[02:49:41] I have come across an issue which needs to be resolved. [08:36:33] Auregann_WMDE: sorry I was away from the internet ^^ [08:45:01] pintoch: no worries :) [09:01:21] Hi, I'm wondering what is the best practice to use Wikidata on non-WM mediawiki, Duplicating he database to a Wikibase repo seems like an overkill (Large storage scale, updates and so on), is there another way to use the like we use in Wikipedia? [09:02:03] use the data* [09:29:02] Terimakasih [09:33:09] Saya akan menonton dan semoga ini bermanfaat, selamat bergabung relawan dunia [11:07:48] What's the main Ticket for the outtake yesterday? I don't find it anymore… [11:09:27] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195520 [11:53:28] Display of Data from Wikidata in wikipedia-infoboxes isn't working – is this a consequence of yesterdays incident? [12:07:54] Nudin: likely [12:20:10] a lot of stuff has been disabled, i think [12:32:59] I'm confused by "representation" and "spelling variant"... that sounds like the same thing [12:34:53] septrillion: what's the issue? [12:35:04] and I already had trouble mixing up those two fields before without the labels being confusing >_< [12:35:18] Nudin: where? [12:35:33] nikki: ohnoes :D [12:35:45] but noted. maybe we can make it clearer [12:36:01] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage_Diskussion:Infobox_Software [12:36:06] Lydia_WMDE: ^ [12:36:18] also I entered a representation, left the "spelling variant" blank, and tried to save, and it told me it couldn't save because there needs to be a representation :P [12:36:48] Nudin: ok this should be fixable by calling the property by its ID instead of its label [12:37:21] nikki: uhhhhhh. ok that's confusing [12:37:52] perhaps it should default to the same language as the lemma, with a button to enable editing it, since in most cases it will be the same as the lemma? [12:38:06] yes it should. we have a ticket for it [12:38:13] oh good [12:38:19] want a ticket for the error message too? [12:38:28] if you could that'd be <3 [12:42:29] Lydia_WMDE: thx – works! [12:42:35] \o/ [12:43:49] Lydia_WMDE: here https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195581 :) [12:43:59] Thanks :) [12:55:12] hm... wonder what to do about genders that differ by region [13:09:07] nikki: das Cola vs die Cola :D You could create different Forms in the same Lexeme, and have a property about the gender or the article [13:09:46] die Cola! [13:09:49] :D [13:10:32] I was thinking more of something where the germans use one gender and the austrians use another [13:10:39] something like Joghurt maybe [13:11:49] but usually it creeps over into bavaria too, so it's not quite right to say de-de and de-at [13:13:47] nikki: well, if you want to be very precise, you could use the combination of language code and Q-id [13:14:14] http://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de/runde-4/f24a-g/ seems to suggest Joghurt is fairly clearly split [13:14:26] but Butter http://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de/runde-5/f15a-f/ is all over south germany [13:14:54] de-x-Q980 for Bavaria (although the feature is not completely available now, you can only enter mis-x-Q980 but it will be fixed soon) [13:15:20] the other option would be to have a property "place of use" or something like this [13:15:33] yeah, I was thinking something more like that [13:15:38] and then you can enter regions, even cities [13:15:50] and then when we have SPARQL we'll build maps :D [13:18:42] this doesn't solve der Blog vs das Blog though... [13:20:07] where there are multiple possibilities which aren't regional, I would just add two grammatical gender statements [13:36:35] DER blog / DAS blog? [13:40:45] hm? [13:47:30] nikki: btw I told you something wrong. de-x-Q980 already works, you can add it as spelling variant :) [14:40:43] any wikidata admins around? P883 was voted to be deleted a long time ago, and all the data been migrated to two new properties, but it is still there. [14:43:54] is there any way to get a list of lexemes in a specific language? I would love to see how RU lexemes have been setup [14:44:07] I even tried to do it via api [14:52:33] yurik: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P883 says it's still in use [15:01:38] nikki, of course - those are dup values of the new prop. I could clean them up of course, but I wanted to first mark the tag as deprecated, but jura1 rolled it back -- https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property%3AP883&type=revision&diff=682806840&oldid=682796338 [15:01:57] hence i'm really confused about the process [15:02:10] see the comment [15:06:17] that seems silly to me, the new properties were clearly intended to replace the old one, so the old one was essentially deprecated by the creation of the new ones [15:06:36] anyway looking at the delete request, my only issue is that nobody has made sure kawiki is aware that we're replacing it [15:07:20] i actually couldn't find their usage, but maybe you will? [15:08:48] having a look... [15:08:58] would help if I could read the georgian script [15:14:38] oh, right, you already commented on the template talk page on kawiki, would've helped if you'd mentioned that on the delete request :) [15:14:47] it looks like someone added it, but then someone else removed it again [15:15:12] https://ka.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%83%97%E1%83%90%E1%83%A0%E1%83%92%E1%83%98:%E1%83%98%E1%83%9C%E1%83%A4%E1%83%9D%E1%83%93%E1%83%90%E1%83%A4%E1%83%90_%E1%83%90%E1%83%93%E1%83%9B%E1%83%98%E1%83%9C%E1%83%98%E1%83%A1%E1%83%A2%E1%83%A0%E1%83%90%E1%83%AA%E1%83%98%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98_%E1%83%94%E1%83%A0%E1%83%97%E1%83%94%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98&diff=3294782&oldid=3284038 [15:21:47] yurik: closed the delete thing for you [15:23:06] nikki, 883 is not in that template anymore [15:23:23] yes, I just linked to where they removed it :P [15:23:40] Woah, the mailing list... https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-social-followers?panelId=1&fullscreen&orgId=1 [15:23:54] That seems weird. [15:24:30] nikki, thx!! [15:25:58] nikki, so what are the next steps? [15:26:44] delete the statements using the property and statements linking to the property [15:31:45] sjoerddebruin: there's been a huge spam thing on all the Wikimedia MLs recently [15:32:01] Ah, interesting. [15:32:03] hundreds of (probably fake) aol addresses subscribing to the MLs but posting nothing [15:32:23] I started hunted them but then I gave up, Mailman is such a pain [15:58:46] so whats up, everything back to normal, my friends? [16:04:36] nikki, i removed all p883 statements [17:28:37] So that's what enwiki does now, add local descriptions instead of fixing the ones at Wikidata? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abraham_Alewijn&curid=25902270&diff=842892021&oldid=783942971&diffmode=source [17:29:27] Even when the description is the same wtf https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominique_Tilmans&diff=prev&oldid=842724234&diffmode=source [17:30:16] sjoerddebruin: yes someone is on a crusade :( [18:15:29] so just warn him (: [18:35:27] Hello guys ! Can anyone tell me how to indicate that a give 'alias' is actually deprecated (i.e. the former name of a given wikidata entry representing an institution) ? [18:41:44] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195611 is that related to last nights? [18:42:43] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1947 bytes in 0.091 second response time [18:47:59] =o [18:48:26] Reedy: perhapos [18:48:27] perhaps [18:48:28] hmm [18:48:35] The stack trace is fucking huuuge [18:48:45] hm, can i remove references that only specify a birth year when i got another source that specifies the full date? O:-) [18:49:12] Reedy: paste bin? [18:49:19] It's on the task [18:50:20] Reedy: ack, in log stash i see an increase in those, but not matching the time of the other issue [18:51:09] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MHI3Cm0C/image.png [18:51:09] Reedy: ^^ [18:52:50] The serialization "L1041" is not recognized by the configured id builders [18:52:54] Reedy: a lexeme issue [18:52:59] Lydia_WMDE: ^^ [18:52:59] lol [18:53:02] ffs [18:53:03] why [18:53:14] huh? [18:53:22] they should not be able to use them on the client [18:53:38] Lydia_WMDE: hmm, indeed, it might appear something has been missed? [18:53:39] are they still? [18:53:47] *nod* [18:54:01] lexeme is not loaded on clients [18:54:13] that might actually fix this issue, but I didn't think that was planned [18:55:16] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q31487&diff=684868398&oldid=684868351 [18:55:25] a lexeme was added as part of a statement on the item? [18:55:34] (on the item linking to that page giving the exception) [18:56:12] ahhhhh [18:56:13] damn [18:56:17] yeah that might explain it [18:56:40] because it probably doesn't know how to handle that [18:56:43] yup [18:56:47] and the module might just iterate over everything [18:56:54] can hunt for occourances, remove them and make an abuse filter for now? [18:57:14] *nod* [18:57:27] I'll create a ticket for handling this better? [18:57:36] Lydia_WMDE: yes [18:57:41] k [19:00:34] this week has been .... [19:02:03] heh Lydia_WMDE i can reproduce that other issue on my chrome account logged into my staff account! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CSvnoogI/image.png [19:02:09] T195615 [19:02:11] T195615: handle use of statements linking to Lexemes (and Forms?) more gracefully on client - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195615 [19:02:25] addshore: hah! finally ;-) [19:02:50] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracovie is alive again after removing the statement [19:02:58] \o/ [19:02:59] I'll go looking for other culprits [19:03:03] thanks! [19:03:24] Not really sure how to notify people, I would add something to my edit summary, but can't.. :P [19:03:53] :P [19:04:11] you could have undone the edit and left a summary [19:04:15] but whatevers [19:04:31] and yeah this week has been a rolercoaster -.- [19:04:45] Lydia_WMDE: oooh, that would have been clever/... [19:04:58] ;-9 [19:07:18] Anyone here good with AbuseFilters on Wikidata? :D [19:13:58] Reedy: how easy would a query be listing all links from one namespace to another? :P [19:14:22] We don't store both NS in the link table do we? [19:14:31] *looks* [19:14:46] nope [19:14:46] You'd need to join the page title [19:14:52] wait, yes [19:14:59] -- Namespace for this page [19:14:59] pl_from_namespace int NOT NULL default 0, [19:15:00] pl_from_namespace and pl_namespace [19:15:03] pl_namespace int NOT NULL default 0, [19:15:03] pl_title varchar(255) binary NOT NULL default '', [19:15:18] so pl_namespace != pl_from_namespace [19:15:20] or <> [19:15:24] choose your poison [19:18:16] awesome, got all 3 occurrences :) [19:23:43] Hello guys.. I'm adding national institutions to Wikidata and I'm bothered with institutions whose name changed across its life. [19:24:10] I've seen entries in which everything was merged together (with different names as aliases) [19:24:24] but now I wonder how to set a "creation date" for such entries [19:24:26] any idea ? [19:24:49] do you have an example? [19:25:05] probably "inception" for when it was originally created, then "official name" with start/end dates for the different names [19:25:55] SothoTalKer: I do, but it's in french: Q1339583 [19:26:04] nikki: Oh. That'd be a way indeed \o/ [19:26:24] I never added qualifiers, I'm going to give it a try [19:26:33] it's fairly easy [19:27:20] i think you can also specify a language for the name, yes? [19:27:57] acutally you have to. [19:29:08] Done: Q54165936 :-) [19:29:56] I am adding plenty of those commissions/councils. It'd be very cool to have all our national institutions organized somewhere [19:30:43] you can also make the now current rank "preferred" [19:31:02] *now current name the preferred rank [19:31:45] Err. I don't think I know how to do that [19:32:08] Oh. Right. [19:32:12] Property Rank, value 1 [19:32:15] look at the 3 blue thingys to the left of the name :) [19:32:52] Ohhhhh, so cool ! Thanks ! \o/ [19:33:31] Lydia_WMDE: finished https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195611#4232621 [19:33:35] Reedy: ^^ [19:33:51] I'll let you choose if that ticket should stay open or not, as the individual page is fixed, but the issue itself is not [19:34:25] ncohen: you can read more about ranks here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Ranking if you are interested. especially when you add multiple statements [19:36:17] addshore: \o/ [19:36:33] Lydia_WMDE: right, nothing else is allowed to happen ;) but feel free to poke me if it does! :D [19:36:41] lol [19:36:43] ok [19:39:06] SothoTalKer: Oh, I see. It seems from your page that I shouldn't have flagged the former name as "deprecated" [19:39:15] I'll set it back to normal. I entered the actual dates anyway [19:39:49] Reedy: I'd say let's close your ticket. I have moved my ticket to the top of the queue [19:39:53] right. normal for 'older but correct' statements :) [19:40:11] That's actually a very bad terminology. The websites calls it "outdated" (well, the french version of it for me) though it seems to be intended for "slightly incorrect" values [19:41:06] Anyway. Fixed. And it's good that I know how to do that, for I'm swimming through old national commissions T_T [19:41:11] Thanks again ! [19:41:25] I still think it would help a lot if we "historical" as a rank as well [19:41:36] great :) [19:42:07] nikki: +1 [19:43:33] /msg wmopbot login 5b12e7d2b9 [19:43:45] accidental post [19:49:45] Lydia_WMDE: clients can access properties too? kind of? or not? [19:50:09] addshore: not with the parser funtion but i guess with lua [19:51:42] okay [19:58:07] Lydia_WMDE: done [19:58:09] * addshore is off [20:07:50] laters :)