[00:06:10] Hello Jonas_WMDE! [00:06:23] I'm about to claim the task on making hardcoded strings translateable [00:06:50] but I need to know what package/api/anything is responsible for the i18n [00:07:55] but you are sleeping right now :/ I'll claim the task :) [00:27:11] and it's https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.i18n, I've found it myself :) [06:56:25] Albert221? [07:27:15] Jonas_WMDE hey! I was having a question about the task you are mentoring, but I found the answer by myself :) [07:51:45] Albert221 :) [15:59:36] hey Jonas_WMDE! [16:51:02] how do I nominate a page on Wikidata for speedy deletion? [17:00:40] and, while I'm at it, is there a Wikidata equivalent of en-wp's WP:AIV ? [17:03:54] Huon: a page or item? [17:04:16] some IP troll gave me a user page [17:04:36] should probably handled via global block anyway [17:04:45] Got it [17:05:06] thanks [17:05:11] Also blocked the IP global [17:05:33] thanks a lot [17:05:42] I'll look into cleanup [17:17:28] Jonas_WMDE are you here? [17:17:43] or is there anyone that could review my patch to Wikidata Query UI? :) [17:17:48] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/402391/ [17:39:39] Lucas_WMDE, hey, what qqq strings for those chart types would you suggest? [17:40:16] maybe just make sure "chart" word appears in every? [17:40:27] e. g. “Label for the Table result view, which shows query results in tabular form, one result per line.” [17:40:49] that looks like it describes the table itself, not what is that Table thing [17:41:11] what about "Label for the Table result view, accessible in result browser dropdown"? [17:41:39] translators need to know what the table describes in order to accurately translate it [17:41:49] “Table” could also be a dropdown of places to eat from ;) [17:42:28] and the translators might never have seen query.wikidata.org [17:42:49] TranslateWiki just tells them “this message doesn’t have a translation, do you want to have a go?” [17:42:55] but those are 1 or 2 words in majority of languages, tbh I still keep on my option given above^ [17:43:19] the "result view" or even "query result data view" might be descriptive enough [17:43:54] what do you think? [17:43:59] does it hurt to give more information? [17:44:06] we have over a hundred translations [17:44:26] if we spend a bit more effort so that the translators can work more efficiently, that should add up to a lot of saved time :) [17:44:44] no need to make a hundred people all look up what these strings do on query.wikidata.org IMHO [17:45:25] okay, you won :D [17:45:59] I hope I wasn’t too annoying :D [17:46:59] feedback means a lot for both review itself and me :) [17:48:54] (but that way I don't know how to descript appearance of half of the chart types *confused Emoji*) [17:48:57] :/ [17:49:24] I'll expand what I can and leave the rest for suggestions of reviewers, okay? [17:49:28] sure! [17:59:42] Lucas_WMDE: PS2 pushed! [18:02:04] great, thanks! but unfortunately I have to leave now, sorry [18:02:18] perhaps Jonas will have a look this time ;) [18:27:23] Harmonia_Amanda: hi again! Available for a couple of questions I'm confused about re: surnnames? [18:27:27] surnames even [18:27:29] yes [18:28:14] Ok! So, this exists: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26448724 but so does https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47038411 (Japanese vs Estonian surnames). The script says "description already exists" etc and can't set the stuff [18:28:20] Is there a way to avoid that? [18:28:31] yes, but you won't like it ^^ [18:28:38] you need to empty all descriptions [18:28:44] and then use namescript [18:28:46] Is there a script for that? :D [18:28:56] yes, but only available to sysops [18:29:01] Damn. Ok [18:29:06] (I said you wouldn't like it ^^) [18:29:14] So if I do empty them all, the script will add something better there? [18:29:15] I'll clean these [18:29:26] Oh, thanks! [18:30:17] Question 2! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16278082 - "given name and a surname". That is wrong, right? [18:30:29] reosarevok: by the way when you have surnames sharing a label (as a translitteration for example), you link then with P460 not P1889 [18:30:37] Oh. Ok! :) [18:31:02] P1889 is basically only for linking to disambig [18:31:19] Ok. I added one but I guess you were doing that already since edit conflicts :d [18:31:31] So who says it's the same :D ("said to be the same as") [18:31:36] reosarevok: for Q16278082 the P31 is wrong, it should be "name" [18:31:50] reosarevok: well the language were the label is the same ^^ [18:31:50] So if something is both, we don't have two entries? [18:32:02] reosarevok: we should actually have three [18:32:04] You're editing again \o/ [18:32:09] name, given name and surname [18:32:10] (I thought that was the point of "family