[08:20:02] I'm getting "failed-save" errors when editing with the API, any idea what can be the cause of this? The error message just says "The save has failed." [08:22:00] oh okay, my bot has just started editing as an IP -_-' [14:53:33] anyone else having issues with new items not appearing in item selection widget? [14:56:04] ping SMalyshev for good measure (more context: in my case it's the seven items I created here: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by&offset=20180115144400&limit=7&target=Jon+Harald+S%C3%B8by ) [14:56:21] created 13 minutes ago, still don't show up either when I input label or Qid [14:57:23] hmm, a dummy edit in the items seems to work [17:29:03] sjoerddebruin: Something went wrong with RKDartists as you seem to have noticed [17:30:00] Hm? :) [17:30:34] I noticed you undid some edits. Did you also update the mix'n'match database? [17:30:43] That prevents it from happening again [17:30:47] I did that. [17:30:51] It was matched by you. :O [17:30:54] (and is very well hidden :-( ) [17:31:24] Nah, that's probably the system attributing a sync to me [17:31:33] mmm [17:35:10] Magnus processed the list of all redirects at RKDartists [17:35:33] Ah. [17:36:55] Cleaning out https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Multichill/RKD_redirects now and did most of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Mix%27n%27match_report/13 [18:18:44] can I politely inform you all of my exasperation about properties created with only two users for approval when the relevant wikiproject (chich already had a working ontology) was not even pinged once? [18:18:52] because I'm exasperated [18:20:13] Harmonia_Amanda: :/ [18:20:32] * Lydia_WMDE hands Harmonia_Amanda a fluffy thing against the exasperation [18:21:13] someone just warned me I shouldn't "destroy things" because I used the ontology-approved method (qualifiers with criteria) instead of using the "appropriate property" [18:21:21] this property is used 3 times total [18:21:31] which one? [18:21:32] the other method is used 47856 times [18:21:46] I'm a *little* exasperated [18:24:35] pintoch: pm [18:26:13] thx [18:26:30] Harmonia_Amanda: is it then a bad moment to pester you with names? :p [18:26:38] no no [18:26:48] reosarevok: I'll be glad to be useful [18:27:10] because right now I want to bite someone's head off and I don't like being angry [18:27:12] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q22969612 - I assume it shouldn't be "Welsh"? [18:29:11] reosarevok: yes, it should be generic for Latin-script [18:29:28] k [18:29:41] Can you unset descs in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35179860 ? [18:29:49] Then the script could fix them properly [18:29:50] reosarevok: but you will probably run into trouble because there are some kanji names sharing this transliteration or something [18:29:53] I hope [18:30:06] so you need someone to empty the descriptions and then run namescript [18:30:09] reosarevok: ^^ [18:30:29] And while you're emptying, you could empty https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1559310 - which is not a disambig [18:32:18] reosarevok: several kanji names, I'm cleaning up [18:32:26] Thanks :) [18:34:34] reosarevok: Mai (all given names) and Mait are clean [18:35:39] Thanks! Last one I had left open for when you appeared: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2712367 [18:35:57] script doesn't work, because it's an instance of a subclass of family name [18:36:24] I changed P31 to "family name" [18:36:24] (also apparently "ranking" property here has a ton of issues?) [18:36:39] the etymology should be in relevant property imo [18:36:52] (and we need it for the script so) [18:40:35] reosarevok: I have no idea what P1352 which is about sport, is doing on a name item [18:40:58] reosarevok: but I'm wary of deleting because there seems to be references? [18:41:21] through I don't understand what this mean or is supposed to mean [18:41:51] I assume it means "the most common surname in Norway at the time" [18:41:58] … [18:42:02] yeah, I think I’ve seen that before… [18:42:10] that"s sooooo not what this property means O_o [18:42:39] like we have ontologies people, we are supposed to work in a way that *bots* can understand us [18:42:51] I would qualify that with [18:42:53] "epic fail" [18:43:23] * reosarevok is a bit sorry to give Harmonia_Amanda more sources for exasperation [18:43:43] don't care, my tea is down [18:44:03] (my exasperation is directly correlated to the absence of tea in my life) [18:44:23] done* [18:44:28] my tea is done* [18:44:36] otherwise it doesn't make sense [18:44:58] (oddly proud to be able to make homophonic mistakes in English now) [18:45:20] and now I’m exasperated :( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2960#P2302 [18:45:46] you can’t use those constraints together! any use as qualifier will violate the “used as reference” constraint, and vice versa :( [18:46:03] * Harmonia_Amanda patpat