[00:03:50] that's weird [00:04:38] twentyafterfour i cant edit or move [00:05:22] twentyafterfour maybe paladox somehow has elevated privileges [00:05:31] Zppix nope i doint [00:05:39] all users can apparently [00:06:02] paladox: you mean the menu options are enabled or that they actually work? [00:06:04] paladox i guess i dont qualify as an "all users" [00:06:12] bd808 yep [00:06:41] "yep" is not an answer to a multiple choice question [00:07:03] "a or b" "yep" "syntax error" :) [00:07:15] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F8762367 [00:07:27] thats normal... click the button [00:07:29] paladox [00:07:45] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F8762368 [00:08:04] umm... that shouldnt of worked [00:08:09] I wish phabricator had a simple way of switching to unprivileged session for testing [00:08:17] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F8762373 [00:08:20] yeah :/ [00:08:37] twentyafterfour doint you have two accounts :) [00:08:50] paladox the way phab works doesnt make switching accts easily [00:08:55] yeh [00:09:30] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F8762379 [00:10:02] bd808 also to answer your question, images above ^^. But wrriten text is that yes i see it enabled in the menu [00:10:30] it should be disabled out for the parts i carn't do so me being able to click on those is very strange i should have got an access denied [00:10:41] i get access denied on edit blog [00:11:01] Really [00:11:03] not everything else [00:11:14] by edit blog i mean the button labeled "edit blog" [00:11:17] i get "You do not have access to any forms which are enabled and marked as edit forms." [00:11:22] but that's not the same [00:11:28] that means it could not find a form [00:11:35] because it's hidden from normal users [00:11:52] oh that needs fixed... [00:12:16] i think we started on phame without doing all the things and just did a famous wikimedia bandaid :/ [00:12:30] twentyafterfour i wonder if setting the phame create form to all users will fix this? [00:12:52] and change access to edit and such to an acl or something [00:13:28] i belive pham access is different to the rest of phab [00:13:33] which makes everything confussing [00:15:27] paladox: indeed it's really messed up and confusing [00:15:31] yep [00:15:52] If I change the permissions on the form then anyone can post in the blog [00:16:06] yeh that was what i didnt want to happen. [00:16:17] i think upstream will need to make permissions better [00:16:18] twentyafterfour why is phame so different? [00:16:27] ie have seperate ones for editing the blog vs commenting [00:16:43] Zppix it's a brand new application from last year. [00:16:54] oh [00:16:57] that's what i read from there twitter feed [00:17:28] i doubt phame will be anywhere near normal priorty even for upstream to work on at the moment [00:17:39] yep [00:17:48] There's a bunch of kinda half-finished applications in Phab :) [00:17:53] lol [00:18:03] RainbowSprinkles i know but i thought phame was older than that :P [00:18:08] some that you would never ever use too [00:18:56] Zppix: Point being that all applications aren't supported to the same degree. Most people aren't installing Phabricator /because/ of Phame, that's just a spare feature. [00:19:03] does wmf even use phab's cred store? i dont think so cause iirc they use a heavily secure server [00:19:10] Whereas they /are/ installing it for Maniphest and Diffusion [00:19:14] So they get more attention [00:19:15] twentyafterfour if you carn't fix it now, that's fine :). Just wanted to report it just in case it was easily fixable. [00:19:34] So, the "less popular" extensions can feel kinda--half finished--sometimes [00:19:40] yeh [00:20:04] If a feature is broken that nobody uses, does it get a bug report? ;-) [00:20:10] lol no [00:20:12] they close it [00:20:31] if it is a beta application they wont accept bug reports for it. [00:20:35] ok apparently they fixed it so that the form controls commenting and the blog edit privs control editing posts [00:20:58] paladox: I was asking a meta question. "If a tree falls in the woods...." [00:20:59] :) [00:21:01] ah [00:21:03] forms are back [00:21:06] heh. so we have them backwards now twentyafterfour? [00:21:08] oh lol [00:21:22] let me guess we now have to do a phab update to get the fix :P [00:21:28] nope [00:21:30] it's fixed [00:21:44] bd808: yeah, this way makes more sense but I sware it was the opposite before [00:21:44] and i see the menu parts inside are disabled now [00:21:45] :) [00:21:52] lol [00:21:53] oh yeah duh... (sorry i just got back from a trip im still a little out of my norm) [00:21:54] I swapped it [00:22:09] so upstream switched it around. Very confusing. [00:22:18] I guess that's what happened [00:22:20] all good for me now too twentyafterfour :) [00:22:23] or we're all going crazy [00:22:26] * Zppix gives a cold pint to twentyafterfour [00:22:39] thanks twentyafterfour :) [00:22:54] * paladox closes