] <Smith609>	 |-:
[13:51:19] <chicocvenancio>	 wget is not found inside the k8s shell, I presume
[13:51:37] <Smith609>	 I'm guessing not.  Not *nix savvy enough to know if there's an obvious alternative
[13:51:51] <chicocvenancio>	 You can use it from outside it
[13:52:02] <chicocvenancio>	 Directly in the bastion 
[13:52:22] <Smith609>	 How do I get back into the bastion?
[13:52:37] <chicocvenancio>	 That would either mean opening a new session or exiting the k8s shell with `ctrl+d`
[13:53:01] <Smith609>	 Grand, ta.  
[13:54:58] <Smith609>	 Yay! That's done it!
[13:55:05] <Smith609>	 Thanks very much for your suggestions.  Much appreciated!
[14:13:14] <Smith609>	 Is there any way for a script to tell that it is running on WMFlabs?  I'd like it to use a different API key that is valid for toolserver IPs, but note that php's $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] is not set.
[14:14:45] <chicocvenancio>	 Smith609: I'm not sure I understand 
[14:15:15] <chicocvenancio>	 Do you want to use a different api key? Why not just set that in a configuration file? 
[14:16:12] <Smith609>	 That's right.  I'm hosting the code on GitHub and using Travis for continuous integration, so would like to be able to have a single file that provides the appropriate key based on where the script is being run
[14:16:27] <chicocvenancio>	 Beware files are generally world readable by a lot of users, and sometimes publicly accessible. Do make sure to restrict permissions of any files with secrets
[14:16:50] <Smith609>	 The API keys are restricted to pre-specified IP address ranges
[14:17:17] <Smith609>	 (which I'm assuming makes it unproblematic if they are viewable by the public)
[14:17:44] <chicocvenancio>	 Well, if you don't mind someone else using that api as you... 
[14:18:21] <chicocvenancio>	 Because anyone with access to Wikimedia Cloud services will be able to use the api key if it is world readable 
[14:18:46] <chicocvenancio>	 I recommend you leave any file with secrets  to be user readable only
[14:20:04] <chicocvenancio>	 As for the changing keys based on env, it's an interesting approach. But your code has to find  how to differentiate envs
[14:20:34] <Smith609>	 That's the problem.  Travis kindly set an environment variable, so I can just do if(getenv('TRAVIS'))
[14:22:09] <Smith609>	 Perhaps, come to think of it, using environment variables myself offers a solution -- as these can be set privately at Travis, allowing me to keep the keys private.
[14:25:11] <chicocvenancio>	 That's usually my approach, encrypted Travis vars
[14:40:44] <Smith609>	 And what's the best way of setting them on the WMF server?  Is there a better way than including a (separate) php file?
[14:40:51] <Smith609>	 *private
[14:42:18] <chicocvenancio>	 Usually it's a config file, doesn't really have to be php. I think that is the best practice, but it is not really the only way, or mandatory 
[15:30:35] <Cyberpower678>	 Alright bigbrother is frustrating me.
[15:31:01] <Cyberpower678>	 I commented out an entry in the file and shut down the jsub jobs.
[15:31:13] <Cyberpower678>	 But BB keeps restarting it within seconds.
[15:31:29] <Cyberpower678>	 How do I shut down BB?
[15:31:51] <Cyberpower678>	 bd808: ^
[15:32:52] <Cyberpower678>	 Anyone?
[15:34:23] <Cyberpower678>	 Nevermind it finally stopped respawning the task
[17:44:36] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Jean-Frédéric: [C: 032] Move get_id_from_sort_key to common in preparation for re-use [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447107 (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[17:45:52] <wikibugs>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Move get_id_from_sort_key to common in preparation for re-use [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447107 (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[17:46:50] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: Move get_id_from_sort_key to common in preparation for re-use [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447107 (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[17:54:01] <wikibugs>	 (03CR) 10Jean-Frédéric: [C: 032] Add first tests for missing_commonscat_links [labs/tools/heritage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/447108 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176528) (owner: 10Lokal Profil)
[19:53:24] <r054l13_>	 !help I am using the k8 node shell for development of my bot on toolforge but then I wish to upgrade the node version on the shell. any hint on how i can go about that?
[19:53:24] <wm-bot>	 r054l13_: If you don't get a response in 15-30 minutes, please create a phabricator task -- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projects=wmcs-team
[19:54:53] <chicocvenancio>	 Hey r054l13_, nvm is the answer there. Are you having troubles with it? 
[19:59:10] <r054l13_>	 trying to install nvm now
[20:24:19] <apergos>	 this is all in a kube container btw.... what's the nice way to set everything up so that if the container is destroyed and recreated, it will have all the goodies?
