[13:56:59] how do I merge a wikidata? [14:00:32] sorry, you can't remove all links from wrong entry. sorry, you can not add links to good entry because link is still in wrong entry [14:00:41] I want to scream [14:04:19] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MergeItems it's almost like it's hidden [14:05:46] does not work.. [14:07:25] Spellgin: what are you trying to merge? [14:07:38] Q3250135 and [14:07:43] Q4537599 [14:08:37] I've already deleted the french from one and added it to the other so now Q3250135 is pretty much orphan [14:08:46] Let me see [14:09:36] Hmm. These probably shouldn't be merged as such, one is a list and the other a series, so merging it will make a small mess [14:10:08] I moved the last sitelink to the other one [14:10:23] I would just propose Q3250135 for deletion instead [14:10:23] I think they are both pretty much lists [14:10:49] Well, the item on WD is for the series as a concept [14:11:10] (while the other is one of those "this is nothing really, just a Wikipedia list, ignore") [14:11:31] Q15720641 is for the creature [14:11:36] So if all the pages for the concept in Wikipedia are mostly a list of episodes or whatnot, that's OK I think [14:12:24] some pages have some history or something, but most of the page is still just the list [14:12:26] Important thing is that they're a page for "The Smurfs" rather than "List of episodes of The Smurfs" I think [14:12:33] ("officially" at least) [14:12:43] I'd just put the now-sitelink-free item on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions [14:13:50] there is a wikidata for smurf (creature), smurf (comic book series) and there probably is one for smurf (tv episodes) as well [14:15:17] Sounds sensible, those are all different (if connected) things [14:15:20] maybe there needs to be another to have smurf (list of comics) and smurf (comic) [14:16:09] but Q3250135 only had links to the list in french and italian, result: every other language wikipedia had no french link for smurfs (comic) [14:16:34] which is really not what anyone wants I think [14:17:13] Oh heh. Actually, the French one is literally a Wikimedia list. Sigh [14:17:37] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Schtroumpfs is the French item for the comic as such [14:17:55] And doesn't seem to be linked from Wikidata at all that I can see? [14:18:59] So I've moved the French link back to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3250135 [14:19:17] And linked the seemingly appropriate French page to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4537599 [14:19:53] And moved the Italian wikiquote to the latter too [14:20:30] Les_Schtroumpfs needs to be on Q15720641 I think [14:20:53] Q15720641 has no french entry [14:22:52] Les_Schtroumpfs should not be on Q4537599 because that's for the comic series. Les_Schtroumpfs describes movies and music as well [14:23:17] reosarevok, I don't want to start an edit war so it's probably better if you move things into the right location [14:27:01] reosarevok, french wiki considers the list to be the article about the comic book series. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Schtroumpfs#Histoires [14:28:00] Hmm. The main French page is very explicit in saying it *is* for the comic series though. It has the comic series sidebar and is in all the comic series categories. [14:28:16] (and starts with "est une série de bande dessinée belge") [14:28:20] some languages have the comic book series described in the general smurfs article, some have a seperate page for it and some have integrated that into the comic book list.. seems impossible to wikidata [14:28:33] reosarevok, which french page are you referring to now? [14:28:51] The main one (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Schtroumpfs) [14:29:02] But yeah, it's kind of a mess for wikilinks honestly [14:29:36] (arguably, that's because Wikipedians can't decide what they want their articles to be about, though :D ) [14:29:43] obviously the main one describes smurfs in general, it's a very long article with musicals, tv, location of village, etc [14:30:25] so maybe the categorised it wrong [14:32:08] Yes, but all the musicals, tv, etc are listed under "adaptations" (of the comic series, which is considered the main one). I think the difference is that some articles are about the Smurfs as a group of characters, with all the stuff they appeared on, and this (and probably some others) are about The Smurfs as a comic, with all the other info also mentioned on it [14:32:42] Honestly I don't care very much whether this frwiki link is under the characters or the comic, just saying that it seems the frwiki editors' intention was for it to be an article for the comic [14:32:58] But it might be that the info is a closer equivalent to a generic "Smurfs" page in another language [14:34:09] sjoerddebruin: ideas on how to deal with sitelinks that primarily refer to