[07:40:33] hi, anyone knows who maintains P150 (contains admin subdivisions) for US? Especially Pensilvania seems to be badly broken - http://tinyurl.com/yahmenlc [08:06:31] is there a tool to edit a single wikidata entry in bulk? e.g. delete many of the existing values for a property, and add a set of new ones? [16:45:53] hi Jhs :) [16:47:09] Lydia_WMDE: Auregann_WMDE since you were interested by the use of Wikidata on Wikinews https://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Patinage_artistique_:_championnats_des_Quatre_Continents_2018 [16:47:21] we are getting ready for the Olympics :) [16:50:16] Harmonia_Amanda: \o/ \o/ \o/ [16:50:22] such beautiful Wikitext! [16:50:28] ^^ [16:50:38] there are still some bugs [16:50:45] but we are tracking them [16:50:47] I like how the entity and property parameters are in English :D [16:51:36] Lucas_WMDE: that's so people from other projects can "steal" more easily our template :p [16:51:50] excellent <3 [16:52:26] we have bugs on wikinews that we don't have on wikipedia [16:52:43] * Harmonia_Amanda sighs [16:54:35] cross-wiki lua modules! a kingdom for cross-wiki lua modules! [16:54:41] oh yes! [16:54:47] well, not all [16:55:35] but some of them would be really nice [16:56:00] yeah [16:56:46] like, we don't formate dates the same way in all languages [16:57:01] list of wiki fallback should not be the same on WN and WP [16:57:19] but yes, all french wikiprojects should formate dates the same way [16:57:33] oh, that’s a good point [16:57:51] I was thinking more of the convenience modules for Wikidata which many projects seem to have, but with differing degrees of functionality [16:58:19] I think we really should have small "bricks" [16:59:10] how to formate dates, how to formate durations, etc. [16:59:24] by languages, since it's not always the same [16:59:34] but named the same way [16:59:51] so that we can have "super modules" based on these bricks [16:59:57] which could be shared [17:00:08] no? [17:01:00] sounds good [17:01:05] but I have no idea how to make that happen… [17:01:20] there was a session at the Wikimedia Hackathon 2017, not sure if it went anywhere [17:03:14] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121470 seems to be the huge tracking ticket [17:05:18] urgh [17:05:36] I don't even understand the lua modules on the French Wikipedia anymore [17:05:44] some *I* wrote [17:51:11] * Harmonia_Amanda sighs [17:52:55] What's wrong? [17:55:01] people merging names [17:56:22] like, they don't find the name they want, so they re-purpose another one and then add wrong sitelinks and then someone merge in good faith [17:56:26] and I'm like [17:56:46] it is really that difficult to just *create en antry*? [17:56:47] entry* [18:04:30] sometimes I know before verifying who created the mess [18:04:34] do they use the merge gadget for that? in that case, you could perhaps change the gadget to check for statements that indicate a name item, and show an “are you sure?”-style prompt if they’re present 🤔 [18:04:36] feel like I'm psychic [18:05:17] Lucas_WMDE: I think we could add a message to everyone under 10 000 contribs when merging items with different P31 [18:06:33] that may be extreme, I admit [18:06:37] but I'm tired [18:10:00] looks like it would be possible, at least, mw.config.get( 'wgUserEditCount' ) exists [18:10:51] We should use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P460 more often [18:11:17] sjoerddebruin: I'm adding it massively you know [18:11:27] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Pasleim/projectmerge should be using that as well imo [18:11:29] sjoerddebruin: but people *delete them* before merging [18:11:40] Oh, I meant https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1889 btw [18:11:55] Harmonia_Amanda: we could add abuse filters for that [18:12:07] P1889 and P460 [18:12:10] feel free to ask on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Abuse_filter [18:13:44] could we have an abusefilter stopping the merges of anything with a disambiguation page ? [18:14:19] Lucas_WMDE: what do you think? [18:14:37] I think there is a request to prevent that on software level, otherwise it will slow down edits. [18:14:53] if it's a correct merge, people will have to delete the P31, that's all but they will have seen that they should read the rules before [18:15:00] hang on, I think I did something weird to my IRC client and now it thinks you’re offline, sorry ^^ [18:15:26] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141845 [18:15:43] pretty sure I'm not offline right now [18:15:55] no, and I could