[02:19:32] This vandalism stuck for an entire month: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q657881&diff=683582609&oldid=477572842 [02:22:26] Why? [02:37:58] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1970 bytes in 0.147 second response time [02:42:39] Why? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q657881&diff=683582609&oldid=477572842 [02:48:08] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1951 bytes in 0.110 second response time [03:00:19] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1970 bytes in 0.088 second response time [03:20:38] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1953 bytes in 0.112 second response time [06:05:39] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1968 bytes in 0.102 second response time [07:50:29] So, what happened? https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements?refresh=30m&panelId=4&fullscreen&orgId=1&from=now-6M&to=now [07:51:59] Ah. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Citationgraph_bot [08:02:08] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1969 bytes in 0.210 second response time [10:50:25] stupid icinga-wm bot [10:50:32] make so much noise [10:53:25] Yeah, that's the cause! [11:03:46] revi: :P [11:03:52] heh [11:03:59] I see you ;) [11:04:02] :D [11:04:26] is this (below ----) intended as such? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TwTCYyU6/image.png [11:04:46] what's supposed to be there? I cannot read it [11:05:14] hmmm is that not what you entered? [11:05:33] What I entered is {Korean} and {Verb} [11:05:40] and that's not what's supposed to be such in Korean [11:05:41] revi: aaah [11:05:50] so those are the labels of the items [11:05:56] in what language? [11:06:00] user interface? [11:06:05] I assumy UI language [11:06:07] *assume [11:06:17] then it's wrong in Lexeme interface https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rsPreZrk/image.png [11:06:23] looks fine with english UI :/ [11:06:24] the first line should be like ^ [11:06:32] then l10n bug [11:06:42] interesting [11:06:45] * revi opens phab [11:06:48] :D [11:07:02] addshore: what project do I have to use [11:07:27] lexicographical data [11:07:29] the tags for the project are #lexicographical_data, #lexeme, #wikibase-lexeme [11:07:46] thanks revi :) [11:07:59] ok I'll just blindly use all of them [11:08:08] or wikibase-lexeme [11:08:12] revi: they are all for the 1 project :) [11:08:15] LOL [11:08:19] just depends how many characters you want to type :) [11:08:25] oh yeah alias [11:11:19] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195359 [11:11:57] I'm now going to L17 dinner [11:12:28] BTW I think we should have NS alias `L` for `Lexeme` as in `P` for `Property` [11:14:56] pintoch: would you have a few minutes? :) [11:18:43] btw for lexeme - we need distinct entry for different lexical category (and link them via property), right? [11:20:03] woo Tpt[m] made one :D [11:20:17] and Amir1 ;) [11:20:50] yes, just seen your comment on Jura talk page [11:20:54] I have a list of 20 nice Persian lexemes to add [11:21:33] and I found my first big : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L47?uselang=fr [11:21:46] * bug [11:21:48] There is a problem with language name and unicode [11:21:50] I just pinged the property creators so they can create the needed properties [11:21:59] and will do official announcement asap :) [11:22:17] Tpt[m]: something like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195359 ? [11:22:27] revi: Tpt[m] yes that sounds like the same [11:23:01] revi: yes, thanks [11:23:12] I started my lexeme with "Eat" because I'm about to eat dinner [11:23:54] nice [11:25:00] it would be nice if the NewLexeme gave me some description https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cCwGgBWu/image.png [11:25:38] So do we need Special:NewLexeme in the sidebar at some point? [11:26:00] Maybe laterz [11:26:10] Yeah it seems like we should fine-tune things first [11:26:18] sjoerddebruin: in a few days [11:26:28] Feel free to ask me for that! [11:26:33] cool thanks [11:26:43] revi: yes I thought that also today [11:26:48] great [11:26:59] I needed to search via sidebar and there's another