different facets of the same thing, yet still should probably be linked in wikis? [14:36:04] reosarevok: use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P527 to link to the subjects described [14:36:22] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Les_Schtroumpfs#Wikidata! Do you think the French will take offense to that? [14:37:07] We have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11221 for the franchise, right? [14:38:09] Hmm. Maybe that would work, Spellgin ^ [14:56:50] reosarevok, if the French have no general Smurfs page (and it's not because they don't care), shouldn't Les_Schtroumpfs be treated as their general smurfs page? [14:57:15] That's why I said maybe https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11221 as suggested by sjoerddebruin would work :) [14:57:28] Seems to be where "general" pages go [14:57:32] ideally the same page would also be linked as their article about the smurf comics, but since one link can't be in two entries it would make more sense to (ugly though) have the comic book list there [14:57:52] hey, another one! [14:57:56] If you want to move it to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11221 feel free :) [14:59:02] so now we have smurf (creature), smurf (comic), smurf (franchise) and Q1216045 for smurf (tv) [14:59:43] must all wikidatas have the same title? it's so confusing [15:00:22] Well, that's why the descriptions are there :) [15:00:59] it would be more clear if that could be in the title, but I guess that's not allowed [15:01:03] I find it cleaner, personally - I'm talking about smurf, which is a creature etc, not about "smurf (creature)" [15:01:15] fair point [15:01:55] (but yes, it makes descriptions very important, otherwise you have a list of search results that all look the same :/ ) [15:06:03] reosarevok, what is Q42265439 ? [15:07:15] ask https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Valentina.Anitnelav :D [15:07:26] (I honestly don't know for certain) [15:08:06] topic's main category seems wrong as well [15:08:37] (my first guess was "specifically the series of Smurfs comics published in the Spirou magazine", but it is a guess tbh) [15:18:56] reosarevok, how would this be handled? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Smurfs_characters describes all Smurf characters, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_personages_uit_de_Smurfentekenfilms describes smurfs from cartoons [15:19:06] and https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_personages_uit_de_Smurfenalbums smurfs from albums [15:19:09] sjoerddebruin: ^ dutch stuff! [15:19:25] (also you know more about lists than I do) [15:19:37] I know nothing about lists [15:19:38] I think [15:19:46] Dutch should both be seperate entries. [15:20:22] Spellgin: I meant sjoerddebruin :) [15:20:26] in that case there is no Dutch article for Smurfs characters (because there are two) and the English (and any other language) wikipedia has no Dutch link [15:20:46] So? That is their fault for seperating them. :P [15:20:47] reosarevok, that makes more sense indeed :P [15:21:37] well it's a problem for anyone who looks up the English page and wants to see the Dutch equivalent [15:22:05] That's because there's no Dutch equivalent :D - someone could of course add a Dutch equivalent that linked to both other lists [15:22:14] But I don't know Dutch, so I won't [15:22:43] (and this is why Wikidata as a way to do sitelinks rather than just a data store is a bit weird for me) [15:22:49] so a page that has no content but just links the other two lists? [15:23:03] (because it's hard to make it one and the other rather than one or the other) [15:23:36] Well, that would probably be the most appropriate nlwiki equivalent here, yes. But I have no idea if nlwiki people would want it or what :) [15:24:02] it would make more sense if wikidata would allow to put one wikipedia link on several wikidatas, I think [15:24:06] let's find out [15:24:59] Well, I think the idea is to only link to stuff that really matches 1:1, because otherwise it's no longer possible to say "this article is equivalent to this one", just "you might be interested in this article" [15:25:32] But I can see the use of the other one too, it's just that it is almost impossible to do both at once [15:28:06] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_personages_uit_de_Smurfen [15:29:11] Seems reasonable conceptually to me [15:29:12] * reosarevok goes buy proper winter clothes [16:25:10] Hi I would like to find a contact to discuss the import of data about electric vehicle charging stations - assuming Q2140665 would be a starting point [16:39:52] see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Importing_data_about_electric_vehicle_charging_stations [19:44:43] Lydia_WMDE: Would be nice if you could have a look at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180875 [19:51:44] multichill: will