[09:44:39] hmmm, dispatching got slow, so bots are going to be slowing down a bit right now it appears [10:09:51] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6394 got added now - does anyone know if there's a bot already adding library identifiers from VIAF to which I could send a PR to add this too? Or do I need to write my own bot? :) [10:10:02] (both are fine, but the former would probably be faster :) ) [10:31:13] Found one, let's see if they accept PRs [10:57:14] reosarevok: otherwise ask multichill [14:05:56] anyone here involved in @ROR (ror.org)? [14:06:27] it's a rhetorical questions: congrats, great work and pleased to see Wikidata prominently there! [14:08:17] * egonw is now looking if we already have a property for ROR identifiers in Wikidata :) [14:24:07] egonw: what do they do? [14:46:32] ROR is the ORCID but then for research organizations [16:15:04] Lucas_WMDE: any idea how to get https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin/Vermoedelijk_dode_mensen_op_nlwiki working again? [16:22:39] sjoerddebruin: what’s the problem? [16:22:43] query timeout? [16:22:48] Yep [16:26:47] too many items. [16:27:03] sjoerddebruin: this one completes in 50 seconds: http://tinyurl.com/y9nqr3mj [16:27:10] just setup your own query server with local data dumps and query those O:-) [16:27:15] the main change is the schema:isPartOf to match the wiki (instead of the substring match) [16:27:30] I also changed the OPTIONAL+FILTER(!BOUND) to MINUS, not sure if that helps [16:27:50] actually, the two PREFIXes are unnecessary: http://tinyurl.com/ybaqohoh [16:28:57] Thanks, it's some ancient query... [16:29:18] and now run it on EN... [16:29:56] I wonder how many % of items with nlwiki sitelinks i've edited... [16:31:29] likely many. [16:32:45] Hmpf, listeria doesn't seem to like it yet. :( [16:32:48] i tried to get a list of humans that didn't have an english label. and i failed :D [16:34:12] and now it suddenly does [16:34:47] yay [16:36:17] do you have any ideas? (: [16:36:17] time to murder some people... [16:38:33] SothoTalKer: for finding humans without en label? no, I don’t know any way to do that efficiently [16:39:15] i guess i will just do it in chunks then. [16:39:43] getting batches of like 10k [16:39:56] fixing them will take long enough anyway. [16:40:54] Lucas_WMDE: Did you deactivate ? [16:44:50] uh [16:44:51] no [16:45:02] I think I moved it to the new Toolforge grid a week ago or so [16:45:09] * Lucas_WMDE investigates [16:45:16] reosarevok: congratulations on your accepted proposal ;) I'll incorporate it in my fork of Authority_control.js (: [16:45:44] go lucas go [16:45:47] *trumpet solo* [16:45:56] :) [16:46:15] SothoTalKer: does that mean I don't need to PR elsewhere? Because I sent one to VIAFBot, but [16:46:22] Or what's your js? :) [16:47:53] reosarevok: it's a fork of a gadget by Magnus for adding AC data semi automatically: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sotho_Tal_Ker/authority_control.js [16:48:34] nifty [16:48:41] SothoTalKer: sounds neat! How did I use this stuff again? :D [16:48:56] needs a better interface imo [16:49:19] --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- [16:49:25] does it tell me where the startup logs are? of course it doesn’t [16:49:28] grr [16:50:13] have you tried turning it off and on again? [16:50:28] sjoerddebruin: most stuff are just some hacks. :) [16:50:41] doing that right now [16:51:25] reosarevok: you add the script to you common.js: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sotho_Tal_Ker/common.js [16:51:35] ah, the logs are in the same file, just at the top [16:51:44] then you find it in the left menu. [16:52:10] Oh, that was the place [16:52:20] (I actually have some stuff there, I just forgot where "there" is :D ) [16:52:53] harmonia's namescript at least :) [16:52:59] sjoerddebruin: i made some little changes to the interface, like making it bigger and making the Items bold and a link for easier checking which result is correct. but still a bit clunky. [16:53:24] wish every gadget and script was OOjs UI now but meh [16:54:27] reosarevok: you could also add it to gobal.js on meta, but since this script is WD-central, common.js is better. :D [16:54:54] SothoTalKer: add it so I can test! :p [16:55:02] (It doesn't let me change your code, rats!) [16:55:25] Also huh, the thing does not check which IDs are already present? [16:55:45] Oh, in theory it does... [16:55:46] sjoerddebruin: it’s back online, thanks for the notification [16:55:47] well, that code is broken (: [16:55:55] it wasn't me [16:55:59] (fortunately, past me documented how to set up the thing) [16:56:04] Is it also broken in the original? :p [16:56:04] uh [16:56:06] * Lucas_WMDE