bug for Korean [11:27:11] which is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193486 [11:30:32] sjoerddebruin: yeah I'd like to wait some days. there is a ticket already for it. [11:31:39] addshore: “First”? really? [11:31:57] Lucas_WMDE: xD [11:32:05] it was decided at the hackathon [11:32:22] plus, i had to create something easy to test search before deploying ;) [11:32:58] :D [11:34:57] raz_WMDE: made one! [11:35:44] Lucas_WMDE: thanks for the capitalization fix [11:39:27] !!! supercalifragilisticexpialidocious !!! [11:40:12] addshore: go ahead [11:40:22] but I’m afraid I already created a longer lexeme :> [11:40:28] supercalifragilisticexpialidocious is L101 :P [11:40:35] Lucas_WMDE: Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz :P [11:47:05] "windsurf" :) [11:48:00] addshore: what is the limit anyway [11:48:12] sjoerddebruin: what limit? [11:48:30] Number of characters, same as labels etc? [11:48:45] * revi stole 100 [11:48:59] ahh yes, internally a Lemma is prepresented as a Term, so Term limits apply [11:59:57] limit can be changed/increased etc to whatever number is considered as reasonable value [12:04:07] Is http://wikiba.se/ontology-1.0.owl pending update? [12:13:05] abian: ticket pretty please :) [12:13:14] not on my radar yet [12:13:27] Okay :) [12:15:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195368 [12:16:36] (Not sure if pretty...) :) [12:20:17] thanks! [12:21:10] abian: that ontology is not going to change, but an owl file for the lexeme mapping will be added once that mapping has been specified and implemented. the current rdf representation of lexemes is just a stub exposing the lemma. [12:21:22] abian: https://www.wikidata.org/entity/L1.ttl [12:25:09] Good [12:25:27] So are they expected to be two independent ontologies? [12:27:56] Lydia_WMDE: No problem, and thanks for the fix right now, I was actually wondering the sense of having lemmas in so many languages while below just "English" is stated :) [12:28:43] ;-) [12:28:53] abian: would aprechiate it if you have time to look at some others [12:28:56] i'll also do it more [12:35:30] abian: I'm currently working on the implementation of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikibaseLexeme/RDF_mapping in this change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/433953/ [12:36:08] When it is going to be merged I'm going to to an other change to update the ontology [12:36:36] By the way, if you have feedbacks about the planned RDF model, now is the good time to give them :-) [12:37:18] well, a few weeks ago was an even better time to give them, no? ;) [12:37:32] yes [12:38:04] but the RDF mapping is not launched yet, so it's still easy to change things :-) [12:43:54] No suggestions for now, fortunately or unfortunately :) [12:44:19] I'm not an expert in semantic technologies either... [12:45:39] Lydia_WMDE: Okay, to create or to fix them? [12:46:32] abian: create or fix what? [12:46:39] sorry dealing with too many things :P [12:47:01] About "would aprechiate it if you have time to look at some others" [12:47:04] No problem :) [12:47:19] ah yeah fixing would be awesome [12:47:24] and creating if it makes sense i'd say [12:47:27] but up to you [12:47:34] abian: ok! We already asked someone from the Lemon/ontolex project but it is still nice to gather other inputs :=) [12:48:40] Okay, Lydia_WMDE, then I'll create a script, too lazy to check by hand :P [12:48:47] Tpt[m]: Great! :D [12:49:27] we are hopefully going to be the biggest implementation of the Lemon/ontolex model :-) [12:49:54] If you need more feedback and want me to contact some people at the university, tell me [12:51:00] If you have some knowledgeable people at your university, have some feedbacks from them would be great! [13:05:24] Yeah indeed [13:05:32] and the sooner the better [13:06:05] because since Tpt[m] has already been doing all of the groundwork basically i'd like to not delay finishing rdf support for too long [13:33:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L308 [13:33:50] Just "fiets", right? [13:34:22] yes [13:34:26] the others should be separate lexemes [13:34:37] Okay, thanks :) [13:35:49] "Lexical Category transport" :/ [13:36:54] :S [13:38:19] Is this Structured Wiktionary? [13:41:25] yes, the beggining of it (it's currently very limited compared to the Wiktionnary expressivity) [13:42:21] Exciting! [13:46:22] very! :) [13:49:06] is there a ticket for descriptions not being shown on special:newlexeme? [13:50:24] nikki: what do you mean? [13:50:44] when I write noun, I get "noun", "Noun", "Noun", "Noun", etc as options [13:50:58] ah, I see [13:51:10] I assume from the capitalisation that I want the first, but I can imagine it's not always obvious [13:51:22] nikki: I assume that’s https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165597 [13:51:40] yes, thanks [14:04:44] nikki: (diff | hist) . . (L340)‎; 13:55 . . (+351)‎ . . ‎Nikki (A) (talk | contribs | block)‎ (‎Created claim: audio (P51): En-uk-a cat.ogg) [14:04:46] woo! [14:06:16] hi :P [14:17:19] it's hard to know where to put certain statements... [14:17:39] such as/ [14:17:40] ? [14:19:53] I'm wondering where to put the kana version of a word in kanji [14:20:09] it could be another form, it could be a statement on the lexeme, it could be a statement on the form, it could be all three! [14:20:45] I guess for verbs, the kana version will change for different forms of the verb, so on the lexeme wouldn't be good [14:20:59] and I guess separate forms also doesn't link the kana and kanji together [14:21:58] oh dear https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L249 [14:22:06] it would be nice as well if the language fields would prioritise language items [14:22:20] when I write de for the language I don't mean germany :P [14:36:30] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 30 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @Tonina_WMDE & @Christoph_Jauera_(WMDE) - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [15:04:31] Help [15:39:18] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1983 bytes in 0.133 second response time [15:44:27] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1960 bytes in 0.099 second response time [16:06:47] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1973 bytes in 0.084 second response time [16:11:48] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1972 bytes in 0.082 second response time [16:24:07] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1967 bytes in 0.090 second response time [16:30:32] !log starting wikidata full reindex for T163642 [16:30:32] SMalyshev: Not expecting to hear !log here [16:30:33] T163642: Index Wikidata strings in statements in the search engine - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T163642 [16:59:27] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1940 bytes in 0.105 second response time [17:06:38] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1970 bytes in 0.116 second response time [19:06:52] Tpt[m]: So, if I have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L502 , how do I indicate it's equivalent to the English lexeme "platypus"? :) [19:08:04] (alternatively, how do I link it to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15343 ? [19:08:05] ) [19:09:57] Also, should there be a different item for, say, Estonian nominative case and Latin nominative case, or should they all be linked to "nominative case" as the grammatical feature? [19:10:37] reosarevok: I'm not Tpt[m], :) but I think we should have the section "Senses" and define a statement in it [19:10:48] But I guess that section isn't available yet [19:11:02] Yeah, it did say somewhere in the documentation that it is coming in the future [19:11:14] yeah, e. g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#The_first_release [19:11:28] Oh, I was going to ping Lucas but it's secret Lucas instead! [19:11:34] dD [19:11:39] * :D [19:11:42] the property you want already exists btw: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P5137 [19:11:54] you just can’t use it correctly yet [19:12:04] So I should or should not use it now? :D [19:12:15] in my personal opinion, you should wait [19:12:25] but I’ve already seen people use it in the lexeme statements :/ [19:13:32] k, wait it is [19:13:38] What about cases? [19:13:44] You're German, right, so you should know :p [19:13:56] Specific item for the