check with lucas :) [20:02:34] Lydia_WMDE: Thanks! [20:11:57] Relatedly: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176768 ? ;) [20:18:23] reosarevok: Don't we have another constraint that will include the subclasses? [20:19:03] Not that I could tell :/ If we do, let me know, because https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2948 could use it [20:19:30] I agree with Lucas that just changing the existing one is going to have unintended results too [20:20:15] So in this case I think https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1415090 is a weird intersection and shouldn't actually be used at all [20:21:08] mmm [20:21:58] For painters I actually have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Intersected_painters [20:22:29] Yeah, the annoying thing is that you can't easily avoid it. [20:22:34] And why does https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2948 state that "Filmmusikkomponist (German)" is the female form of the label? [20:22:57] I'll rather have p31 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4830453 on all companies as well and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P452 for their activities [20:23:25] hello [20:23:30] Hey :) [20:24:06] are we still speaking of people using too-precise-values for P31 instead of using the appropriate properties? [20:24:13] Yes, indeed. [20:24:13] I hate that [20:24:29] But also things like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1415090 [20:24:31] it's so bad modeling [20:24:45] urgh [20:24:51] As a beginner writing queries I had a *horrible* time with that, because when I want painters I want all of the animal painters, too. [20:24:58] yes! [20:25:04] and it's not just for queries [20:25:16] multichill: my case is specifically that P2948 should have heritage be https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12370674 or a subclass (or actually, it should always be a subclass, but eh) [20:25:19] it's *so easy* to broke a tree class like that [20:25:38] so difficult to keep clean [20:25:58] one of the worse case I met was a "statue of the XIX century" [20:26:03] like wut? [20:26:16] Harmonia_Amanda: Haha, probably users imported from Commons [20:26:22] we have more than just instance/subclass of, people [20:26:32] What to do with former items? Do we only add the end date and ask people to write better queries or should we prefer the "former X" P31 statement? [20:26:55] sjoerddebruin: I prefer to use the end date [20:27:16] It would be nice to be able to write: P31 Q or any subclass thereof [20:27:36] Harmonia_Amanda: me too, but you do want to give people an easy way to find "existing" items [20:27:46] sjoerddebruin: because it's way easier to explain that way [20:28:03] it's not that easy to query for qualifiers right now [20:28:22] but people understand that they need to check for that, and that it always work [20:29:12] explaining when you want all items that you need to add to your queries all items with "old version of this" as P31 is way more messy [20:30:00] I firmly believe that the QueryHelper will get around proposing an easy way to query for qualifiers [20:30:00] But if I am unaware of the old versions, I get lost… [20:30:11] bad ontology is always bad [20:30:25] querying we can learn [20:30:42] I had exactly this problem with a colleague [20:30:59] he wanted all French communes which ever existed [20:31:12] it work, no problems [20:31:32] https://twitter.com/CommonsCat :-)[[Category:Paintings of sitting females writing indoors]] [20:31:33] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:Paintings_of_sitting_females_writing_indoors [20:31:41] tried to do that for a few others countries, didn't even think about the possibility of bad P31 [20:32:03] urgh, I'm sorry [20:32:14] multichill, is there a category of paintings of standing females writing indoors? [20:32:16] getting carried out [20:33:47] * Harmonia_Amanda is stuck in the strange state where she is missing Wikidata like crazy but the idea of connecting again is still very anxiety-inducing [20:34:15] Harmonia_Amanda: Took a break after the Wikidataconference? [20:34:23] no [20:35:02] I fled when Infovarius very deliberately undid my cleaning work on several dozens items because Jura1 did it that way years ago [20:35:17] Sorry to hear that [20:35:30] so now, not only do we have to clean up the messes Jura1 make, I have to fight other contributors to clean up [20:35:43] I did three panic attacks in four hours [20:35:50] just seeing my notifications [20:36:08] so I fled all Wikimedia projects [20:36:28] because of course I see my notifications no matter what project I'm on [20:36:34] I don't the will and energy for that either [20:36:49] I feel sorry for didn't noticing that :( [20:36:56] and I can't even stay connected long enough to go to my preferences and only see the local project notifications [20:37:10] And I was wondering why