see your messages too :D [18:16:01] anyways… reading the linked task now [18:16:36] sjoerddebruin: how would it slow down edits? [18:16:55] do we have many subclasses of “disambiguation page” that would be expensive to check? I’m not aware of any [18:17:12] Lucas_WMDE: we only have "duplicate disambig" [18:17:32] but I think we shouldn't check for subclasses [18:18:07] Lucas_WMDE: Abuse filter is known to be slow, it doesn't even has specific adjustments for Wikidata AFAIK [18:18:26] oh, I see, I thought you were talking about the gadget [18:18:38] It would be nice to handle it on API level [18:18:55] (because also people linking stuff with the clientside widget) [18:20:09] (that widget really needs some OOjs love and more) [18:20:38] the party is starting [18:20:49] And I'm already on five beers! [18:21:03] I will stay here but not answer always [18:21:14] private message if you to be sure I'm reading you :) [18:21:34] we are partying for our new contributing space :) [18:21:49] \o/ [18:22:37] (but there are too many people so I think I'll eat a little and then go back to editing WD in my corner) [18:25:11] I don’t even know how if the merge gadget uses Wikibase’s merge functionality [18:25:16] I remember hearing that it does its own thing [18:25:21] but I’m not sure [18:27:00] It does some things extra, like checking for lowest ID. [18:41:50] hello [18:42:38] hi [18:44:07] I have a questio [18:44:09] n [18:44:11] Ö= [18:44:15] :) [18:44:37] Is there a page to monitor Arabic changes in Wikidata? [18:45:49] mohamed_: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pltools/rech/ offers language filtering, if you select "terms" after logging in. [18:47:27] Thanks [18:50:34] sjoerddebruin: Thanks [18:50:41] Yeah, no problem. :) [18:53:05] do you know if we can have a sortable table with over-columns? [18:53:44] or do we need to have only one level of header to be able to sort a table? [18:53:47] Yay, got a dump of coordinates for the Estonian heritage sites [18:57:16] reosarevok: :) [19:00:02] If I get a dump directly from the people running https://register.muinas.ee/public.php and I know the data is part of the register (but it's not public outside the x-road system otherwise, https://e-estonia.com/solutions/interoperability-services/x-road/ - so basically for registered orgs) can I still say "stated in: the register"? [19:00:33] mohamed_: here’s another tool you can try: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wdvd/index.php?lang=ar&description=on&labels=on&sitelinks=on [19:00:36] (so, they're in the register, but not publicly available) [19:01:24] Lucas_WMDE: Vielen Dank [19:01:31] :) [19:03:43] gerne :D [19:09:41] I separate Latin-script names and Cyrillic ones and it's my joy [19:09:43] I suppose [19:10:07] reosarevok: seems good to me [19:10:27] reosarevok: we use books which are not widely available as references too [19:19:38] I think one day I'll be so weary of dealing with wrong given names that I'll just delete all given names in Latin-script for Russian people and start from scratch >< [21:03:00] hello [21:03:08] I have a question [21:03:18] The number of items in wikidata [21:03:31] it doesn't seam right to me [21:03:58] the news section says there are over 46 million items [21:04:13] but the main page head is only 42 million [21:04:30] there’s a small difference [21:04:45] the News section says that the forty-six-million*th* item was created [21:05:00] but since items were deleted in between, there are less than 46 million items in total [21:05:28] So about 4 million items were deleted? [21:05:41] approximately, yes (I think) [21:05:50] sometimes item numbers get skipped, too, but as far as I know that’s rare [21:06:00] OK [21:06:18] Of course these large numbers were deleted by bots [21:06:55] e. g. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:News&diff=566647799&oldid=561553659 for a case where an ID was skipped [21:09:23] Now I want to know what were those 4 million items that were deleted? [21:09:24] :) [21:13:41] I'm sure it's far from 4 million [21:14:45] mohamed_: they could just be merged too - I guess there's a lot of cases of "two wikis have a page for the same thing, and the two items get merged" [21:14:53] Oh well [21:14:56] Next time :D [21:15:04] ah, right, forgot about redirects! [21:16:34] they’re not included in that count, good point [21:20:11] if we believe the numbers that https://xtools.wmflabs.org/adminstats/wikidata.org/2012-07-01 gives a bit over 1 million pages (not items) were deleted. [21:21:15] actually not [21:21:21] it doesn't show all former admins?