[00:05:55] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1951 bytes in 0.101 second response time [00:09:26] busy :) [00:36:16] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1947 bytes in 0.064 second response time [06:39:19] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1967 bytes in 0.087 second response time [08:31:48] Change on 12www.mediawiki.org a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by Kghbln link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=2796640 edit summary: [+31] + cat, tweaks, upd [10:02:40] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1952 bytes in 0.084 second response time [10:30:20] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1962 bytes in 0.089 second response time [10:39:55] oh my... why??? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q88227 [10:50:40] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1945 bytes in 0.098 second response time [11:07:11] hi, is there someone who can connect these categories to wikidata per bot? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Rudolphous/NGC [11:23:14] Hi, Rudolphous :) [11:23:28] hello :-) [11:23:33] Any of them is connected? [11:23:51] this list all are not connected to wikidata [11:23:57] Perfect :) [11:26:17] I'll try to create the items with https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/ [11:26:33] oke cool [11:30:55] Rudolphous: Leave Mike Peel a message [11:31:02] He's working on that [11:32:22] He is an astronomer and has been making links between Wikidata and Commons, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pi_bot [11:35:47] good to know. we are missing a lot of links to wikidata. I thought this is a concrete place that can be done easily [11:36:03] a lot of rijksmonumenten are also not connected to wikidata [11:36:38] Hmmm... but that bot isn't creating Wikidata items if I'm not wrong [11:36:46] for example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Londensekaai_19,_Middelburg [11:37:05] I know, I should run that again [11:37:25] It's pretty easy to link up [11:37:32] I probably already have the script somewhere [11:37:41] Rudolphous: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:Haarlem/Grote_Kerk.map made it yesterday [11:37:54] if you can run that script I will place wikidata infobox items to them [11:38:20] Every subcategory of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten_with_known_IDs can be connected to Wikidata [11:38:31] (unless we have a gallery, but that's just a few cases) [11:38:48] yes I saw that list, but 80% of that list is not connected [11:39:04] like the first item [11:39:25] Given the number, it might be nice to design a new infobox for it and remove the local stuff [11:39:43] CREATE [11:39:43] LAST P31 Q4167836 [11:39:43] LAST Des "categoría de Wikimedia" [11:39:43] LAST Den "Wikimedia category" [11:39:43] LAST Len "Category:NGC 163" [11:39:45] LAST Scommonswiki "Category:NGC 163" [11:39:53] Like this? [11:40:05] abian: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q911306 now [11:40:06] *no [11:40:21] You would create tons of duplicates [11:40:47] No, I thought we wanted to create items for categories [11:41:00] They would be deleted as non-notable [11:41:45] this is what I was thinking: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q911306&type=revision&diff=688975990&oldid=605167038 [11:41:48] But do you want to add P373 statements or sitelinks? [11:41:58] yes [11:42:20] so I can create this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ANGC_163&type=revision&diff=304286451&oldid=258588659 [11:42:25] I personally don't like the idea of adding sitelinks to categories from items that aren't about categories [11:42:30] You can add either one and Pi bot will sync it if we don't have a conflict [11:42:32] But I assume that's too extended already [11:42:51] agree with multichill, Pi bot does the syncing [11:43:33] The status quo is pragmatic creation of category items and that seems to work out well for everyone [11:45:20] Yeah, but that status quo started since users weren't aware of the fact that categories are interlinked through certain items, and the other entities through certain others [11:46:10] No, we had quite a bit of discussion about it. You probably missed it [11:46:12] Rudolphous: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AOudezijds_Achterburgwal_27%2C_Amsterdam&type=revision&diff=304286967&oldid=213706809 [11:46:32] abian: P373 will work too probably for wikidata infobox [11:46:55] I doubt that Rudolphous, it needs a sitelink or a local Q id. [11:47:29] But it does work on items that are connected to a category, see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Grote_Kerk,_Haarlem [11:47:44] It follows https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P301 [11:48:46] Rudolphous: Herstel, zie https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AOudezijds_Achterburgwal_27%2C_Amsterdam&type=revision&diff=304287309&oldid=213706809 [11:49:24] But it does work on items that are connected to a category -> agree, P373 does not work [11:49:52] multichill: I missed the discussion when it was in progress, but read it later [11:51:21] Do you agree with that change Rudolphous? The address template is quite broken anyway. [11:51:46] Also working on adding https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P5208 to every Rijksmonument. That will give additional address data and shapes for every building [11:51:57] if the address is equal, yes for sure :-) [11:52:31] Yeah, probably requires a bit of checking [11:52:45] I strongly believe we shouldn't make Wikidata wrong so that one of its uses gets right instead of fixing that wrong use :/ [11:53:06] It's like changing Wikidata because a field overflows in Wikipedia, samething that I've also seen [11:53:33] Sure, but with the categories that still holds [11:53:53] multichill location template can be removed too, if the difference is a few meters [11:54:15] if the difference is too big, someone should check who