the violations were getting higher every day... [20:37:17] so I couldn't even contribute to Wikisource or Wikipedia [20:37:24] Yeah, that's the downside of the damn notifications. I used to switch projects to get a bit of peace and quiet [20:37:51] sjoerddebruin: because I routinely cleaned (at least once a week) the most used humans properties [20:37:58] I know, I know <3 [20:38:08] and I know I'm not the only one working on "gender" [20:38:18] but I was the only one on all names [20:38:25] (to do it everyday) [20:38:57] * WiseWoman1 sends Harmonia_Amanda a bottle of sunshine and a cup of hot tea [20:39:03] I don't know what to do [20:39:33] I just ignore the notifications, read them only once a week [20:39:34] If I create a new account, I won't be a sysop and I do need the tools like every day [20:40:18] I had so many cool things to do :s [20:41:00] I wanted to spend my holidays preparing stuff for the Olympics [20:41:15] so we could use Wikidata on Wikinews reports [20:41:19] Just do it then... [20:41:22] Oooh, that will be a truckload of new items! [20:41:53] but then I'm thinking of the notifications and I start to hyperventilate [20:42:12] Well, there is a off button on that right? [20:42:15] Wikidata used to be the thing I did to fight the anxiety [20:42:24] Could you just put a sticker with a flower on it where the notifications are on your screen? [20:42:53] I feel for you, it can get overwhelming at times [20:43:01] sjoerddebruin: I tried last week, went full bloom panic attack before being able to go on my preferences page [20:43:09] :( [20:44:17] sometimes, I can't go around the fact that I'm autistic with an anxiety disorder [20:44:20] Just a gentle reminder that this channel has public logging [20:45:31] sorry for souring the mood [20:45:42] happy new year everyone [20:45:43] would it help if we gave you a link to the section of the preferences page you're trying to get to? [20:46:11] I don't know [20:46:30] right now, no, I'm too keyed up [20:46:34] ok [20:46:50] Hang in there! [20:47:09] nikki: talking about someone more inactive... :( [20:47:10] maybe I'll ask someone to log in my stead, do it for me, and then change my password once everything is disabled [20:47:11] You are soooo needed! [20:47:20] yeeeah [20:47:50] I'm behind again with uni stuff [20:47:56] Harmonia_Amanda: I was going to propose that - if you have someone you trust with that, that might work :) [20:48:47] but I also know that if I start cleaning up things again, I'll necessarily see items I already cleaned up where my work was undone [20:49:12] so coming back, even without notifications, would still be really stressful [20:49:25] How many of those are there? Maybe we could fix those? [20:50:34] reosarevok: it doesn't matter if other contributors still undo you work after that [20:50:41] True :/ [20:52:49] ? [20:53:41] Harmonia_Amanda: are these specific people or general wanna-be-know-it-alls? [20:54:04] Jura1 basically made a big big bunch of errors years ago [20:54:18] like saying all Korean names are in Latin script [20:54:26] adding tons of wrong transliterations [20:54:44] we are speaking dozens of thousands of wrong modifications here [20:54:52] it was really, really bad [20:55:13] but still, these wrong infos have been around for years now [20:55:23] because I'm the only one cleaning it [20:55:45] and it take time to understand what should stay, what should go, how the item is used, etc. [20:56:15] so now you have people who, probably in good faith, undo the cleaning work [20:56:46] Ouch [20:57:01] because if an hundred of wrong transliterations are around since two years, it magically make them right or something [20:57:27] Right of first mistake? :P [20:57:30] Can we add a sort of reification to a property: Don't touch, this has been cleaned!! [20:57:43] it's worse WiseWoman1 [20:57:56] for names, you have to clean up the items, that's the easy part [20:58:09] and then, you have to clean up all *uses* of the item [20:58:21] Harmonia_Amanda: Sort of like https://xkcd.com/978/, but for Wikidata [20:58:50] which basically mean verifying manually if all people really have this specific given name, in this writing system [20:59:26] because Cyrillic names are not Latin script names, are not Kanji names, etc. [20:59:38] a Japanese shouldn't have a name in Latin-script [21:00:17] but an American of Japanese descent, born in USA and with only one nationality will officially have the Latin-script version of the name, not the kanji one [21:00:18] That's a problem I hadn't thought about before. That's thorny. [21:00:31] you have to check for everyone [21:00:44] that's why I work so "slowly" [21:00:53] We even have that in a tiny way in Germany with umlauts and the ß. [21:01:17] (not so slow, to be honest, in my good days I could verify ten thousand entries, but stillà [21:01:19] ) [21:01:36] Before (US) computers could deal with it, there were transliterations, and