[05:52:25] addshore: pingaroo [08:58:17] ¨hello world. Trying out the chat. Is anyone there? [09:02:43] hello world! Trying out the chat. Is anyone there? [09:04:25] hi [09:05:28] it's quite quiet here lately. I think quite a few of the more active people are at wikimania [09:05:55] Hi! I am an absolute newbie here. What kind of people hang out here? [09:06:05] what's wikimania? [09:06:36] Josefina: wikimania is a conference about all things mediawiki foundation related [09:06:45] https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org [09:08:09] @nikki cool. How long have you hung out here? [09:08:26] given that the wikidata docker image is currently at 1.30, I wonder if I can just mount a clone of the wikibase extension over the corresponding directory in the docker image, run the update, and see it magically work... heh [09:08:29] several years [09:09:22] Is there a reason we don't list reverse references on a item page? [09:09:49] you mean statements which link to the current item? [09:10:30] exactly. like it would be nice if this item (actress) would list all of the films she appears in, but that's a reverse reference https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q147077 [09:10:44] you might want to try https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/06#Announcing_derivedstatements.js [09:11:13] can you give me any tips on how to effectively interact with the wikidata community? I sse a lot of people posting questions here. How do people keep it organised? [09:12:33] Josefina: depends on what kind of interaction, probably [09:13:52] Well for example this chat right here. How do you do that thing where you write specifically to me? That looks cool. [09:14:48] usually you start typing the name and press tab, although I don't know if every chat program supports that [09:15:12] nikki: like this? [09:15:15] yep [09:15:19] cool! [09:16:39] nikki: can you write to two people at the same time? [09:17:16] nikki oh that's cool. I guess you wouldn't want to to go to the Los Angeles page and see a list of everyone who lives there, but it would be awesome if Wikidata (by default) just made links available to the reverse reference queries you can run and get results. [09:17:50] or even better, just ran the query inline and returned a list of other items [09:18:21] Josefina: yep you can tag multiple people at once. there's an IRC tutorial at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/Tutorial [09:19:46] Josefina: although https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Tips_and_tricks might be of more interest [09:36:27] Does anyone know if an imdb clone (using wikidata) exists? [09:44:20] I wonder if there's a word that covers both rivers and streams [09:44:40] watercourse is too broad, the closest I can think of is "natural watercourse" [09:45:50] In wikidata, there is languages spoken, written or signed [09:46:04] But it does not include [09:46:04] Solomon Islands Pidgin English [09:46:06] How to add this please [09:46:07] ? [09:46:12] davidwbarratt: i think wikidata contains a lot of the data about movies/tv shows/actors, but if you're talking about a user experience similar to imdb, i dunno [09:46:16] !admin [09:46:16] Please visit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:AN [09:47:07] dbs yeah that's what I was thinking, it's kinda hard to browse wikidata, for instance you can go to an Actor's item, but it doesn't list the movies they are in, etc. [09:47:43] I tend to use the "What links here" page for that [09:47:55] but yeah it's not ideal [09:48:07] nikki: "natural watercourse" sounds reasonable to me [09:48:31] Dis there is notable work [09:48:38] Dbs there is notable work [09:49:24] pintoch ooo! that's kinda cool, but yeah not as easy to read as imdb [09:52:05] there's a couple of generic tools like sqid and reasonator (e.g. https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid/#/view?id=Q147077 and https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q147077) that are easier for browsing [09:52:06] nikki: http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects/sh85114250.html says that stream, brook, and creek are just variants of "river" [09:52:47] davidwbarratt: yeah I was thinking you could surface the results of a few SPARQL queries, depending on whether you're looking at an actor or at a media item [09:53:03] yeah, several external sources don't distinguish between them, but we do, so it'd be nice to have a common parent I can use for referenced statements [09:54:00] dbs++ [09:54:16] nikki: ah okay. that makes vocabulary alignment a