language's case, or generic? [19:14:07] * reosarevok added a form but isn't sure if it's right [19:14:19] cases are forms [19:14:42] exactly [19:15:06] I created https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L88 earlier today, for example [19:15:24] eight forms for the combinations of four cases and two numbers [19:20:51] Yes, I understand this [19:21:03] Germans have it easy, only 4 cases... [19:21:36] My question is, should there be a specific case item for the genitive case in Estonian, different from the genitive case in German? (that gets linked from "grammatical features") [19:21:46] I'm not sure the same case really means the same thing in different languages [19:21:52] hm [19:22:04] I would be hesitant about creating that… feels like it makes data use more complicated [19:23:00] probably not, unless these are really completely different things (but then why would they both be called genitive case?) [19:23:04] Do we have a list of which cases each language has? [19:23:08] (items) [19:23:20] Oh, yeah, ok [19:23:27] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2989 it is :) [19:24:26] ’course we do http://tinyurl.com/y7vuqa9z :) [19:24:49] I guess it's reported that "Language" under forms should be a proper selector and not just "enter 'et', despite entering an item for the language just before? [19:25:04] In fact, why is the language requested if the lexeme is per-language in the first place? [19:25:22] reosarevok: the form could be a variant with a slightly different language, I think [19:25:24] hmm apparently Turkish has no nominative? [19:25:33] e. g. “colour” with language code en-gb [19:25:37] (but I’m not quite sure) [19:26:30] SMalyshev: hm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language#Nouns lists six cases… [19:26:59] yeah looks like that one is missing something [19:26:59] and that’s not including the one listed on Wikidata :( [19:27:22] heh [19:28:20] Different case, same string: new form? OR one form with two cases linked? [19:28:37] new form IMHO [19:28:43] Agreed, so yay [19:28:47] hooray [19:29:18] Any reason pasting Q857325 does not load "partitive case"? [19:29:44] once you press enter it does [19:29:52] but I guess that could be improved [19:31:07] Hope my whining is welcome as user testing :p [19:31:35] if you create the resulting Phabricator tasks yourself it’s even more welcome :P [19:31:48] Well, I can, I just dunno which ones still need to be created [19:32:03] So I can whine here, and you tell me if it's reported, and if not I'll do it ;) [19:32:57] all the existing tasks should be on here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/lexicographical_data/ [19:33:06] I searched for “feature” and none of the bugs with that in the title sound related [19:33:16] Ok! [19:34:41] Anyone want to try to see if they also have the problem in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195402 ? [19:35:01] I can reliably reproduce it but Leszek says it works for him [19:35:09] so would like some more people trying [19:35:15] Sure! [19:35:19] Thanks :) [19:35:29] Lydia_WMDE: can’t reproduce either https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Lexeme%3AL123&type=revision&diff=684030621&oldid=683982545 [19:35:30] oh hi Lydia_WMDE! [19:35:39] hey Harmonia_Amanda! :) [19:35:40] "derived from" is "Schnabeltier" comes from "Schnabel" + "tier"? [19:35:43] WikidataFacts: hmmmmm [19:35:53] reosarevok: I think so [19:36:10] "Handling of values for "wikibase-lexeme" data type is not yet supported." [19:36:19] reosarevok: stuff like good comes from old-english whatstheword?... [19:36:28] reosarevok: mpfh [19:36:30] thank you [19:37:47] WikidataFacts: can you try with the steps i have in the ticket? [19:38:33] Lydia_WMDE: works fine for me [19:38:40] SMalyshev: :( [19:38:43] thanks for checking [19:38:45] Lydia_WMDE: still works for me too [19:38:46] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&diff=684032503&oldid=683979231 [19:38:48] this is really weird [19:38:58] Nokkloomad! [19:38:59] Lydia_WMDE: go go team broken-for-us! [19:39:04] (or something) [19:39:06] reosarevok: lol [19:39:07] yes [19:39:10] that is so bizarre [19:39:27] very much so [19:40:08] * reosarevok