T144338 as resolved again [00:23:09] Zppix: yes we do use the credential store, for gerrit and github access [00:23:46] bd808: so I guess that means we can fix the privs on blogs now :) [00:24:01] yeah. I was just about to do that for mine :) [00:24:05] :) [00:24:39] bd808: we don't have an acl*cloud-services yet? Should I make one? [00:25:00] we don't, but I'm not sure its really useful [00:25:26] time flies by so quick already 01:25am. [00:27:31] twentyafterfour one more question, is it normal for files like screenshots to have it set automatically to visable by only you? [00:28:06] Zppix everyone can view the file [00:28:22] weird [00:28:34] i clicked edit file and it said visable to: me [00:29:35] i can view your file [00:30:39] * paladox -> tv (ncis) [00:31:17] i love that show see you tomorrow paladox [00:31:25] 10Tool-Labs-tools-XTools, 10Community-Tech-Sprint: Remove automated edits interface in Edit Counter - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170185#3440893 (10MusikAnimal) PR at https://github.com/x-tools/xtools-rebirth/pull/45 Sorry for it being so much! I'll explain the changes: * Move all AutoEdits logic to th... [00:31:26] ok [00:33:51] Zppix: files are controlled by the view policy of the object you attach the file to [00:36:03] twentyafterfour it was set like that when i uploaded it [00:36:27] Zppix changed the visibility from "Zppix (Devin)" to "Public (No Login Required)". [00:36:43] (and no i dont care i just gave the world my first name) [00:44:20] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1414 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 66.67% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [01:03:19] PROBLEM - Free space - all mounts on tools-logs-02 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: tools.tools-logs-02.diskspace._srv.byte_percentfree (<22.22%) [01:14:20] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1414 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [01:53:35] 10Tool-Labs-tools-XTools, 10Community-Tech-Sprint: Form state not reset after using browser's back button in Safari/Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170499#3440947 (10kaldari) 05Open>03Resolved Seems to be fixed now. [02:00:03] 10Tool-Labs-tools-XTools, 10Community-Tech-Sprint: Memory issues with ArticleInfo - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170297#3440956 (10kaldari) 05Open>03Resolved Haven't been able to reproduce the problem, so it seems to be fixed. [02:18:45] Zppix|Away: nope the workers died for some reason. [02:31:29] k ty [02:57:15] Zppix: in case you didn't notice, I kicked them. [02:57:34] If you have email setup you should have gotten a job completion email. [03:39:17] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1402 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 66.67% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [03:45:23] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-generic-1401 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 30.00% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [03:59:16] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1402 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [04:25:20] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-generic-1401 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [05:16:22] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-generic-1401 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 33.33% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [05:56:22] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-generic-1401 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [06:30:08] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1431 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 37.50% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [06:49:52] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1425 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 30.00% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [07:10:10] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1431 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [07:29:50] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-exec-1425 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [07:38:23] PROBLEM - Free space - all mounts on tools-worker-1020 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: tools.tools-worker-1020.diskspace.root.byte_percentfree (<100.00%) [11:40:10] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-lighttpd-1426 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 44.44% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [12:20:10] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-lighttpd-1426 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [14:52:36] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-prometheus-01 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 100.00% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [15:07:58] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-prometheus-02 