[13:54:23] PROBLEM - puppet last run on wdqs1005 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues [13:59:21] RECOVERY - puppet last run on wdqs1005 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 3 minutes ago with 0 failures [14:01:30] PROBLEM - Check systemd state on wdqs1005 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - degraded: The system is operational but one or more units failed. [14:04:30] RECOVERY - Check systemd state on wdqs1005 is OK: OK - running: The system is fully operational [14:04:46] :| [14:08:48] How to indicate that someone lost his left leg? [14:09:41] PROBLEM - Check systemd state on wdqs2001 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - degraded: The system is operational but one or more units failed. [14:09:50] PROBLEM - Check systemd state on wdqs2003 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - degraded: The system is operational but one or more units failed. [14:09:51] PROBLEM - Check systemd state on wdqs1003 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - degraded: The system is operational but one or more units failed. [14:10:30] PROBLEM - Check systemd state on wdqs2002 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - degraded: The system is operational but one or more units failed. [14:11:19] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P3113 ? [14:12:30] RECOVERY - Check systemd state on wdqs2002 is OK: OK - running: The system is fully operational [14:13:34] reosarevok: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14458363#P3113? [14:13:58] I... guess? :D [14:14:07] I mean, it's at least somewhat understandable [14:14:24] I would like to construct it with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1050 though [14:15:00] Hmm. I guess "amputation" isn't really a medical *condition* ? [14:15:06] It is. [14:15:29] I mean, "missing a leg" is, just not sure what the condition name is (since amputation would be a procedure) [14:16:17] Oh [14:16:31] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q201377#P1050 well, that might work? [14:16:52] (I still feel that's an action, not a condition, but what do I know) [14:17:41] RECOVERY - Check systemd state on wdqs2001 is OK: OK - running: The system is fully operational [14:20:51] RECOVERY - Check systemd state on wdqs2003 is OK: OK - running: The system is fully operational [14:21:51] RECOVERY - Check systemd state on wdqs1003 is OK: OK - running: The system is fully operational [15:47:14] Auregann_WMDE: fyi I will be at the hackathon in london this weekend [15:56:53] addshore: great! take pictures of the cool people and let me know how it went :) [16:17:20] Hey hoo :) [16:17:27] hi sjoerddebruin :) [16:46:49] Harmonia_Amanda: wish we could combat this faster https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2897866&action=history :( [16:47:49] sjoerddebruin: maybe we can create a filter for modifying labels to a different value than P1705 for names? [16:48:16] Feel free to post suggestions on the abuse filter page :) [16:48:41] sjoerddebruin: it would be complicated because it would depend of the writing system [16:48:53] Mmm [16:49:05] like it's normal to add a label in Cyrillic for the Russian label on a Latin-script name [16:49:25] Or just better patrolling :P [16:49:38] maybe restrain to "the old label was identical to P1705 and the new isn't" [16:50:05] but I'm not sure this kind of vandalism is so well-spread we need filters… [16:53:15] I see it two-weekly on my listeria lists. [16:54:06] sjoerddebruin: I don't know if we can make a filter like that but the "the old label in this language was identical to P1705 and the new label isn't" is your solution [18:06:04] Another one: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18638506&action=history [18:21:56] Oh lovely, some television show that has been shown in cinema... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23781164 [18:32:22] sjoerddebruin: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tschiller:_Off_Duty is also… interesting [18:32:44] it’s essentially an episode of the TV series „Tatort“ which they showed in cinema instead of on TV [18:32:56] but the plot directly follows the TV episodes and everything [18:33:13] That one is classed as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q506240 though [18:33:25] We don't really have something for "television series that was also showed in cinema" [18:34:00] I was thinking more about the implications for the series [18:34:05] but it looks like it’s not linked to any series at all [18:34:20] was Inhumans shown in cinema too? [18:34:55] Yes, the whole series was broadcasted in IMAX it seems [18:35:18] and it's now violating some identifier constraint [18:35:58] First thing that comes to mind is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1131225 [18:36:23] Television film says "feature film that is a television program produced for and originally distributed by a television network" [18:36:38] Seems good to me then [18:46:05] hi [18:46:26] Hello. [18:47:02] grmbll names [18:47:13] *sigh* [18:47:53] there are days, I do ~ 10 000 edits and still have the impression of doing nothing [18:48:37] I'm just removing wrong statements from 2014 :P [18:48:55] The label is indeed confusing https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P730 [18:51:38] I have also done ~ 10 000 edits [18:51:47] Wait, you do edits!??! [18:51:51] just, y’know, over almost five years [18:51:57] so don’t beat yourself up too