multiple sorting orders. [21:01:36] WiseWoman1: and Celia isn't Célia [21:01:45] etc. [21:01:50] names are complicated [21:01:55] Indeed [21:02:11] and we do have a working ontology [21:02:23] An *amazing* working ontology! [21:02:36] but there are so many wrong uses that people don't do things correctly [21:02:55] like, they create a missing name for a Russian person in Latin script [21:03:00] You've helped me today, showing me another ontology issue that is quite important (I teach Semantic Modeling again in the summer) [21:03:08] instead of creating the correct Cyrillic one [21:03:46] How should that be done? I'm afraid I've done that on occasion. [21:04:06] or they feel that since we have a "Yoko" (latin-script) name, and we are missing the kanji one, it's alright to repurpose it changing only the properties [21:04:09] Put the Cyrillic in for the English label, and a transliteration as an alternate? [21:04:12] so the item seems clean [21:04:18] but all uses are now wrong [21:04:43] WiseWoman1: if you are interested in names, I strongly suggest you use my "namescript" script [21:04:51] Link? [21:04:54] it's on my common.js [21:04:59] Ok, thanks! [21:05:39] * reosarevok takes that too [21:05:39] WiseWoman1: you will need to create an empty item (or with only the transliteration in your language as label for your language) [21:05:53] WiseWoman1: then add the following properties: [21:06:20] P31 with one of these values: family name, female given name, male given name, unisex given name [21:06:39] Is it ok to use just given name if you can [21:06:42] eh [21:06:53] *can't be fully sure it is unisex? [21:06:55] (or not) [21:07:08] then P1705 with the string *in the original language* [21:07:19] reosarevok: not for the script to work [21:07:47] then P282 with "Latin script", "Cyrillic script", "Kanji", etc. [21:07:58] then charge again the page [21:08:28] and the script should add a button under the P31 to complete automatically all labels/descriptions/aliases [21:09:12] I'll put the directions in a comment in my common.ja [21:09:15] js [21:09:19] uuuh, 200 descriptions coming in. Awesome :) [21:09:24] Harmonia_Amanda++ [21:09:51] How does it work for names that are both Latin, but are probably unrelated? [21:10:07] Say, the same word means dog in a language and shoe in another, and it's a surname in both [21:10:09] it works for Latin script, kanji, greek, georgian, armenian, hebrew, arabic, cyrillic [21:10:11] Is that one item? Two? [21:10:18] reosarevok: one string, one item [21:10:22] Ok :) [21:10:29] That's what I thought but wanted to make sure [21:10:36] that's the all time rule of our ontology [21:11:21] the trick is that kanji/hanja/Chinese character are different scripts [21:11:35] so for our ontology, they are *not* the same string [21:11:44] but they are encoded the same [21:11:45] And if I know a name exists in say, Estonian, but not if it exists in Finnish too, is it acceptable to just set Estonian native label and let someone change it to multiple languages later? [21:11:58] reosarevok: yes [21:12:01] Purrrfect [21:12:10] I tend to always use "mul" as a value for Latin names [21:12:15] * reosarevok will look into this a bit more with Estonian politicians etc at some point [21:12:27] because they have been so many migrations [21:12:31] So it's great to have a clear idea [21:12:41] that really few names are strictly one language [21:12:51] especially as we count regional ones [21:13:18] but it's not wrong to create a name in Estonian [21:13:47] it would only be wrong if you created a new name instead of changing a Finnish one to a "multiple language" one [21:14:18] Gotcha [21:14:53] reosarevok: and for people who speak several languages, or have several official names, you add all names in P735/P734 [21:15:30] so a Soviet guy may have a Latin-script Estonian given name and a Cyrillic-script one, depending on context [21:15:56] Ok, gotcha [21:16:19] (but if I don't speak Russian, it is ok to just stick to Latin, I assume? :) ) [21:16:22] you do not merge the two given names, they should still stay different items [21:16:42] (I can read Cyrillic, but not write it :) ) [21:16:44] Ok [21:17:19] well if you don't know if the guy had an official Cyrillic name, then you shouldn't add it, that's for sure [21:17:56] but sometimes you will have like four languages listed on the Wikipedia page [21:18:04] Does anything qualify as a real "official" name? Say, the Russians had a transliteration of an Estonian name, but it's not actually a Russian name, but it was used "officially". Does it count? [21:18:47] like, for people in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, that's frequent [21:18:52] reosarevok: yes [21:18:59] and people migrating too [21:19:08] * reosarevok likes people who know the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was a thing :D [21:19:30] this person was born in Russia, had a Cyrillic name, migrated