is right: wikidata or commons [11:54:30] That's always an anoying thnk to check automatically [11:54:34] *thing [11:55:04] yes, I saw some categories with a warning that there was a too big difference. so probably there is a template for it [11:56:10] I'll just link stuff up first and see what happens ;-) [11:57:18] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1410960 is right as it links categories in the Wikipedias with the category in Commons, isn't it? [11:57:33] And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30 is right because it interlinks pages [11:57:46] yup [11:58:25] agree [11:58:59] but there are a lot of wikidata article -> commons cat links too [11:58:59] So what should we do when there's a "Category:NGC 170" and a "NGC 170" on Commons and on the Wikipedias? [11:59:13] Yeah, but that's wrong :( [11:59:30] abian: If a category item on WIkidata exists, link to that one. If that's not the case, link the COmmons category to the normal item [12:00:21] If a Wikipedia decides to create a category about the topic. A category item gets created, sitelink to Commons category moved there and the two items interlinked [12:00:25] That would leave the Commons page out [12:00:55] A gallery would trump the category on Commons yes, but Commons only has a few galleries and millions of categories [12:02:31] So let's do things wrong because there are just a few problematic cases :( [12:02:32] Rudolphous: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Erfgoed/Nederlandse_Erfgoed_Inventarisatie/Missende_commonscat_links yeah! [12:02:50] Not so excited about that but, if that's the consensus, I accept it :) [12:03:05] Otherwise we would end up with about 10 million new category items [12:04:06] We have also millions of items about papers that aren't linked with the Wikimedia projects anyway nor they will be [12:04:23] And that's okay and useful [12:04:30] Yes, these papers are problematic [12:07:50] back in a few hours, abian thanks for trying to add them. [12:08:49] No problem :) [12:17:56] Rudolphous: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill fixed up the bot [12:45:23] bleh [12:52:11] multichill: cool [13:00:00] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1974 bytes in 0.084 second response time [13:10:10] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1952 bytes in 0.075 second response time [13:32:41] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1959 bytes in 0.075 second response time [13:53:10] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1948 bytes in 0.073 second response time [14:17:50] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1968 bytes in 0.083 second response time [14:53:20] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1962 bytes in 0.085 second response time [14:57:48] Hey sjoerddebruin, still working on the items without claims? I noticed https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/NoclaimsBot also doing some of the nlwp items [14:58:14] multichill: combination of sickness and the lack of a good office chair spoiled my chances :) [15:06:19] Sickness? :( [15:08:25] I hope you feel better soon, sjoerddebruin [15:08:30] I'm almost better! [15:08:51] DanielK_WMDE infected me. :'( [15:09:19] :o [15:14:08] sjoerddebruin: We already dubbed him patient zero [15:15:06] Turns out we have over 30.000 categories for Rijksmonumenten these days Sjoerd. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill has been going on for hours [15:16:22] :D [15:16:46] Now https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements?refresh=30m&panelId=4&fullscreen&orgId=1&from=now-6M&to=now will go even faster [15:17:00] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1971 bytes in 0.089 second response time [15:32:58] sjoerddebruin: The massive paper import is probably causing that? [15:42:20] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1952 bytes in 0.120 second response time [16:50:00] you should avoid people with WMDE in their names at all costs [17:05:50] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1979 bytes in 0.102 second response time [17:11:00] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1973 bytes in 0.063 second response time [18:13:51] abian: any luck with the NGC? [18:23:55] RoanKattouw: I thought I had to abandon the task because the bots were going to carry it out [18:24:14] But I see I misunderstood something, heh :] [18:24:25] Sorry, Rudolphous I mean [18:31:38] multichill: probably [18:34:54] abian: if you can connect them that would be nice [18:36:34] Rudolphous: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel is the place to leave the message ;-) [18:36:44] Sure, Rudolphous, right now :) [18:42:40] Rudolphous: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abi%C3%A1n [18:48:28] thanks [18:52:30] You're welcome :) [18:52:38] Rudolphous: I've just added P373 statements [18:52:58] Tell me that sitelinks aren't needed }:) [18:53:44] if you can add them as sitelink as well that would be wonderfull [18:54:52] But... apart from my general disagreement :) there are some conflicts sadly [18:54:57] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10934 [18:55:05] For example, which links to a Commons page [18:55:41] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Messier_1 [18:57:52] yes that works [18:58:29] wikidata page -> commons page = ok [18:58:58] Yes, but the category is in your list :/ [19:00:54] "wikidata page -> commons page = ok", that's precisely how I think all sitelinks should work [19:01:22] oke removed two items from the list now [19:10:22] Rudolphous: https://www.wikidata.org/?title=User:Abián/NGC_Commons_cats&action=edit [19:10:47] your last edit looked oke [19:12:45] Cool, running then :) [19:13:58] thanks, what was the link you use to run these commands? [19:14:57] https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/ [19:15:34] and how did you convert all the articles to Q ids? [19:17:44] I used http://tinyurl.com/y84krek6 [19:17:44] why aren't the catalog codes