much, Harmonia_Amanda :P [18:52:21] I recently went over the 600k :P [18:52:36] And globally I'm going to hit 666,666 soon. [18:53:01] ^^ [18:53:26] nice :D [18:53:54] But can we think of a better English label for the just linked property? ^ [18:54:40] sjoerddebruin: i think the alias "date of service retirement" is more clear [18:55:01] Not really, as people will still use it for military people that way. [18:57:54] ah [18:58:09] sjoerddebruin: not sure there is a way around that [18:58:30] The "piece or class" makes it harder [18:58:33] people use "origin country" (which is for works) for people too and the description is explicit [18:58:51] They also use P17 for people. :( [18:59:14] yup [18:59:58] I think the only way to go is to clear up regularly and to write systematically to the users doing that explaining why it was wrong and how to do it [19:00:16] Or keep showing the description when they selected a property. [19:00:32] at some point, we have to explain, we can't just rely on properties' descriptions and constraintds [19:00:49] Auregann_WMDE: ^ that's a wonderful suggestion [19:01:47] We have https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140131, but I don't think that will improve a lot actually. [19:02:05] People will just enter what they want and go to the value field. [19:05:38] sjoerddebruin: you know, I had to clean up merges between names and fictional characters [19:06:10] so I guess it doesn't really matter how well you try to be clear, there will always be some people doing strange things [19:06:45] Sometimes you just want to stand behind them to, just for a UX kind of view :P [19:06:51] XD [19:07:49] I think Ash_Crow had to clean up a merge between a Japanese prince, an Eurovision song and a taxon [19:08:05] #Wikidatafeels [19:08:16] at this point, you start to think the user just wanted to test the merge gadget [19:08:35] Also, this would be interesting: https://twitter.com/ReaderMeter/status/959127197343653888 [19:08:36] "but you mean it has real consequences?!" [19:09:02] sjoerddebruin: oh yes, interesting [19:09:15] Scientific articles would be at top though. [19:09:21] Together with taxa. [19:09:30] But I'm very curious in the rest. [19:33:54] what is the correct way to add a property with a string value and code language in QS? [19:34:16] I thought it was P1705 आभा@hi [19:34:22] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:QuickStatements#Add_simple_statement [19:34:26] but it doesn't work [19:34:44] ahhh [19:34:55] hi:"आभा" then [19:34:58] thank you [19:35:01] :D [19:35:16] I must have made a confusion with some other tool [19:35:36] Yeah, I can remember something like that [19:40:32] rah no:s [19:40:55] "आभा"@hi would be the SPARQL syntax [19:41:15] Ah. :) [19:41:17] well P1705 hi:"आभा" doesn't work either in QS [19:41:27] grmbll [19:41:50] "invalid snak data" [19:42:00] grmbll, grmbll, grmbll [19:42:08] * Harmonia_Amanda not happy [19:42:57] that sounds like it’s an error from the Wikibase API [19:43:24] and it looks like hi:"आभा" is indeed the syntax that QuickStatements itself expects [19:43:47] as far as I can tell from the QSv2 source code [19:48:33] Harmonia_Amanda: hi:"आभा" worked for me just now… :/ [19:48:38] (with the same property) [19:48:42] QSv1 or v2? [19:49:15] Or something going on with tabs. [20:03:22] WikidataFacts: it was a problem at mine, it works now [20:03:37] okay, phew :) [20:23:36] *reads backlog* I would definitely like to be shown the description of properties I pick from a list, or at least have a way to go to the property page and read it [20:23:58] It's such a pain in the ass right now, not even a link under the description like "what this is" until I click Publish so I can go there and notice it was wrong :p [20:26:24] reosarevok: I don’t understand the problem… the entries in the property selector are hyperlinks, you can right click them and open them in a new tab [20:26:29] or do you mean something else? [20:26:47] isnt there a tool you can activate? [20:26:58] ..... [20:27:07] That they are. Somehow, I never realized until now [20:27:15] ah, okay :) [20:27:18] I suspect I'm probably not the only one, esp. for new users [20:27:30] i found it out yesterday# [20:28:13] i would prefer the properties to be sorted :| [20:28:30] (the descriptions shown there help, too, but if you select something then you don't see it anymore and need to "search" again) [20:29:33] well, wikidata is not made for humans :D [20:29:34] To be sorted? [20:30:19] then there's stuff like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1352 where from the English description you'd never know it's intended for sports [20:30:20] yes, alphabetically :p i tend to overlook already added statements/identifiers [20:30:23] So I expect it's misused every day [20:30:43] They are actually somewhat logicaly sorted now. But I would love some A-z mode indeed. [20:30:59] (identifiers should be sorted on alphabet imo) [20:32:02] well, mostly identifiers, yes [20:33:01] I would like a message like "this item already has statement X, are you sure you want to add another value"? [20:33:11] Because I keep not noticing I'm re-entering stuff that's there [20:33:42] Some Wikidata UX session at Wikimania would be nice. [20:33:56] i notice it usually after i added the stuff :x [20:34:25] SothoTalKer: yeah, I notice it after it doesn't appear at the bottom of the page when I add it and then it's like whooops. [20:35:11] but it's more data, even though it's redundant ;) [20:36:23] Yay then! :p