[07:44:03] <Anon7413>	 hello
[07:44:41] <Anon7413>	 anybody here?
[09:14:52] <Cladis>	 what a typical IRC dialogue :)
[09:18:20] <Kostas20142[m]>	 Anon7413: hello
[09:24:10] <Cladis>	 they have left over an hour ago (unless they are checking the channel logs)
[09:43:57] <Kostas20142[m]>	 Oh didn't see that they left...
[11:50:15] <CustosLimen>	 hi
[11:50:21] <CustosLimen>	 can I get ISO/IEC 21838-1 and ISO/IEC 21838-2 somewhere
[11:50:26] <CustosLimen>	 without paying for it
[11:50:32] <CustosLimen>	 like drafts or something
[12:30:21] <CustosLimen>	 Once people have finished burning down their countries we should seriously reconisder copyright somehow
[12:30:23] <CustosLimen>	 dunno how
[12:30:55] <CustosLimen>	 maybe we need to rework the library model for the 21st century
[12:31:23] <CustosLimen>	 I can be part of a library, pay dues (possibly via taxes) - and then they buy books
[12:31:29] <CustosLimen>	 and I can download them
[12:31:43] <CustosLimen>	 so basically like libgen but there is some funding
[12:31:52] <CustosLimen>	 hard problem is, how to know what books to buy
[12:32:12] <CustosLimen>	 but the current approach is stupid and really dampens progress I would say
[12:32:27] <CustosLimen>	 like I could technically go to library and get a book instead of using libgen
[12:32:37] <CustosLimen>	 but why would I go to the efford
[12:32:42] <CustosLimen>	 it is dumb
[12:32:49] <CustosLimen>	 burn that
[12:33:18] <nikki>	 I would like a more centralised ebook library. why would I pay 15 or 30 euros or however much it is to join the local library just to access a couple of thousand of books which doesn't include the ones I actually want :/
[12:33:40] <CustosLimen>	 yes
[12:33:54] <nikki>	 I also looked into physical interlibrary loans but that costs money regardless of whether they can get hold of it or not, in which case I might as well just buy the book myself
[13:36:10] <CustosLimen>	 :/