[09:15:13] <egonw>	 what's up with the news?
[09:16:06] <egonw>	 why does it not report the 47-, 48-, and 49 millionth item?
[09:16:30] <egonw>	 is there a reason for that? or just that no one did it yet?
[09:22:28] <egonw>	 ok, there were actually items in the full Wikidata:News page, but they no longer get transcluded to the front page...
[09:33:52] <egonw>	 so, the latest three news items don't have a <!--T:...> 
[09:34:06] <egonw>	 how is that added? is that the reason why they don't show up on the front page?
[10:20:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Just reverted a wrong edit of August 2016... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q179904&type=revision&diff=363373453&oldid=360398158
[10:30:25] <reosarevok>	 sjoerddebruin: fixed (lowercased) the Estonian label... I assume people haven't manually lowercased all labels in other languages, is there some bot for that?
[10:30:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think it mostly requires human logic.
[10:31:40] <reosarevok>	 Hmm, maybe. I would think all subclasses of common items (like this one) could be mostly automated, but dunno
[10:32:11] <reosarevok>	 (also, do you know the answer to egonw's question earlier? see log @ http://wm-bot.wmflabs.org/browser/index.php?start=02%2F18%2F2018&end=02%2F18%2F2018&display=%23wikidata)
[10:32:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 Some users complained that the news was boring.
[10:32:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 And I agree.
[10:33:14] <egonw>	 ah, makes sense... but should the Wikidata:News page then not say that the transclusion has been switched off?
[10:33:26] <sjoerddebruin>	 I'm going to take a look
[10:33:38] <egonw>	 thx!
[10:33:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, seems like someone is mass importing pages again. https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel?refresh=30m&panelId=16&fullscreen&orgId=1&from=now-30d&to=now
[10:35:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah. http://wikidata.wikiscan.org/?menu=live&filter=all&sort=weight&date=24&list=users
[10:36:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 (waiting for Wikidata to load, sometimes it refuses to load groups of websites...)
[10:40:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 ... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Translations%3AWikidata%3ANews%2F5%2Fnl&type=revision&diff=633016899&oldid=297426612
[10:40:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 Anyway, the main page shows the current version now but still against this boring news.
[10:40:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 The whole main page is actually boring besides popular items.
[10:40:59] <reosarevok>	 I like "Featured WikiProject", I just wish it didn't seem to always feature the same one :D
[10:53:44] <egonw>	 sjoerddebruin: thanks
[11:00:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh great, more cebwiki crap.
[11:02:25] <reosarevok>	 That's the bot one, right?
[11:03:26] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah
[11:04:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 Some of the stuff is logical though, but it's now somewhat being forced.
[11:04:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 (like the municipality != city thing)
[11:36:36] <J0llyr0tten>	 Hullo Wikidataians, did you see my comment above?
[11:36:40] <J0llyr0tten>	 “Philosophy is a subclass of Science … which is not true philosophically”
[11:39:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 So?
[13:04:12] <nikki>	 reosarevok: the problem is surely distinguishing which ones come under "can be mostly automated" and which don't
[13:05:10] <abian>	 J0llyr0tten: "science" is a subclass of "activity" (Q1914636) and of "knowledge" (Q9081), so you could state that "philosophy" is a direct subclass of both too (?)
[13:05:52] <nikki>	 I think the best option would be something like the wikidata game, where you're shown a label and the wikipedia extract and asked if it needs lowercasing or if it's an exception
[13:46:47] <reosarevok>	 nikki: hmm. I wonder if "list of items which start with lowercase in English, French, Spanish and Italian but with uppercase in Estonian", show all, check out the few that should stay uppercase, change the rest would work :p
[13:48:55] <nikki>	 one of the problems with that approach is the sheer number of en/fr/es/it ones which also need fixing :/
[13:49:42] <reosarevok>	 I guess, but in many cases those seem fixed when I come fix et
[13:49:46] <reosarevok>	 (not always though)
[13:51:13] <thib>	 are redirects as sitelinks allowed?
[13:55:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Allow_the_creation_of_links_to_redirects_in_Wikidata
[19:15:13] <zakharyas>	 is commemorates (P547) the right relationship for indicating what event or thing (for example Tenerife disaster, Q223288) a memorial (for example International Tenerife Memorial, Q6053896)?
[19:15:55] <zakharyas>	 +is for
[19:20:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yes. :)
[19:21:34] <zakharyas>	 Thanks--also, is it desirable to somehow add a reverse relationship to the item for the disaster itself?
[19:21:45] <zakharyas>	 and if so, what would that relationship be?
[19:22:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 That is not needed, it can be queried with our query service.
[19:22:31] <zakharyas>	 Thanks :)
[19:22:37] <zakharyas>	 Now I just need to create a Wikidata account
[19:22:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 :D
[19:37:57] <zakharyas>	 first edit done :)
[19:50:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hooray!