[00:01:18] i probably know what you are planning to do ;) [07:24:32] reosarevok, did you get an answer to the Wikidata ID/Wikidata URL question yet? [07:25:50] with JavaScript on Wikipedia you can just do mw.config.get("wgWikibaseItemId") [07:29:39] with queries you can use this example query: https://w.wiki/9oT [08:01:36] Thanks! [08:02:12] Jhs, SothoTalKer: trying with my previous question as well just in case :D [08:02:18] "20:27 For https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:How_to_use_data_on_Wikimedia_projects - is there a way to use arbitrary access to request forms of a lexeme matching a specific set of grammatical features?" [08:02:29] "20:27 Such as "give me the singular indefinite form of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L1102" ?" [08:14:48] aha. i haven't tried anything with lexemes yet i'm afraid, reosarevok. but i am interested in the answer to the question as well, if you find it. :) [09:21:05] Jhs: waait, you're the one who just came with me to catch an Estonian Litwick, or am I making wrong assumptions? [10:25:49] reosarevok, indeed :) [11:23:07] Lucas_WMDE: hi! [11:23:21] hi! [11:23:39] You seem like the kind of person who might have an answer for my lexeme questions :D [11:24:17] Seems I scared him away, oh no :D [11:24:46] Is there a way to use arbitrary access to request forms of a lexeme matching a specific set of grammatical features? Such as "give me the singular indefinite form of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L1102" (to build a template for Wiktionary with the different forms of a lexeme) [11:25:20] just unplugged my laptop from ethernet, sorry :D [11:25:27] from Lua, you mean? [11:26:02] Well, I was thinking in the same trivial way as the "{{#statements:birth name|from=Q42}} will display "Douglas Noël Adams"" example [11:26:04] Ideally [11:26:05] (or parser functions) [11:26:34] (say, forms:XXX&&XXX|from=L1) [11:26:34] ok, to me that’s mostly the same (grouped under “client access”) [11:26:44] and as far as I know there’s no client access to lexeme data yet [11:28:06] Hmm, ok. Any idea if "yet" means "it's in the plans soonish" or "god knows, maybe in five years"? [11:28:28] (or "well it should be easy, code for the standard items is here, patches welcome" :p) [11:28:59] well, code-wise, I’d say Lua support will come first [11:29:13] and then modules can implement things like “the form matching these grammatical features” [11:29:21] and we can see which things are most useful / necessary [11:29:26] and decide which parser functions to provide, based on that [11:29:29] but that’s just guesswork [11:29:36] and I don’t think it’s currently on the roadmap, sorry [11:29:56] (side question: you might have a problem in that “singular indefinite” could be a single grammatical feature item rather than two separate ones) [11:30:10] (don’t know if that’s the case for singular indefinite but I’ve definitely seen “first person singular” and similar items) [11:30:42] I see [11:31:20] Well, hopefully we can hear a bit more about the plans for lexicographical stuff during wikidatacon :) [11:31:49] * reosarevok probably should learn some basic lua while at it [11:51:44] Lucas_WMDE: somewhat relatedly, is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikidata_Lexeme_Forms/Norwegian_Bokmål waiting for the translation of the couple missing terms, for some review, or just for you to have some time? :) [11:52:19] (I have a couple Norwegian speakers who might be interested in helping / reviewing if needed) [11:53:18] uh [11:53:22] no idea, tbh [11:54:14] (we had the Northern Europe meeting recently, were surprised to see Nynorsk available but Bokmal missing, but now I checked and it's mostly there, it seems, just not out :) ) [11:54:32] I *think* it’s still waiting on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wikidata_Lexeme_Forms/Archive_1#Norwegian_Bokm%C3%A5l ? [11:54:39] but apparently I never migrated that discussion out of the archive [11:54:50] when the talk page was moved to Structured Discussions [11:54:52] (rip) [11:54:59] Oh [11:55:09] Jhs: perhaps you can look at this? ^ :p [11:56:22] PROBLEM - Host wdqs1007 is DOWN: PING CRITICAL - Packet loss = 100% [11:57:54] resurrected the discussion at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:V8x0b9k6ape7wa7x [11:59:50] Thanks! [12:00:24] RECOVERY - Host wdqs1007 is UP: PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 0.31 ms [12:20:40] reosarevok: could you leave a comment about your use case at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212843 ? it doesn’t seem to have come up yet [12:28:15] Sure! [14:29:27] hello [14:30:10] anybody there? [20:01:40] reosarevok is a conman ;p [20:02:13] SothoTalKer: wat. also, out of curiosity [20:02:37] "i probably know what you are planning to do ;)" I'd be willing to bet against that, but what do you think I'm planning to do :p [20:02:49] its easy, you are going to wikidatacon [20:03:16] oh... groan [20:03:34] reosarevok: i guess your question was not work related, then :) [20:03:43] Haha [20:04:13] Nope, the plan is to take a csv table with data about all Estonian libraries and add it to WD, but it has a mapping to the Estonian wiki, not WD [20:04:24] (an outdated, mediocre mapping, it turns out, but eh) [20:04:47] ah :) [20:05:17] Although now I realize what you thought I wanted to do, and I really should do that too :p [20:05:38] VIAF is changing stuff around all the time. how can it be used as a stable identifier XD [20:06:34] It probably doesn't, and that's why libraries want WD IDs too :p [20:06:44] *can't [20:06:55] which are likely to be wrong, too [20:08:06] Sure, but at least I guess they're easier to fix than working with VIAF and hoping for the best... [20:08:07] and with tenthousands to millions of authority records, checking everything manually is impossible, and automation leads to errors. [20:08:46] Fun! [20:09:04] And/or terrible, but you know. Terribly fun [20:09:25] aint nobody got time for that ;) [20:09:40] For fun? I hope you're wrong! [20:09:56] i wished i had more fun :) [20:10:32] I'd say "come to wikidatacon", but actually they seem to expect it to be stressful enough that we'll need yoga and meditation, so :p [20:12:03] The biggest events I've been to before have been 30 people so I'm fully expecting it'll be a horribly chaotic mess [20:12:08] Hope I'm wrong :D [20:14:01] relax :)) [20:25:30] I'll try! [20:25:39] * reosarevok goes back to fix horribly entered classical albums in MusicBrainz [20:34:09] yay [20:34:12] i guess... [21:28:15] would it be a problem if I make my signature china must fall?