is an idiot [16:56:09] yes [16:56:13] abian: it’s back up, thanks for the notification [16:56:22] wtf me [16:56:33] Thank you :) [16:56:43] How do we indicate that someone is a idiot as a statement... [16:56:44] i mainly fixed it up, so that some missing ACs are added and made it more fit to my needs. [16:57:03] reosarevok: anyway, it's done for now (: [16:57:20] SothoTalKer: has quality: idiocy? [16:57:24] eh. sjoerddebruin [16:57:41] reosarevok: successfully added to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5879 ;) [16:57:44] "Lucas_WMDE is an idiot" → Then why do we have to ask you everything? :/ [16:58:05] sjoerddebruin: can you imagine the amount of shitty attack helicopter jokes if we had an “identifies as” property though [16:58:14] anyways, back to work [16:58:24] SothoTalKer: two different ones? Not a great start for the ID, sigh :p [16:58:42] one is in latin, the other in kyrillic. [16:59:04] Sigh. Ok [16:59:12] I wonder if that's a specific thing their IDs have [16:59:13] I'll go for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1552 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q795 [16:59:15] Should ask [16:59:33] sjoerddebruin: works for me. Use the log as reference? [17:00:25] don't think so. :) [17:02:31] Don't forget the qualifier https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P3680 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q57387675 [17:04:24] reosarevok: there's just one small problem with RERO IDs that VIAF sometimes spits out the wrong field, you you have to manually check it afterwards ;) [17:04:39] is wikidatafacts a pseudonym or alter ego... [17:05:03] also, that constraint on image :P [17:05:18] SothoTalKer: I wrote to the library to ask just in case :) [17:07:29] reosarevok: if it is by accident, they should be able to merge it. It could also be that VIAF accidentally linked them. [17:07:45] I mean, both are Goethe, so they look like they should be linked [17:08:04] Whether they want to merge them or they knowingly keep them separate is a better question :) [17:09:37] time for salad [17:09:48] have a good nom nom :) [17:11:13] reosarevok: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5333 also has 2 ;) [17:12:17] one in kyrillic, one in latin script. so maybe it is intentional, or their merger did not take this into account. [17:18:29] oh no [17:18:34] Well we'll see :) [17:19:20] not a big deal, any identifiers from our own DNB are a bigger mess :p [17:20:04] Are they? I always thought DNB was decent [17:21:29] reosarevok: yes and no. [17:23:29] GND was made to join the databases of then separate systems. :) [17:24:24] Merging is not THAT easy, it seems, so stuff like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26295731 happens a lot. [17:24:30] Oh, ok [17:24:45] Yeah [17:24:51] Our museums database is AWFUL for that [17:25:14] Each museum at least used to have different entries and barely any have been merged [17:26:49] have you ever dug deeper in the history of the classification systems? :D [17:40:55] SothoTalKer: maybe you want to add your use case to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167361 :P [17:43:55] hm, if two users make a difference? (: [17:45:31] I'd like to think that the more people who think it's useful and the more use cases there are, the more likely it is to happen [17:45:38] which is probably not true, but I can dream, right? :P [17:48:32] world peace seems easier to achieve :x [17:48:55] nah, it's not quite that difficult to do :P [17:51:18] Maybe it's possible to convince a researcher or student to work on optimizing the engineOC [17:52:27] We could go door to door giving leaflets about the WDQS ;) [17:52:41] *engine [17:53:46] just make it monetary worthwhile or put it on the GSoC list :p [17:56:36] Description of the task: "Please make WDQS faster, good luck!" [18:02:13] Hello I have a issue [18:03:34] Hello? [18:04:56] Hi, Nickjones101, feel free to explain your issue :) [18:09:59] Connection issue maybe :P [20:03:12] reosarevok: i have set the viaf link as formatter URL for now for ELNET, so that any added values will link to their VIAF entry. feel free to update it, once ELNET has decided what their permanent resolver will be. :)) [20:55:33] Took some time to find this back... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q273088&action=history [21:17:59] hey everyone! [21:18:11] im receiving error msg trying to create entities [21:18:35] [XEorOQpAICoAAKjk4r8AAAAQ] 2019-01-24 21:16:57: "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" [21:20:39] hmmmm [21:21:18] can an admin please look at these contribs: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Viapicante a ton of htem are utterly irrelevant entries with no actual encyclopedic use and half are people who will never be notable [21:22:19] they're in the business of uploading a ton of non notable shit https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Daniel_N._Butler_at_Griffith_Observatory_2018.png [21:23:20] hmm [21:23:55] o7 I think a nuke is needed at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Viapicante [21:24:19] yah...i'm tring to figure out what their end game is here tho [21:24:25] a notability-enforcing nuke, to be precise [21:25:38] Zeroth_: Are you trying to create Items or other type of entities? [21:26:03] albian: items [21:26:16] finllay after some tryes i managed to do it [21:26:26] but the software gave me that error msg several times [21:26:32] Good thing :) [21:26:44] yea, database magic [21:27:09] So you still don't know what the problem was? [21:27:44] i dont, no [21:27:56] but for the msg i can guess a database problem [21:28:01] :S [21:28:01] an exception of some kind [21:28:11] that lasted a couple minutes [21:28:54] We should open a Phabricator task copying the exception ID so that the sysadmins can investigate [21:29:14] ok, doing that. [21:29:26] Not being able to create entities looks very bad [21:29:42] Thanks :) [21:29:45] depends :p [21:30:13] Okay, if you're a vandal it might be cool :P [21:31:19] hehe [21:33:06] Praxidicae: quite bold claims you have made there. But please continue. [21:33:32] SothoTalKer: not really - they created hundreds of entries in wikidata that don't have any corresponding articles and probably won't [21:33:49] including one for 15 year old high schooler who has been repeatedly spamming wikipedia for years but in this case, several of them they hadn't even created on wikipedia yet [21:34:19] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q60550531 as a great example [21:34:58] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q60511072 a non existent film that doesn't actually exist outside of Shachov spamming shitty wikias :/ [21:35:26] one could say the same about the notability of journal articles, but those do not seem to be very much disputed. [21:35:33] almost every single one i've looked at doesn't have any corresponding article anywhere and has no indication imo that they would [21:35:57] SothoTalKer: yeah i'm sorry but a 15 year old high school kid who has 2 followers on youtube? that's not the same as questionably published material [21:36:50] The fact they don't have or aren't going to have a Wikipedia article doesn't necessarily imply it can't have a Wikidata Item [21:36:50] so because of 2 items created by this user you want to nuke all his edits. sounds great to me. [21:36:52] no [21:37:02] But yeah, the examples you're showing are clearly irrelevant :) [21:37:06] i'm saying that hundreds, if not thousands of their wikidata items for unencyclopedic nonsense [21:37:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q60511072 literally this doesn't exist outside of a hoax made from the mind of a child [21:38:16] In any case, for nuking we should know many more examples like those [21:38:27] put a RfD on there for being a nonexistant item [21:38:32] "Herbie: One Last Ride is an upcoming early stage student animated film in memory of actors Dean Jones and Ken Berry. " OMG [21:38:33] sure abian i'm actually working on it and double checking there are no corresponding articles anywhere [21:39:11] Great, Praxidicae, thanks! :) [21:39:58] there are a handful that they created that do exist but aside from that i'm having a really hard time finding the others and having a hard time verifiyng outside of wikipedia projects that they're anything more than someone's garbage creations [21:40:18] SothoTalKer: RfD does exist [21:41:10] Zeroth_: Did you open the task? If not, do you want me to do it? [21:42:00] abian, please do it [21:42:09] Okay :) [21:42:20] say it lasted around two minutes [21:42:48] and i was using the normal https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem page [21:43:02] not some openrefine or quickstatemets cheating [21:43:05] :P [21:43:23] thankyou [21:43:29] SothoTalKer: they answered, said that currently it's like that - one Estonian, one Russian entry, but that they're actually working on changing that currently, and that eventually there should be only one [21:44:14] reosarevok: understandable :) [21:50:59] anyway, what i can see he mainly adds items from imdb. I don't see any issues except those non-existant items. But feel free to go full retard. [21:51:27] SothoTalKer: the problem with adding it from imdb is like the one i linked above, several are outright hoaxes or fabrications [21:53:09] i can understand the issue :) [22:59:14] meh [22:59:16] https://viaf.org/viaf/44340973/