properties on their own? [19:18:13] and all codes are mangled into one property with multiple statements. [19:18:57] sweet [19:20:15] nobody is gonna tell me, i guess :p [19:23:31] * abian knows nothing about galaxies :/ [19:24:35] everything where people are involved has its stupidities [19:26:18] adding infoboxes to them: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RudolphousBot [19:33:31] SothoTalKer: in general I think it's because some people want a few generic properties rather than lots of specific ones [19:35:29] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1981 bytes in 0.083 second response time [19:45:39] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1969 bytes in 0.069 second response time [19:57:46] nikki: but you should not have both kinds in one database o_o [19:58:22] that's what happens when a large group of people design it [19:59:55] define 'large'. most properties are discussed by not more that 10 people :) [20:00:54] bah, i'll just ignore those :D [20:02:43] it's not always the same people though [20:03:00] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1972 bytes in 0.124 second response time [20:14:07] hoo: Check out https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17457568 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17457569 [20:40:02] true :) [20:48:47] Hello I've got a question about wikidata property proposals. [20:50:00] If i want to propose a property for Sports stadiums where should i post them at places or at sports or both ? [20:53:02] it is an external link i am thinking about... [20:54:00] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1948 bytes in 0.073 second response time [20:59:46] hm... [21:01:01] i would go with sports [21:03:36] Hello I've got a question about wikidata property proposals. [21:03:40] If i want to propose a property for Sports stadiums where should i post them at places or at sports or both ? [21:03:44] it is an external link i am thinking about... [21:04:06] i would go with sports [21:05:32] thanks for your answer SothoTalKer [21:05:38] sport stadiums? [21:05:51] yup [21:06:02] We have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P115, not sure what you are looking for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P115 [21:06:20] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1978 bytes in 0.116 second response time [21:10:31] sjoerddebruin : not like that one, more like one for external link who can describe more of the different stadiums around the world [21:10:42] Oh, like some external database? [21:11:13] an example might work better than abstract information [21:12:10] yup have discussed it with UserThierry Caro at hes talk page here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro#Sports_stadium_properties_? [21:15:16] any comments [21:20:06] what kind of links are those? [21:21:44] mostly for footballstadiums and some are for long track speed skating rinks which some also are for football stadiums [21:25:29] but what kind of links, to what? :) [21:26:09] sjoerddebruin: i hate it how montly ranking is handled in wikidata :| [21:26:18] hm? [21:26:41] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95913 [21:26:59] that seems confusing to me [21:28:09] well, it's a monthly ranking, since that can change each month :) so it gets updated each month ;) [21:29:18] the funny part, if someone adds an older ranking it won't go to the top. [21:37:42] Heres a couple examples for wembley stadium london from two of them http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/eng/wembley_national_stadium and https://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/wembley-stadium-stadium-london-in-england.htm [21:47:00] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1953 bytes in 0.091 second response time [21:54:20] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1962 bytes in 0.076 second response time [21:57:25] possible, yes [22:03:09] and here it is for a couple of speed skating arenas http://www.speedskatingstats.com/index.php?file=rinks&rink=amsterdam-olympisch Olympisch stadium in Amsterdam, The Netherlands at SpeedSkatingStats.com and same arena at http://www.speedskatingnews.info/en/data/rink/NLOA/ SpeedSkatingNews.info [22:03:17] does wikidata only contain ways of editing arity 2 relations? [22:07:00] also I logical rules from ResearchCYC .. can they be used/edited in wikidata ? [22:11:15] example: rule(implies(and(isa(THING,UNIVCOL),relationAllExists(PRED,UNIVCOL,EXISTCOL)),trueSentence(exists(OTHER,and(isa(OTHER,EXISTCOL),t(PRED,THING,OTHER))))),iBaseKB,vStrengthNonMonotonic). [22:12:03] heh appart form relationAllExists/3 that one wouldnt be too bad to convert to RDF [22:14:05] i dont mind if internbally Wikidata has to store RIF.. as lo9ng as i can hide that from IKL users [22:15:05] mainly the default target user (like myself) would be familiar with IKL/CYCL/KIF and even PDDL [22:15:48] oh and expeclaly used to CGIF [22:15:58] oops oops i meant CLIF [22:16:53] http://www.jfsowa.com/talks/clintro.pdf [22:17:37] slide 18 like "(exists (x y) (and (Red x) (not (Ball x)) (On x y) (not (and (Table y) (not (Blue y)))))" [22:20:09] Standard for ISO Comon Logic is downloadable from http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c039175_ISO_IEC_24707_2007(E).zip [22:25:15] sjoerddebruin : what do you think of the external links ? [22:30:00] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1951 bytes in 0.090 second response time [22:47:30] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1967 bytes in 0.065 second response time [22:52:39] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1947 bytes in 0.091 second response time [23:46:38] sjoerddebruin : still there ? [23:47:40] or anyone else who have experience in requesting property proposals ? [23:59:03] TBloemink : could you help med in correcting some problems for me in my latest property proposal request ? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/StadiumDB_identifier ? [23:59:33] med -> me