[00:37:49] Should this not be an instance of smartphone instead of a type of smartphone: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q66816667 [00:38:04] actually with this also: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2766 [00:38:30] It seems to me an iPhone 7 Plus is an instance of a smartphone, not a type of smartphone [00:38:41] it is a type of iPhone though sure [01:30:53] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q147778 [01:31:08] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q9404 [01:35:10] This user pings me >10 times, reverts valid edits, then when I try and discuss it with them they say they will block me: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Andreasmperu [01:35:19] Don't know how to deal with that [01:37:44] !admin [01:37:44] Please visit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:AN [01:39:27] I see [01:39:30] he is an admin [01:39:35] :\ [01:39:41] Really need to do something about that [03:20:39] Is there code of conduct for wikidata? [03:21:11] Is it acceptable for an admin to say this to a user: "Are you taking the piss?" [09:30:26] eidax00: yes. [10:36:46] dreamreal, so can I say this to admin also? [10:36:53] Or is it different rules for admins? [10:37:13] dreamreal, AFAIK the en.wikipedia policy is that admins should have examplary conduct [10:37:17] better than users [10:37:18] not worse [10:40:47] dreamreal, so is it different idea here? [10:41:11] you can say it to admins, sure, but note that they have power and you don't. [10:41:16] * dreamreal shrugs [10:49:26] dreamreal, power to enforce rules surely? [10:49:41] dreamreal, if it is not against any rule then what is the problem [10:49:51] and if it is against a rule how is it okay for them to say? [10:50:34] * dreamreal shrugs. This sounds like you should take it to the larger wikidata administration, of which I am not a part. But ... remember, it's the internet. Thick skin is recommended. [10:50:54] Arguments on the internet mostly consist of two gnats straining over a speck. [10:52:29] there is a draft code of conduct at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Code_of_conduct_(draft), FWIW [10:55:47] Lucas_WMDE, in your view would this comment be acceptable according to code of conduct: "Are you taking the piss? That won’t take you far on a collaborative project." [10:56:16] It seems like a legit question [10:56:37] if they think you're purposefully wasting time, it's a legit question, and a legitimate comment in context [10:56:39] dreamreal, sure ... [10:57:09] I mean, like... you're arguing about code of conduct on wikidata. ARE you taking the piss right now? [10:58:10] no [10:59:05] dreamreal, my issue is if someone reverts a bunch of my valid edits and then refuses to explain why and accuses me of vandalism [10:59:23] How do they know if they're valid edits? What are they edits TO? [10:59:58] dreamreal, wikidata [11:00:03] * dreamreal sighs [11:00:05] dreamreal, how do I know any edits are valid? [11:00:16] dreamreal, should I just go rever manually all edits I don't understand? [11:00:20] or don't know if they are valid? [11:00:21] okay, that was a dumb response. We're in #wikidata. I *assume* they're edits to wikidata. [11:00:27] dreamreal, okay [11:00:36] I'm trying to assess for myself the nature of the edits and the argument. [11:00:44] Is this over the iphone classification? [11:00:52] dreamreal, example: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q147778&oldid=prev&diff=1011229368 [11:00:56] dreamreal, well that also [11:01:14] dreamreal, that may have been wrong, but far from clearly so and not vandalism [11:01:25] but the liver thing is literally an example of afflicts [11:01:29] so not sure how it is wrong [11:01:32] well, remember that you're editing an *ontology* [11:01:44] dreamreal, I am yes [11:01:57] and unless you are very clear on the nature of how the ontology works, there may be implications in edits even when they make sense [11:02:21] dreamreal, I'm fully willing to accept my edits as wrong - and the iphone one is a bit tricky which is why I started a discussion about it [11:02:46] that "liver cirrhosis" afflicts "liver" seem really much more clean cut [11:02:56] and I'm still even willing to entertain some discussion there [11:03:10] sure. But what do other such diseases in the ontology model? [11:03:27] I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong... but it's an ontology, and a fairly mature one [11:03:48] dreamreal, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P689#Clarification_regarding_purpose [11:04:09] sodium cyanide exposure (Q21175308) Trinitrotoluene exposure (Q21175396) and rheumatoid arthritis (Q187255) all use afflicts in the same way [11:04:37] well, okay. If it's me, I'm using that as backing information, and gently persisting. *shrug* [11:05:31] I