name equ... oh! [18:32:13] Got it [18:32:18] surname is *part of* name [18:32:23] So if the enwiki is for both, that's name, and... oh. ok [18:32:33] we only have the generic "name" item because of Wikipedias [18:33:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16278082# [18:33:46] sjoerddebruin: thanks to my sister :) [18:33:52] Hooray <3 [18:35:36] reosarevok: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16278082 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47015949 [18:36:59] Yay! :) [18:38:25] reosarevok: you can use "name" as value for P734/P735 when you don't have a correct item because I create those missing regularly. So it's wrong, but not the worse error [18:39:23] Ok! I'll try to just create them when needed anyway :) [18:39:25] Jonas_WMDE, hey! [18:39:38] reosarevok: that's better :) [18:39:58] I'm going through the list of 500 Estonian surnames in the appropriate etwiki categories, adding native labels + script etc [18:40:07] Oh [18:40:09] reosarevok: gret! [18:40:11] great* [18:40:24] reosarevok: you will probably have to merge some [18:40:34] A few so far :) [18:40:48] There was this "Estonization" program where people with German surnames were given an Estonian one that sometimes basically was a translation, sometimes not so much [18:40:49] reosarevok: do you know dicare? [18:41:00] But it's basically "This surname was given to people who had this surname" [18:41:05] we have a tool to spot duplicates [18:41:10] Do we have something for that? "replaces" sounds too wide [18:41:31] I don't! So far I've found them by using the script and it telling me it's clashing [18:41:38] reosarevok: we are using "based on" right now [18:41:55] reosarevok: it's not that clean but we prefer to wait for lemmes [18:42:13] instead of trying to clean etymologies without it [18:42:41] yes that works too ^^ [18:42:52] reosarevok: ping me if you have trouble with descriptions [18:43:05] I can clean these up more easily than you [18:43:31] and we have thousands of Japanese surnames with incomplete descriptions potentially clashing [18:44:22] sjoerddebruin: P734 constraints violations should go sharply down tomorrow [18:44:34] I corrected 500 errors today [18:44:51] Great great great [18:45:46] I'll clean P735 after but someone merged Ірына and Ірина so I had to clean that before [18:48:58] reosarevok: you know how to use Petscan to verify it doesn't already exist before creating a new one right? [18:49:26] reosarevok: I showed you that? [18:53:51] Harmonia_Amanda: yup :) [18:54:05] :) [18:54:26] reosarevok: if you have a list somewhere, I can help you, maybe? [18:54:49] It's ok, I suspect you have enough on your plate, so I can ask only if I have doubts :) [18:55:23] I wouldn't propose if I wasn't prepared to do it ;) [19:01:07] reosarevok: tools.dicare.org/noms/doublons.php [19:01:59] reosarevok: you have many 'wrong' duplicates in that list because Wikidata thinks Hangeul = Chinese characters = kanji, when in our ontology it's not [19:02:15] reosarevok: but still, it's an useful tool to spot duplicates [19:02:41] Thanks! [19:05:26] it only update once every few hours [19:20:29] Harmonia_Amanda: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20821826 - is this "subclass of" here an actual thing? [19:20:34] Or should they just be merged? [19:21:01] reosarevok: pratically everyone for years want this to be merged [19:21:06] but Jura1 doesn't [19:21:27] Oh. I see. So, hornet nest, avoid, etc? [19:21:33] so if you want to join the long list of people who have no idea what Jura1 does, feel free [19:23:05] it makes absolutely no sense to keep them separated [19:25:22] But if I merge them, it will get reverted? [19:25:35] maybe [19:26:19] Ok. I'll skip them for now then [19:26:27] you will make many persons happy if you do merge ^^ [19:26:43] but yes, there is a risk for conflict [19:27:21] -s* [19:30:26] Harmonia_Amanda: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9016379 seems to be Asian of some sort? [19:30:37] (there's an Estonian one, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q45422842) [19:32:10] Not sure if 阿熱 is the right native label or what [19:36:40] reosarevok: there are three names, one Chinese, one Japanese, one Estonian [19:36:44] should be clean [19:38:44] Thanks :) [19:44:32] urgh the Naruszewicz >< [19:44:57] * Harmonia_Amanda hate people living in countries with a dozen languages using different scripts [19:45:08] (well "hate" is a strong word) [19:45:17] (but they make things difficult) [20:17:26] Jonas_WMDE, hi! [20:51:05] Jonas_WMDE, you there? [20:51:46] hey DanielK_WMDE, would you help me a little with my patch? :) [20:52:34] here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/402391/2/i18n/qqq.json [21:05:22] Well it's Friday evening... [21:07:52] my query is too heavy :s [22:22:02] Jonas_WMDE, hello :)