[21:46:06] hi folks - new to the community [21:47:57] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q503958 is a wikidata node about sreetlights and https://gis.data.vbgov.com/datasets/4469b7926ef94ec4bf2e176a2dffbe8e_2?geometry=-76.318%2C36.826%2C-75.824%2C36.922 is a geospatial database of streetlights in virignia beach…. how would i add a reference to that content in wikidata? or is that not the point? [22:24:27] anyhow - if anyone has bandwidth to discuss shoot me an email at anson@virginia.edu [22:24:47] codeforcville.org is the backing organization on the question = we’re still in the discovery phase [22:24:51] alibama don't leave just yet, one sec [22:25:22] perryprog: sure = not rushing anywhere, just leaving a note in here [22:27:48] alibama, ah ok good, just didn't want you to leave before you could get an answer. You could probably get some luck regarding that on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat since it's a bit quiet here at the moment. [22:28:21] yeah - just leaving notes around the ethereal realms to see where folks are at [22:28:56] perryprog: big picture does the question at least make sense? [22:29:31] like - does having a reference to a database of streetlights belong there… what about just having a link to the schema, etc.... [22:30:36] I think that seems like a reasonable thing to have, although it probably wouldn't belong on the specific item you linked. Most likely it'd go on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q49259 [22:32:20] For the actual property—that is, the text that says "this location has a database of streetlights here"—I have no clue how you would do that. [22:33:00] I'm 98% confident it doesn't exist yet, but there's possibly some sort of trick that people more experienced than I would know. [22:33:27] Or maybe it's just not recommended at all to link to it, although I kinda doubt people would be against its inclusion for the most part. [22:46:42] w [22:47:44] sorry - fat finger typing there [22:49:30] perryprog: ultimately we would like to be able to do some spatial queries based on things that have nothing to do with virginia beach - like streetlights that are close to city parks and related public safety statistics… of which data in virginia beach would just be a subset… [22:51:08] I can't say for certain, but I would guess including information about the street lighting per location would be out of scope for WikiData. It would probably be better to query the individual APIs that provide data for each location. [22:52:28] By the way, this is probably a long shot, but is this in any way related to what you're working on? https://github.com/mfbx9da4/brightpath-backend [22:54:04] very cool - that’s definitely a cool output [22:54:57] i think those are the types of applications we want to build - one of the folks i work with is talking about how to balance the value of streetlights for safety with the ecological needs of some insects and such [22:55:31] Ah, so more general then, interesting. [22:55:49] so like fireflies don’t do well in super bright areas, and trying to keep those ecosystems available while balancing the safety needs, as well as what different street lights cost to run [22:56:21] yeah - i think that’s what makes wikidata so interesting [22:56:28] i’m **very** new to this community [22:58:08] I think the best Wikidata could do would be /maybe/ provide links to whatever dataset would provide such information for each location. But you should feel free to get a second opinion, as I'm by no means a very experienced WD user either. [23:00:39] i appreciate the conversation - the other aspect of this is that we’re trying to convey the value of sharing this data with the public [23:00:59] i’m actually in charlottesville - we want our city to publish this data, so that’s the other reason we’re casting a wide net :) [23:03:01] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Working_with_geospatial_streetlight_data_as_it_might_relate_to_economic,_ecological,_and_public_health_data_sets [23:03:12] Contacting Virginia Beach and asking how they came about publishing that dataset might not be a bad idea then. [23:03:32] alibama, you'll want to sign that post with four tildas: ~~~~ [23:03:39] ok - well i’ve got a starting point to work with there, and now we can sit back and wait for the bigger brains to jump in :) [23:03:57] oooh - thanks [23:04:11] yeah - i’ve reached out to them, waiting to hear back [23:04:19] Nice :)