would like to aslo but if the behaviour of someone is FU instead of open to having a discussion then it is not really clear to me that it makes sense [11:05:44] it seems that behaviour exclude people who geniunely wnats to contribute [11:05:50] It happens. [13:29:23] There's a bot that is making new items too quickly causing disruptions in the system: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewPages Is it okay if I block it? The operator seems unresponsive: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer [13:33:32] Amir1: Having a look [13:34:30] Amir1: Now the dispatch lag is normal, isn't it? [13:35:20] Or did you mean other disruptions? [13:37:00] Hm, it seems the publication titles aren't quite accurate :/ [13:39:28] Amir1: I'm not sure what you mean but you can do whatever you think, I'll be fine with it :) [13:39:33] classic problem, user has been warned thousand times [13:40:14] LargeDatasetBot is also editing with 180 edits per minute, adding 1.1 GB in the last six hours. [13:40:45] oh, that is him [13:41:39] why do some users need 10 accounts... [13:44:42] sjoerddebruin, better to ban evade with [13:45:38] can anybody give some input here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Clarification_regarding_purpose_of_afflicts_(P689) [13:47:51] Blocked [13:53:05] Amir1: I believe the system should itself impose the necessary limits to avoid disruptions, would that be possible? [13:58:45] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221774 [14:01:11] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @amir1 & @nuria - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [14:17:53] dreamreal, are you admin? [14:18:21] no. [14:18:26] I already pointed that out. [14:29:01] sjoerddebruin: Thanks :) [14:29:39] But does this only break the Query Service or other services too? [14:34:01] abian: there's several ways that too fast edits can affect our infra, some of them are already won't allow people to make so fast, some of them can't :( [14:35:54] abian: this issue is not dispatch lag, it's too much pressure on network and db [14:37:06] Okay, Amir1, thanks! [14:37:35] Then I do think it would be positive to configure more restrictive or harder limits [14:37:40] Thank you! [14:51:10] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @amir1 & @nuria - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [16:05:36] John Sowa is Teaching about Knowledge Graphs today https://zoom.us/j/689971575 (yes right now!) [16:43:08] hi is there a problem with structured talk? getting "[XXkjVwpAAEQAABxGHLgAAABL] 2019-09-11 16:39:51: Fatal exception of type "Flow\Exception\InvalidDataException" " [16:43:55] link? [16:44:03] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Slowking4 [16:46:03] thanks and here, which is not appearing in the queue https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:V73q4742vi3wb49x [16:48:08] something is broken there indeed [16:48:36] kiwi_71: any idea if this happened earlier already? [16:49:04] not a graceful recovery from this beta feature, and does not interact well this template [17:11:29] jeblad: see https://github.com/wmde/Number [17:18:58] benötige dringend Informationen zu Spurenelementen/Need informations of spurenelementen [17:20:30] brauche infos zu spurenelementen bis 19.30 [17:24:52] hi [17:45:32] i need informations for Spurenelemente [17:48:22] hi [17:52:10] hi again [17:54:45] i need an anwser [17:55:17] hi [17:55:43] # answer i too [18:24:27] sjoerddebruin, on a more serious note though about the multiple accounts, at least two makes sense [18:24:33] keeping one pseudononymous [18:25:37] like I wanted to make a note on female (Q6581072) talk page that it should maybe not be both gender and sex but only sex - then I thought better not taint myself [18:31:54] there really is an insane amount of gender sex confusion on wikidata [18:31:59] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21 [18:32:31] seems like if Andreasmperu wants to have a go he can have a go at cleaning thaat mess up [18:32:55] I remember how sex and gender was not the same thing [18:33:12] And how the real issue was that people were confusing gender for sex [18:33:19] and if we just stopped the whole world would be better [18:33:38] Good old days [18:38:27] It's like that point in our civilization where we just give up all pretence at eating healthy and instead claim the fluride in the water is what is causing diabetes or someshit [19:01:14] Should nervous system (Q9404) have part of (P361) human body (Q23852): https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Should_nervous_system_(Q9404)_have_part_of_(P361)_human_body_(Q23852) [19:26:23] is there some attempt to document the orthography of wikidata? [20:01:46] am I wrong about this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q171283 ?