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 100.00% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [16:18:45] Suggested fonts for replacing current awful ToolForge MOTD logo (currently: http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=display&f=Slant&t=Cyberlarge ) [16:18:47] http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=display&f=Slant&t=Shadow [16:18:49] http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=display&f=Slant&t=Slant [16:18:51] http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=display&f=Slant&t=Small%20Slant [18:28:49] Dispenser: please refrain from using language like 'awful' - if you have suggestions to make something better, a ticket/gerrit patch is always welcome. [18:33:43] Just repeating what's been said. Sorry I didn't post the links right: http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#t=ToolForge&f=Shadow http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#t=ToolForge&f=Slant http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#t=ToolForge&f=Small%20Slant [18:39:04] Dispenser: It doesn't matter, accusatory comments against other's work are not welcome in our spaces. Please phrase your comments as suggestions, and !benice. [18:42:33] WTF? If I make shit I expect it to be called shit. It's not reflective on the person [18:47:06] I think the point is that there are more constructive phrasings than "awful" [18:47:21] PROBLEM - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-generic-1401 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 44.44% of data above the critical threshold [0.0] [18:49:47] Looks like it was sloppily and hastily done with no regard to aesthetic qualities, nor the number of that would subjected to its presentation [18:50:03] But that's longer and harder to type out [19:06:14] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#2323722 (10WalterKlosse) I have the same problem after i login i write pwb.py commonscat -start:Category:! -summary:Přidáno commonscat... [19:11:23] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441489 (10Urbanecm) Just login on Commons manually before you run the bot for the first time. Dne so 15. čvc 2017 21:06 uživatel Walt... [19:13:23] andrewbogott: the issued I had some month ago, is that solved? e.g. when I'm recreating an instance with the same name as before, do I still have to wait 20 minutes between deletion and creation for puppet? [19:22:11] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441504 (10Framawiki) The account was already created on commonswiki, per CentalAuth. [19:27:21] RECOVERY - Puppet errors on tools-webgrid-generic-1401 is OK: OK: Less than 1.00% above the threshold [0.0] [19:32:55] Dispenser: being a drive-by jerk is not acceptable in this channel. Please act like you are communicating with real people or find another place to hang out. [19:34:06] Sagan: as far as I know the delay was only ever to deal with local DNS caches. It never hurts to wait but shouldn't be strictly necessary. [19:35:16] Dispenser: I made the display that you are disparaging. It was not sloppily or hastily done, but obviously you have a different ascetic sense. That does not entitle you to act out however. [19:35:49] andrewbogott: ah, ok, thx :) [19:37:42] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441505 (10WalterKlosse) I login on Commons manually but then it write pywikibot.exceptions.NoUsername: Failed OAuth authentication f... [19:38:29] Dispenser: your "longer and harder to type out" version is also not any better at providing constructive input. [19:39:05] bd808: I've been in #wikimedia-toolserver, #wikimedia-labs, and this channel for nearly 10 years. My friend are harsh but honest. [19:39:57] being a jerk for years is not an excuse if that is what you are atempting to say [19:41:40] I think you're projecting too much [19:42:10] I see my own failing in your lack of empathy when communicating? [19:42:20] perhaps [19:43:45] I do not feel a need to AGF with you however. You burned that bridge years ago [19:44:23] I'm glad to have you here and in Toolforge as a contributing member of the community [19:44:55] But I will call you or anyone else out for being undeservedly mean and critical [19:44:59] Things being okay in the past is not an indication of them being okay now. We have an explicit code of conduct now, this channel is subject to it. This channel is beginner friendly, and only encourages constructive commentary. [19:47:34] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441510 (10Urbanecm) Why are you trying to edit wikipedia:ar then? By the way try pwb.py commonscat -start:Category:! -summary:"Přidáno... [19:47:39] I don't know. I'm dyslexic, so I don't read "enough". I understand "projecting" as making imposing a model. Is there a better word for it? [19:50:12] In psychotherapy, "projecting" is criticizing another person for doing something