Lucas_WMDE [18:46:14] Lucas_WMDE: maybe it's just not supposed to be used! [18:46:30] Lucas in the evening \o/ [18:46:34] I bet you didn't think of that one Lucas_WMDE :D [18:46:57] so [18:46:59] reosarevok: ah, I see :D [18:47:03] speaking of properties [18:47:14] I need two news ones for figure skating [18:47:18] sjoerddebruin: what? it’s not even 8pm ;) [18:47:24] "technical score" and "artistic score" [18:47:29] what do you think? [18:47:33] Evening is after 6 here hehe [18:47:47] so I can break down the data correctly [18:48:10] (to be used as qualifier or "Participant" in a specific competition item of course) [18:49:02] I could maybe use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2955 for the deductions [18:49:52] and probably a third one "total score" [18:49:59] what do you think? [18:50:28] right now it seems we are creating specific properties for all sports which have a particular way of scoring [18:50:40] Harmonia_Amanda: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13610143#P793 should the other one work like that? [18:50:45] I would ask on the Figure Skating Wikiproject but I'm alone there [18:51:07] (I'm proud to admit I've reached a consensus with myself on the subject) [18:51:27] reosarevok: it would be wayyyy better [18:52:16] reosarevok: that would mean creating an item about https://www.ssb.no/befolkning/statistikker/navn/aar/2016-01-26?fane=tabell&sort=nummer&tabell=253540 [18:53:09] sjoerddebruin: you were interested by my work on wikinews [18:53:17] i need these properties for that [18:53:19] :O [18:53:26] so what do you think? [18:54:25] and other people too! [18:54:38] I want a working system before the Olympics [18:54:49] and Europeans are literally next week [18:54:50] so [18:54:53] help me! [18:55:39] So what do you need? [18:55:58] at least two new properties, maybe three or four [18:56:01] reosarevok: I actually think those name frequence should be moved to another property [18:56:07] it's fucking up the qualifier suggestions [18:56:21] a program in figure skating is separated in three subscores [18:56:33] technical, artistic, deduction [18:56:37] It could be moved to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1552 without any problem I guess [18:56:53] and we need these on WD because there is official records for these [18:56:59] hmmm [18:57:09] And you can't use qualifiers for qualifiers. [18:57:17] nope [18:57:25] And using units sounds abusive [18:57:52] that's why we add to separate "number of dogs in the beginning" and "number of dogs at the end" for sled dog racing [18:58:02] to be able to use them as qualifiers [18:58:11] sjoerddebruin: there *is* units [18:58:29] all elements of a program are scored according to a Code of Points [18:58:59] so you have like 7,65 points for your jump, go you! [18:59:48] there is no difference in units between technical and artistic, and deductions are applied to both [19:00:03] so no, we can't just use units as a go-around [19:02:42] Indeed [19:03:22] we do have some things like this for other sports [19:03:25] like https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Q23660994&namespace=120 [19:03:43] you have different properties for all the classification systems [19:03:53] Yeah [19:04:14] I don't really see a way to go around that :s [19:07:23] uh we don't seems to have a generic "score" [19:07:31] … [19:09:34] everyone is sleeping? [19:10:42] Isn't that https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1351 [19:11:14] sjoerddebruin: seems so yes, the French is misleading [19:14:00] I'm sure Lucas_WMDE has a fascinating point of view about this [19:14:10] :p [19:14:26] on what? everyone being asleep? :P [19:14:49] figure skating scoring properties [19:16:42] * Harmonia_Amanda is sure Lucas_WMDE secretly love figure skating and if he doesn't she will convince him he does [19:17:29] I love the figure skating part in Fantasia 2000 (just as much as the rest of the Rhapsody in Blue segment), does that count? [19:17:32] (ore at least figure skating data) [19:17:35] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2712367#P1152 ? [19:17:42] Harmonia_Amanda: ^ ? [19:17:44] Lucas_WMDE: everything count [19:18:05] reosarevok: way better! [19:18:13] good work :) [19:18:14] Also I'm not sure what statements to give for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47408667 - is p31 "occurrence" (from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21644845) really correct [19:18:14] ? [19:18:19] Yeah, can we submit a bot request to move the rest. :) [19:19:33] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q45172088 [19:20:13] "quality should have a statement subclass of" :D [19:20:56] I would have expected it to be p31 list or something? [19:21:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q526719? [19:23:44] Sounds about right :) [19:23:51] heh. "list should have a statement subclass of" [19:25:03] So something like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47408667 ?