sighs at the amount of forms Estonian has [19:40:16] team hangover-from-hackathon [19:41:20] haha [19:42:27] Lydia_WMDE: works for me in a normal tab, can reproduce it in a private tab [19:43:02] some deployment trouble? [19:43:20] nikki: hah! very good [19:43:26] SMalyshev: possibly yeah [19:43:29] my hunch now as well [19:44:16] There really needs to be a faster way to select things like "singular" or "plural" [19:44:17] I can’t reproduce in a private tab either… very confused [19:44:36] +1 [19:44:44] In fact, it really should use the stuff from "has the following cases" on the language to offer those too [19:45:31] *nod* [19:46:19] Harmonia_Amanda i heard u have birthday today? :p [19:46:31] SothoTalKer: it was yesterday actually [19:46:42] Harmonia_Amanda: Happy belated birthday! :) [19:46:47] today, yesterday, what's the difference (: [19:46:52] SothoTalKer: but I guess I can forgive the team for getting the gift out a day late [19:46:57] because LEXEMES [19:46:59] lol [19:47:02] <3 [19:47:20] i'm more the MEME than the LEXEME person :x [19:47:40] Lydia_WMDE: I decided the new calendar is: everything from September to December is for Wikidata's birthday [19:47:51] :P [19:47:57] i like your thinking [19:47:57] everything from April to July is for *my* birthday :p [19:48:05] perfect [19:48:19] WikidataFacts: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195406 [19:48:25] the rest of the time is for pretending we work without motivating events :p [19:49:04] Lydia_WMDE: there were too many kind people working with me to solve everything I needed, wanted, and didn't know I wanted, during the hackathon ^^ [19:49:13] \o/ [19:49:26] the best kind of birthday gifts :p [19:50:05] did you see the maps marius was working on? [19:50:14] yes! [19:50:16] and tpt on lexeme rdf support [19:50:19] and all the things [19:50:28] SMalyshev, WikidataFacts: should https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4668057 be merged into https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q156986 then? [19:50:42] Lydia_WMDE: WikidataFacts made me an off-browser version of my namescript! [19:50:51] awwwww [19:50:54] and Tpt[m] made me a databox [19:50:57] reosarevok: well it can’t be merged because both have enwiki sitelinks [19:51:02] Sigh :'( [19:51:04] reosarevok: tricky, since they have different sitelinks [19:51:30] I suppose we should avoid using the specific one? [19:51:57] I suppose we should have a clear list of dos and don'ts? (hint, hint) [19:52:02] (but yeah, probably) [19:52:09] Lydia_WMDE: and at the Women Tech Storm a week before, people debugged all my old python scripts!* [19:52:33] Harmonia_Amanda: hah! nice! [19:52:52] Wikidata is full of nice people :) [19:54:42] ages ago I suggested that we could have a special page for listing all lexemes matching a certain string, which would provide a more wiktionary-like view and which could be automatically linked with wiktionary pages using cognate... is that something that sounds interesting/useful and that I should go make a ticket for? [19:56:29] nikki: would that be different from special:search (once it works)? [19:56:40] Added https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195409 too FWIW [19:57:33] thanks [19:58:48] I think Special:Search only looks for matching entire words [19:58:51] it would list the lexemes by language in a consistent order and not be paginated, would have a nicer url and probably return fewer things than the search [19:59:33] e.g. in wiktionary, capitalisation and accents matter, but the search would ignore those [20:00:26] nikki: *nod* ok - ticket makes sense then i guess [20:05:05] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L502 - there, that's all the forms I think :D [20:05:27] (this could really use some nice table-like visualization) [20:05:34] reosarevok: no nominative singular? [20:05:38] (in fact, it could really use it for *entering* the data too) [20:05:46] WikidataFacts: L502-F2 [20:05:54] ah [20:05:56] sorry [20:06:04] hrm, the ordering of forms is very much not ideal [20:06:12] I thought there were only nine because -F9 was at the end [20:06:33] maybe you should make them F09 [20:06:55] no need to change the