when you, in fact, are the guilty party. [19:51:26] Ok, wrong terminology [19:51:54] I'm not sure what your alternate definition actually means. Over reacting? [19:53:43] The basic rule we are trying to enforce in this channel is that people should feel safe to ask questions and discuss topics directly related to Cloud VPS, Toolforge, and Data Services. [19:54:16] That has several consequences, but the one at issue here is civility [19:54:42] "be nice or leave" is the easiest way to express that [19:55:27] I would use "awful" in company of friends. It could be my cultural upbringing (German). [19:55:35] Fwiw, as somebody who has lived in both Europe and the US, it feels to me there is a common cultural difference when it comes to these things. And native/non-native English speaker as well and how specific words like "awful" are perceived. [19:56:01] If you have an objective critique of the new net.issue banner please provide it. [19:56:33] "Looks like it was sloppily and hastily done with no regard to aesthetic qualities" is not objective [19:56:41] it is completely subjective [19:56:48] Critique fonts is very hard [19:56:49] meaning it is your opinion [19:56:57] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441513 (10Urbanecm) Hmm... I've got it. The tools tries to browse ALL wikis per interwiki. You'll need to visit all wikis when logged... [19:57:52] A more constructive way to present your point of view would be with a screen shot showing that it is unreadable on your terminal [19:58:14] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441514 (10WalterKlosse) When i login site that is writen in the error the error show another wiki [19:58:26] I'm completely happy to see alternate designs as patches or other mock ups [20:00:12] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441515 (10Urbanecm) As I said: The script tries to login at all existent wikis so you'll have to create your account at it by visiting... [20:04:38] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441516 (10WalterKlosse) Yes....but it existing thousands of wikis [20:06:51] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441517 (10Urbanecm) You're not right. Only 308 Wikipedias and 909 wikis in together ;). You may use https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Us... [20:15:12] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441531 (10WalterKlosse) Thank you [20:23:17] 10PAWS, 10MediaWiki-extensions-OAuth, 10Pywikibot-OAuth: PAWS can not login, OAuth error: API error mwoauth-invalid-authorization - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136114#3441574 (10Urbanecm) You're welcome. [20:23:41] 10Tools: [Flickr2Commons] File uploads need to recognise urls on blacklist early in the process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157436#3441575 (10Aklapper) [20:23:49] bd808: Its aesthetic, so there's no right point of view. In my eye it doesn't look like a "professional" MOTD. Like somebody did not spend enough time designing it. Compounding that it used a pre-made font. (the sloppy & hastily) [20:23:51] (specifically: gap at top not symmetrically mirrored by the bottom, the logo not centred in an 80 column display, the underscore overhangs the F/E, but not R/G, The weird slants on the R not mirrored in the G, three WMF colors randomly used--Two would've been better, the period floating outside 71 column banner) [20:23:53] And I'm not here to badmouth and leave ("Drive by jerk"). I gave suggestions for that we could've discussed. With a dark Terminal I'm a fan of Shadow: http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=display&f=Shadow&t=ToolForge [20:24:10] 10Tools: [Flickr2Commons] File uploads need to recognise urls on blacklist early in the process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157436#3005092 (10Aklapper) 05stalled>03Invalid Flickr2Commons is not maintained in Phabricator, hence [[ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/703/ | closing this... [20:26:45] so basically, you don't like the choice of font [20:26:51] that's fair [20:27:33] and this attempt was much more constructive, thank you [20:29:11] A patch to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/operations-puppet/browse/production/modules/toollabs/files/40-tools-bastion-banner.sh would always be welcome. [20:33:38] Still a question of aesthetic selection. The ones I listed were semi-drop in replacements. [20:39:58] (Personally, I'm wanting to do a horror/metal font after doing https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Telnet ) [20:40:50] Dispenser just do not use comic sans :P [20:41:16] I'm dyslexic, Comic Sans is my favorite font! [20:41:49] Dispenser i use it for IE (because i never use IE) [22:02:00] 10Tools: [Flickr2Commons] File uploads need to recognise urls on blacklist early in the process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T157436#3441607 (10Pigsonthewing) Who said this was /only/ about Flickr2Commons?