to USA, became an American citizen [21:19:46] two given names: one in Cyrillic, one in Latin-script [21:19:55] and the same for the family name [21:20:24] reosarevok: hey, I'm an historian ^^ [21:21:34] tl;dr: names in real life are complicated, so it's complicated on Wikidata, golden rule: one string, one item [21:22:30] and feel free to ask me questions, by email via WD, here or on twitter [21:23:08] I didn't contribute for the last month, but I'm still doing presentations and workshops [21:23:58] You wouldn't happen to be in Germany/Berlin sometime April-July? :) [21:24:26] WiseWoman1: right now, it's not scheduled, but I have nothing against it [21:50:05] Harmonia_Amanda: is "Paul-Eerik" one given name, or two? [21:50:24] reosarevok: one [21:51:18] reosarevok: with P527 "Paul" and "Eerik" [21:51:35] reosarevok: both with the qualifier "order in the series" (1 and 2) [21:52:31] "series ordinal" the qualifier [21:53:45] Harmonia_Amanda: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47014774 like so? [21:53:59] Oh sorry [21:54:06] Forgot you don't want to go in [21:54:07] nvm [21:54:10] I think it's fine anyway [21:54:13] reosarevok: I'm not connected [21:54:27] reosarevok: you need to add "language:estonian" too [21:54:42] and to run namescript to add the descriptions [21:54:45] As in native label? [21:54:55] no, as another property [21:54:58] Oh [21:55:09] P407 [21:55:31] that's how we know which languages are under the "mul" value for P1705 ^^ [21:55:37] Oooh [21:56:00] So I guess it's less important if the label is now Estonian only, but still useful for the future [21:56:02] Gotcha [21:56:25] and you can check for errors this way [21:56:54] Shouldn't we modify the script to require this then? [21:56:54] if your only language listed is "japanese" and you have "Latin script" in P282… [21:57:00] Houston, we have a problem :p [21:57:16] no, because sometimes we don't know the language [21:57:40] And I guess we can't just put a checkbox like "no, really, I just don't know the language, run anyway" [21:57:45] Or well, effort [21:57:51] we have maintenance queries [21:58:06] for names with only one P1705 but no P407 [21:58:18] I cleaned that up regularly [21:58:21] Ok :) [21:58:28] but it would be a pain to add it to the script [21:58:56] * reosarevok wonders why family name is not one of the default options for Q5 [21:59:57] reosarevok: you can add "P1889" (different from) the disambiguation page sharing the same label, with P1012:Q23765057 as qualifier [22:00:20] to avoid people using the disambiguation page in lieu of the name [22:00:22] So how do I determine if a name is Estonian or whatnot? Is it just "there's Estonian people with this name"? [22:00:58] and you can add "said to be the same as" other given names sharing a transliteration or an etymology [22:01:00] Also is there another script to basically one-click-fill "script: Latin" since I'm now doing Latin ones only? [22:01:49] like "Paul Erich" (I don't think the item exists but if it exists, it should be linked) [22:01:56] reosarevok: Wikidata usefuls [22:02:24] you need to personalize the list but that do the job [22:03:28] reosarevok: before creating check Petscan to verify the item doesn't already exist in incomplete form [22:03:46] What's incomplete form? [22:03:56] (in this case, I'm first trying to add it to a person and only create if I can't find it) [22:04:08] like, the item exist but with only a label in Hungarian [22:04:24] you don't have this language on your list, so you can't search easily [22:04:48] but Petscan shows it [22:05:15] https://petscan.wmflabs.org/ ? I thought that was for categories [22:05:32] Petscan, Wikidata tab [22:05:53] has all of these label, checking "label" AND "alias" [22:06:02] and you copy your string here [22:06:16] great way to spot duplicates [22:06:24] reosarevok: sweet summer child :D [22:06:41] reosarevok: Petscan is basically the most powerful tool around [22:07:36] Well I *am* new :D [22:07:38] (ish) [22:08:05] Well, right now I'm going to sleep [22:08:16] so no tutorial tonight [22:08:20] Ok :) Sleep well! [22:08:30] but basically Petscan can search anything :) [22:08:44] good night [22:18:59] "Warning: Wikidata's notability policy does not allow links to Wiktionary entries unless the interlanguage links cannot be automatically provided. By clicking on "save", you confirm that this is the case." [22:19:03] To quote Penny: "Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not." [22:21:56] Mmmm. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18984843 [22:24:11] I was there last week [22:24:13] wait I wasn't [22:29:01] a nice house is a state. Johannes Sytzes Crack builts a house. So it gets called crackstate.. nobody in 1648 has seen this coming [22:32:11] https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=52%C2%B020%272.400%22N%2C%204%C2%B052%2743.320%22E#map=19/52.33400/4.87870 [22:32:19] it actually exists!