appearance, fixing the sorting code should be enough [20:06:55] Yeah, I'm not sure what the ordering should be [20:07:02] yeah we have a ticket for the ordering though it is a bit tricky [20:07:03] (easy to say when I’m not on the team working on lexemes :D ) [20:07:08] since the numbers don't really mean anything [20:07:10] I do know that the ordering shouldn't be just by number though [20:07:27] reosarevok: but now I see 29 forms and that also doesn’t feel right… a prime number? [20:07:37] How hard is it to sort external identifiers on alphabet? [20:07:53] WikidataFacts: there's two alternative, acceptable forms for singular illative [20:08:03] ah, interesting [20:08:18] let me see if i understand it correctly - for every word of any language you add a separate lexeme? [20:08:47] Yes [20:09:12] so house and Haus do get their own lexemes. :p [20:09:15] Yes [20:09:16] * reosarevok is a linguist and excited [20:09:52] (ok, "a guy with a linguistics BA" would be more honest) [20:10:05] and it's basically just a page that lists all possible grammatical forms. [20:10:10] For now [20:10:15] well no [20:10:22] both the lexeme and the forms can have statements [20:10:41] Can we have a preferred form? [20:11:03] Say, in the double singular illative situation: both forms *are* grammatically correct, but one is generally preferred [20:11:04] so it is basically wiktionary, just made into wikidata. [20:11:24] so, better. Because made into wikidata [20:11:26] :D [20:12:22] reosarevok: not sure how to model that… perhaps a statement pointing from the non-preferred one to the preferred one? (“why not use this instead”) [20:12:57] well, i might see the point sometime later, for now it does not intrigue me. [20:17:00] Good news is we have software to automatically create all forms for an Estonian word [20:17:20] Bad news is it seems to give extra forms that don't really exist :D [20:17:53] what do you mean *random string of letters* is not *really* in use? [20:17:55] :p [20:18:16] (we had a bug like that for a very short time in the Wiktionary) [20:18:27] (it was somewhat funny while it lasted) [20:19:57] For nokkloom it gives an entire separate set of forms based on a "nokkloomu" genitive instead of "nokklooma" [20:20:07] According to every Estonian I've asked, they just... don't exist [20:20:28] Lydia_WMDE: I created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195411 for it, if you want to check it [20:20:39] nikki: thanks :) [20:21:25] reosarevok: the obvious way to resolve that is to change the Estonian language [20:21:35] the computer is always right :p [20:21:47] I'm up for that, but those pesky native speakers might not be [20:21:48] start using them, then they exist! :D [20:21:54] so we don’t need to fix any of the bugs in WikibaseLexeme? :P [20:22:06] * Harmonia_Amanda feels there is a satiric short film about that somewhere [20:23:53] reosarevok: are you using chrome? [20:23:58] I am [20:23:59] WikidataFacts: you're using firefox iirc? [20:24:05] yes [20:24:18] * Lydia_WMDE checks in firefox if she can add lexeme values there [20:24:19] I was hoping it wouldn’t come to comparing browser versions :/ [20:24:24] heh [20:24:36] Works on Firefox [20:24:47] still works in Chromium [20:25:04] wtf [20:25:08] i give up for tonight [20:26:33] * reosarevok added derived to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L502 now at least :D [20:26:59] Although of course maybe that should be a different P for "composed of" [20:27:49] Do we have that? [20:27:53] doubt it [20:27:59] Should we have that? [20:28:03] I think it'd make sense [20:28:58] when I was adding "cat", wiktionary said it came from middle english "cat, catte" [20:29:02] which would be two statements [20:29:13] but that's not the same as saying cat+catte [20:29:46] Agreed [20:29:51] How do we propose more Ps? [20:30:04] Do we need to go through the standard WD system, or is there something specific for LexWD? [20:30:21] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Lexemes [20:31:33] "compound of"? "combination of"? [20:31:38] wow, that’s a long list already [20:33:24] nikki? :) [20:33:38] compound of sounds fine to me [20:33:43] it can be changed later anyway [20:34:20]