[08:45:05] If you die two months later due to the effects of some ballistic trauma, is it still considered murder? [08:45:23] How do we model deaths with "effects of"? [08:49:16] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P509 says "underlying or immediate cause of death", how do I indicate that it was not direct? [09:22:08] sjoerddebruin: depends what the sources say? and I have no idea how to model "due to the effects of" [09:22:46] nikki: source says "died of his injuries" [09:43:50] then it doesn't actually say it was murder, so I wouldn't enter that [09:45:36] nikki: it's preceded by "who has been attacked on" [12:52:50] sjoerddebruin, nikki, that is a wonderful example of things that are difficult to model. Many causes of death are determinable, but there are a few that are unspecific or assumed to be the effects of an incident that happenen long ago. [12:53:27] Just like children born after the father died. [12:53:56] For example, the student protester Rudi Dutschke in Germany was shot at. He lived, but was handicapped and died 11 years later [12:53:58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudi_Dutschke [12:54:37] sjoerddebruin: That is slightly different, as the father is the giver of the genes :) But we often also don't know who the "real" gene-giver is .... [12:55:30] I would probably expand P509 to include "probable" cause of death [12:55:44] But that might spark a loooooooooon wikidiscussion :) [12:55:49] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1479 [15:12:42] Lucas_WMDE: did you have a way to list lexemes by language, or am I imagining things? [15:13:53] I don’t think I had a way to do that… [15:14:07] but I think fnielsen’s Ordia supports its [15:14:09] * it? [15:14:23] and also, Special:WhatLinksHere/$itemIdOfLanguage should work now, I think [15:14:27] at least for recently edited lexemes [15:15:27] nikki: https://tools.wmflabs.org/ordia/language/en vs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q1860?namespace=146 [15:17:28] whatlinkshere only works if I know what language to look for, and reosarevok was having trouble with some lexemes not showing up there [15:18:31] anyway I guess I'm imagining things then >_< [15:19:11] I was actually wondering if it's possible to make some stats of how many lexemes we have per language (and which languages we have) [15:19:49] nikki: oh wait, did you mean this? https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/28438 [15:20:19] (tweet: https://twitter.com/WikidataFacts/status/1020680646509948928) [15:20:21] possibly [15:20:32] yeah that looks familiar [15:20:56] but that uses the same data as Special:WhatLinksHere, so it’ll still be incomplete [15:21:35] “some stats of how many lexemes we have per language (and which languages we have)” → https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Lexicographical_data/Statistics [15:22:11] it’s not pretty (the Lua code gets the JSON of all lexeme pages, parses all of it, then aggregates the statistics – takes ~10 s), but it works ^^ [15:22:18] thanks :D [15:24:23] I guess the lemma language isn't in quarry? [15:26:07] I’m not sure what you mean, but probably not [15:27:03] when we create lexemes there are two languages, an item and a language code [15:28:25] and I've noticed they can be completely unrelated, like a lexeme with the language item proto-germanic and language code ru [15:28:50] usually it seems to know which language code to use, but not always [15:29:37] the language code seems to be linked to the lemma and the item to the lexeme [15:30:03] well [15:30:12] the lexeme has both a language item ID and a language code [15:30:21] but the language code is usually derived from the language item ID [15:30:31] and then each lemma can have a language code as well [15:30:46] usually the first lemma will match the lexeme’s language code [15:30:50] but I don’t think that’s enforced [16:03:57] sjoerddebruin: Eewwww, the German translation was wrong. But that is a good property! [16:07:35] Lucas_WMDE: I'm assuming it's not enforced, that's why I was wondering if it's also available in quarry :) [16:09:40] no, it’s not available [16:09:54] only the language item ID results in an entry in the links table [16:11:12] ok [19:49:56] addshore: maybe bring the bot back to #wikidata-feed, they switched to dicks and goatse [20:33:13] Sexy. [20:33:49] We ended up changing our channels so only people logged in can post, and only a few ops get to see the dicks [20:33:56] But still annoying. Wonder if they'll ever get tired