[00:31:03] anyone else having issues with MERGE gadget? [00:32:16] trying to merge Q19087891 and Q24887051 [00:32:34] if anyone else wants to try. I don't get the pop-up window [00:33:34] hmm, firefox issue [00:42:10] billinghurst: I've been using it with firefox the past couple days without issue [00:42:28] okay, firefox 78? [00:42:48] yup, 78.2, win10, 64-bit [00:43:05] hmm, that is what I have [00:43:24] and not other config changes since I last update [00:43:25] anything in the browser console? [00:44:29] I see a merge from you about 10 minutes ago [00:44:40] yep, used Chrome [00:44:46] ah, k [00:44:52] Uncaught DOMException: Permission denied to access property "ownerDocument" on cross-origin object [00:45:13] yup, that's a problem all right [00:45:14] jQuery 12 [00:45:18] jQuery 8 [00:45:20] (no idea what the cause is) [00:46:24] I am crap at console [00:46:59] me too [09:22:56] * nikki grumbles at how annoying entering grammatical features on lexemes still is [09:25:41] it would be slightly less annoying if adding aliases helped, but I added an alias and it's still like "screw you. type the whole name or I'm not returning it" [09:26:09] but surely you want singapore as a grammatical feature, that's sensible right [09:32:34] and what grammatical feature would start with "first p"? well that's *clearly* going to be "first professional football league" [09:32:58] yeah, I sit here making constant sarcastic comments in my head at it while editing :P [09:39:47] the thing where editing senses deletes my spaces is annoying too. I didn't realise just how often I backspace [10:22:24] yeahhh don't let me use the lexeme I just created in statements either, I might edit too fast [10:41:44] heh. used quickstatements so I didn't have to wait. kinda ridiculous but ok [10:48:34] billinghurst: for me the merge gadget seems to work (opens a window) on Firefox 77 and 79 (I don’t have a test system with 78) [10:48:50] I looked a bit into the error you posted but couldn’t make sense of it [10:50:00] I seem to have 78.0.1 [10:50:08] * nikki sees if it works [10:50:46] the dialog pops up at least [11:14:42] thanks for all eveyone's hard work [11:15:22] how does one manually and/or usually-go-about subscribing a wiki to a data item? [11:16:43] thanks nikki and absent Lucas; must be something local [11:17:28] my purpose is to link-together wikisource articles of different languages [11:17:32] johnfreez, subscribing? do you mean add an interwiki link to a WMF wiki> [11:18:06] billinghurst, mmm, yes probably-- i'm a newbie [11:18:16] johnfreez, oh, WS is some work, have you looked at [[d:Wikidata:WikiProject Books]] ? [11:18:17] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books [11:18:36] billinghurst, i'll check it out [11:18:39] thnx [11:18:52] WSes are an issue as they do editions of works, and each edition has its own item [11:19:34] though an edition item links to an item about the work [11:19:59] sounds complex [11:20:26] johnfreez, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q81724988 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2564887 are a set that I paired earlier today [11:20:35] Q81724988 (s:en:A Group of Noble Dames) and Q2564887 (en:A Group of Noble Dames) [11:25:31] sorry, chat-browser-tab fell out of memory... [11:25:42] so the generic item, Q2564887 doesn't get a wikisource link? [11:27:11] nope, they link together through some magic linking of has edition?edition of [11:27:25] ? -> / [11:27:50] ahhh [11:28:57] from the enWS side you will see the enWP link in the sidebar directly leveraged through the system [11:29:15] and we have an additional in the {{header}} which we do through some template coding [11:29:53] there is no direct linking from the enWP side, that is still manual [11:30:42] interwiki links for the WSes need to be through all linking from the editions and translations through the work intermediary [11:31:38] and it can be a one to many. The WSes can have multiple editions or translations of a primary work [11:32:08] unlike the WPs where they have a one to one to one to ... only relationship [11:32:32] i'm beginning to understand... [11:32:47] :-) many do not [11:33:43] does theh attribute "has edition or translation" of a wikidata item affect language selectability [11:34:11] across wikisource entries? [11:34:21] nope, you can add it as a subproperty [11:34:39] from either side [11:35:38] i tried to add a language { subproperty } on wikisource [11:35:45] subproperty = qualifer [11:37:31] it was already there " [11:37:32] language of work or name [11:37:32] => English" [11:37:53] on wikidata, right? [11:38:00] yep [11:38:28] well, for this example [11:42:05] when i try to link wikisources articles by language together, using the sidebar tool, i get this message: ""has edition or translation" "The page you wanted to link with is already attached to an item on the central data repository which links to [article name] on this site. Items can only have one page per site attached. Please choose a different [11:42:05] page to link with." [11:42:42] [ minus ""has edition or translation" [11:45:06] that is saying that the target is linked to from another item [11:45:28] what target item are you trying to link? [11:46:35] esWS "Cuarta Declaración de la Selva Lacandona" [11:47:05] from enWS i tried to use the language link tool on the sidebar to link to "Cuarta Declaración de la Selva Lacandona" [11:48:04] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19033385 [11:48:42] the thing is that the wikidata item lists both en and es wikisource articles [11:48:45] yes that's it [11:49:09] johnfreez, we don't merge different WS items, they are their own items, as they have their own data, different translator, publication, pages, etc. [11:49:26] oh, oops [11:49:50] i may have to undo some things then ;p [11:49:50] not an issue [11:50:04] already unmerged [11:51:16] johnfreez, is there a wikipedia article? I