[20:24:40] <apergos>	 like, nvm + version of node + whatever else is wanted
[20:30:10] <chicocvenancio>	 apergos: Install nvm, use it to install the node version, use npm in that version to install packages, set the start script in package.json to activate that nvm node version. 
[20:30:39] <apergos>	 that's all in the container, right? but don't we need to automate that if the container goes away?
[20:30:46] <apergos>	 I mean, we can't save intermediate images afaik
[20:30:50] <apergos>	 chicocvenancio
[20:30:55] <apergos>	 also, thanks for helping out!
[20:31:09] <chicocvenancio>	 We can't save images, but nvm doesn't need that
[20:31:35] <chicocvenancio>	 It saves node versions (and packages) in the filesystem
[20:31:59] <apergos>	 on a filesystem external to the container, and it's mounted as a volume or something?
[20:32:33] <chicocvenancio>	 The k8s image will call `node start`, whatever that is. We can use that hook to activate nvm
[20:32:57] <chicocvenancio>	 Yes, the filesystem is mounted as a nfs volume 
[20:33:03] <apergos>	 ah there's the missing piece
[20:33:04] <apergos>	 excellent
[20:35:49] <apergos>	 so basically you install all this on the bastion in your own env and then it's still available in the container for use later
[20:35:54] <apergos>	 r054l13_:  ^^ 
[20:36:48] <r054l13_>	 ok!
[20:38:50] <chicocvenancio>	 apergos: I'm not completely sure it'll work from the bastion because node is accient there
[20:39:03] <chicocvenancio>	 It will work from a k8s shell
[20:39:21] <apergos>	 we don't need it to run using the bastion's version
[20:39:30] <apergos>	 we need it to run using the version in the virtual enc
[20:39:32] <apergos>	 env
[20:39:34] <apergos>	 that's all
[20:39:41] <apergos>	 whether on the bastion or elsewhere, who cares
[20:40:11] <chicocvenancio>	 Well, I'm not sure nvm works with node 0.10
[20:40:17] <apergos>	 ah but see
[20:40:44] <apergos>	 this was bootstrapped by virtenv (I think) -> node -> nvm (? I think) -> the rest
[20:41:01] <apergos>	 a pretty awful chain but it did get the job done
[20:41:08] <apergos>	 if there's a better route, that's cool too
[20:41:19] <apergos>	 I'm just  a back seat driver for this  :-)
[20:41:27] <chicocvenancio>	 Virtenv is not really needed, but I don't see why it wouldn't work 
[20:41:47] <apergos>	 well it did work on the bastion at least, that way :-)
[20:41:50] <apergos>	 gross, it's true
[20:41:54] <apergos>	 I wish we had stretch images
[20:42:13] <apergos>	 OR the capability to apt-get things in containers
[20:54:54] <r054l13_>	 chicocvenancio: but I can be on the node shell and then later start the virtual env
[20:55:15] <r054l13_>	 that has a later version on node
[20:57:38] <chicocvenancio>	 If that works, then setting it in the `start` script should be enough 
[20:59:53] <r054l13_>	 I tried and it worked 
[21:00:47] <r054l13_>	 now set it in the start script and running the service, I get: your job is already running
[21:01:15] <r054l13_>	 but when I try the bot I get no reply, like it is not running
[21:01:59] <chicocvenancio>	 Then restart it, `webservice --backend=kubernetes nodejs restart`
[21:02:52] <r054l13_>	 ok
[21:06:11] <chicocvenancio>	 It seems the start script is not defined to use nvm atm
[21:17:21] <r054l13_>	 should it use nvm?
[21:17:38] <r054l13_>	 chicocvenancio: I mean the start script
[21:18:23] <chicocvenancio>	 Yes, it is what is run by webservice 
[21:19:58] <chicocvenancio>	 Nvm needs to activate the node version before anything is actually run by node
[21:21:55] <r054l13_>	 but when I stop the webservice and run manually it works
[21:22:16] <r054l13_>	 without activation of node or using nvm
[21:23:23] <chicocvenancio>	 It might be activated by .bash_rc or .profile 
[21:24:09] <chicocvenancio>	 Look at error.log
[21:24:13] <r054l13_>	 ok
[21:32:33] <r054l13_>	 error.log has very old errors logs. not sure the errors there are for recent executions. I had a look 
[21:56:25] <apergos>	 note that this is a bot (it responds to tweets on twitter), not a web service per se (there's not going to be anything listening on 80 or 443 for users)
[22:12:22] <chicocvenancio>	 apergos: yes, it's web page will just timeout. The bot should work regardless
[22:12:41] <apergos>	 gtk