[08:19:24] why are dates in wikidata preceded by a + in the API +2010-07-08T00:00:00Z ? [12:54:39] davidwbarratt: possibly because it also allows negative dates for bc, not sure though [12:54:53] oooo [12:55:06] that would make sense [15:08:55] hmm... [15:39:27] ahoy! [15:39:29] TADA [17:10:18] how can i add some information, for example, marriages, when the partner is not notable enough to get its own Q? :-p [21:12:57] SothoTalKer: there's a good argument for notability for structural reasons if one of the people is notable for non-structural reasons... you could also add a statement with somevalue instead of an item and a name qualifier (which would probably work quite nicely if all you have is the name) [21:14:46] can you add a statement with a custom value that is neither empty nor unknown and not a qualifier? [21:14:56] personally if the person is no longer alive (so there's no potential blp issues) and I can reference the statements, I don't see why we can't add items for them [21:15:52] take https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Flach [21:18:48] if the wifes have nothing else notable than being the wife, i don't know if adding them would be ok by the notability rules [21:21:09] what's displayed in the ui as "unknown" is what I meant by "somevalue"... which is unknown in the sense that we know there was a value for it but not what the value is, which I think works if we know the person was married but don't know which item it is [21:22:26] well, the persons he was married to are known [21:23:56] but not which items, you can't enter an item unless you know which to use, so it's unknown in that sense (which is why I think it works well if you only have a name) [21:24:07] anyway I'm pretty sure I've seen other people do that. don't think I've done it myself yet [21:26:14] and structural reasons (#3 on the notability page) would cover it, since that's about being able to make statements on other items [21:39:06] why isn't there a property for grandparents or uncles/aunts? :D [21:39:59] with 'structural reasoning' you could import the whole geni.com database :D [21:46:58] technically it doesn't exclude creating items for structural reasons for items which already only exist for structural reasons, but in practice it wouldn't be acceptable [21:48:33] especially not on a large scale [21:49:51] I think the main issue with grandparents/uncles/aunts is that they're specific to a particular parent [21:50:13] i thought wikidata is about data ;D [21:50:19] Hi, can anyone help me with a pywikibot based wikidata-bot? [21:50:32] so ideally you link them via the parents, and there's a generic relative property which can be used if you can't enter the parents [21:51:07] A bot I'm working on hit some limitation of edits per time. We thought pywikibot should handle the rate-limiting for the bot, doesn't it? [21:52:00] I use min_throttle=1 and put_throttle=1 in my user-config.py and haven't had a problem so far [21:52:26] oh, actually it's "minthrottle" [21:52:29] how inconsistent [21:53:17] what's the difference between those two? [21:57:13] I'm not entirely sure, the descriptions in user-config.py say "Slow down the robot such that it never requests a second page within 'minthrottle' seconds." and "Slow down the robot such that it never makes a second page edit within 'put_throttle' seconds." [22:02:35] I'll give it a try [22:03:00] thanks nikki