am guessing not [11:52:05] not for the fourth declaration, but for the sixth declaration there is ;p [11:52:31] enWP Sixth_Declaration_of_the_Lacandon_Jungle [11:53:18] hey thanks, the sidebar langage link tool worked [11:56:48] so i should probably undo the mergings i did of all the declarations { 6 in total } [11:57:37] how should the wikidata items like these be...associated... [11:58:04] qualifier: "edition or translation of" ? [11:58:50] like you exemplified in "a group of noble dames"? [11:59:00] one is an edition of the other [11:59:19] in the case of these declarations, one is a translation of the other [12:02:19] haha, billinghurst, sorry to give you more work ;p [12:02:29] reverting my work [12:05:39] * billinghurst shrugs, it happens [12:06:07] okay, I have created the parent item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q97441822 [12:06:24] and linked the two edition-type items to them [12:06:28] it [12:07:43] ahh, got it [12:08:25] okay, with this example, the others can thus be formed [12:08:41] We WSians are typically lazy and don't create the work items. We like to do our transcriptions, create the edition item, and say stuff the remainder [12:09:09] many of the works we recreate are often never notable enough to get a modern entry [12:10:05] you're saying WSians tend to create item editions, and not their formal parent item? [12:10:07] johnfreez, if you are going to do a lot of these, I really find the WMF framework tool really useful, and multiple tabs for the multiple items [12:10:31] ok thanks, i'll check wmf out [12:10:41] wmf framework tool [12:10:43] I also use the javascript that puts the display of the Q-item onto pages wherever I am [12:11:15] scripts will show in [[m:user:billinghurst/global.js]] [12:11:41] 10[1] 10https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:billinghurst/global.js [12:12:24] ack WEF framework [12:13:28] got it [12:14:50] so in the case of the sixth declaration, would the manifesto itself get an enWP link, or it's spanish edition or english translation? [12:15:23] I would think that it already has an enWP link [12:16:08] there is an enWP article, but which WD items ought to get enWP to that article? [12:16:30] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sixth_Declaration_of_the_Lacandon_Jungle (Q7533135) [12:17:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Declaration_of_the_Lacandon_Jungle (Q7533135) [12:17:19] ugh [12:17:46] yes, enWS and enWP i see, but i'm asking, in WD, which of the three items ought to get enW*P* links? [12:18:04] excuse me while I revert, and unpack [12:18:06] just the manifesto, or also the spanish edition, and the english translation? [12:19:02] the enWS translation needs to be split out [12:19:29] what do you mean? [12:19:59] the translation at enWS is its own item [12:20:05] and gets linked back [12:20:51] to itself? [12:23:36] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q97442619 [12:26:29] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q97442619 [12:26:38] these are compelx beasts [12:28:43] the declarations? or the mediawiki? or both ;p [12:29:05] so this one Q97442619 should get a enWP link, yes? [12:31:06] johnfreez, Q97442619 gets its enWS interwiki, and the edition at enWS has links to the enWP article [12:31:48] oh really... [12:31:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7533135 has the enWP and esWP links as it is the conceptual article [12:32:02] enWS links to enWP ...how'd i mess that [12:32:10] how'd i *miss that [12:32:49] Sister Projects.sister projects: Wikipedia article, Wikidata item. (header) and also in the sidebar [12:35:31] you just added the header link right? [12:35:54] and the sidebar link is a consequence of what? how'd that get there? [12:36:12] the sidebar is a consequence of the linking [12:36:39] the header is hardlinks, and was there previously, just now updaetd [12:37:07] the hardlink method has long existed [12:37:39] and we are working to replacing with automated [12:39:11] Lucas_WMDE, does Mohammed do IRC? [12:39:45] right, the header was there. you added '{{import enwiki}}' [12:39:46] 10[2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:import_enwiki [12:40:38] johnfreez, yep, that is a convert to inhale the link in WD rather than the hard link, and eventually we will update the header to not require the helper [12:40:38] 'the sidebar is a consequence of the linking' which type of linking? wikidata? or in-article linking? [12:41:28] sidebar: enWS item => (edition of) => enWP item [12:42:37] enWS linking to enWP is not plain vanilla [12:43:26] ahh, okay, unpacked, that means WD links to enWP, and thus enWS displays a sidebar enWP link? [12:43:33] do i have that straight? [12:43:38] or... [12:44:28] the EnWS item has a relationship to enWP through the "has edition" property [12:44:49] and where both have wikilinks, the sdiebar will show the enWP link from enWS [12:46:05] enWS items can link to enWP in many ways, depending on what you are looking at enWS [12:46:43] an edition of a work, a biographical article within a work; an author page, a portal page, ... [12:48:07] enWS will have author pages, though can also separately have biographical articles about the author [12:49:05] enWS can have a curated page about a subject, then have multiple encyclopaedic articles about that subject from various pulbications [12:49:29] all is fun fun fun [12:50:43] SO MUCH FUN [12:51:05] c'est la vie [12:57:47] you picked a complex set to work upon :-/ [12:59:42] outa the frying pan into the fire [13:20:09] billinghurst: I don’t know, sorry [13:36:44] bling [13:39:07] thx. replied to his email [20:10:28] Hello [20:10:44] Hello* [21:53:30] I am user456541, i just changed 1 to 2 because i forgot my freenode pass and theres no way to reset it [22:02:51] !admin Speedy deletion: Q97393731 (spam) [22:02:51] Please visit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:AN