bit trickier I guess, but makes sense [09:55:36] usda vocab uses "inland waters" as the parent of rivers and streams, but that also include ponds and lakes as children https://agclass.nal.usda.gov/mtwdk.exe?k=default&l=60&w=133038&n=1&s=5&t=2 [09:55:59] Posted at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Main_Page#Include_a_value_for_%E2%80%9CSolomon_Islands_Pidgin_English%E2%80%9D_in_the_statement_%E2%80%9Clanguages_spoken,_written_or_signed%E2%80%9D [09:56:13] http://lod.nal.usda.gov/nalt/132583 is a nicer URL :) [09:59:05] aat has watercourse separate from rivers, streams, brooks and creeks which are all under "riverine bodies of water" [09:59:22] which seems odd [10:04:24] gnis only has stream, gns and geonames have stream and watercourse, dnb has fluss (river) and bach (stream) as subtypes of fließgewässer (watercourse)... [10:06:22] osm has stream and river and says "the commonly accepted rule for OpenStreetMap is that a stream can be jumped across by an active, able-bodied person" (which is how I would use the words too)... I suppose they would use waterway=yes for watercourse [13:11:47] I guess watercourse is appropriate if a river is dry part of the year? [13:17:00] I'd translate stream as "Beek" in dutch, which is any natural watercourse shallow enough that you can wade through it anywhere. Whereas rivers may may have spots where you can wade through to the otherside, in general you cannot. [13:20:11] In dutch it seems we have more words for man made watercourses. From small to large: greppel, sloot, gracht (or singel), kanaal. [13:20:30] singel or gracht is also the word used for moat. [13:22:13] can't imagine why dutch would have lots of words for man made ones :P [13:22:18] :) [13:22:25] english seems to have lots of variants for streams [13:22:28] yeah [13:22:39] beck, brook, creek [13:22:59] the words tend to be quite regional [13:24:58] * kuno learns the word ford [13:25:53] https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/stream-name-maps-united-kingdom I like this [13:26:50] :) [14:07:26] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings#Shall_we_introduce_properties_indicating_copyright_status [14:07:38] this discussion is stalled [14:08:03] but we need a property for copyright status [14:11:21] feel free to create a new property proposal for that, maybe? [14:12:39] yeah, no amount of discussing will cause the property to be created unless someone makes a new proposal [14:12:58] ideally addressing the issues that caused people to oppose the one from a couple of years ago [14:21:49] nikki, I don't understand why it was declined [14:22:23] it seems obviously needed to me [14:22:28] mainly because the proposal was unclear, as far as I can tell [14:26:45] e.g. one of multichill's comments was "Such a property can be added only if it's extremely clear what is valid as object." but the proposal was never updated to make it clear what the valid values are [14:29:56] if the only valid values would be "public domain" and "copyrighted", then a new proposal can (and should) say that [14:30:15] ok [14:30:39] I never made a property proposal [15:28:17] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/copyright_status [15:29:25] nikki, I am not sure what should be under "datatype" [15:29:45] item (you want the values of this property to be items) [15:30:29] yannf: also, you could add a link to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings#Shall_we_introduce_properties_indicating_copyright_status [15:31:22] and maybe ping the people who were involved in this discussion (from the new proposal), as well as the ones involved in the previous property proposal [15:32:27] done [15:42:35] pintoch, where should I ping them? [15:43:49] yannf: ideally on the new proposal [15:44:20] you can also ping related wikiprojects at the same time (sum of all paintings) with the Ping Project template [15:57:54] why is the list of participants included??? [15:59:26] it's an annoying bug, I think [16:19:22] ok, noy my fault {:o) [16:19:30] not [19:30:04] hi there [19:30:59] I want to add a interwiki link to an anchor in a german wikipedia article [19:31:26] #wikipedia-en-help referred me to here [19:32:37] since I did not find any possibility to add this reference using wikidata, I did changes like other english wikipedia articles does. They were reverted https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coconut_water&type=revision&diff=850077330&oldid=850062191 [19:33:02] maybe you have a hint how I can use wikidata to get this interwiki link working [19:41:31] Natthawut1990boy@gmail.com​