[07:13:27] How come Wikidata isn't in LOV ? [07:13:44] I demand to know why :) [07:14:02] Um, why *not* I mean :) [08:07:24] Is the answer to my above ^^ question, "because Wikidata ain't an ontology" ? [08:44:51] J0llyr0tten: as a first approxymation, seems a good answer :) [10:42:51] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q43339299 currently has "category combines topics: Afro-Uruguayan", which is obviously wrong, but what would be the correct P to say " the main focus of this organization is Afro-Uruguayans"? [10:53:04] Also I tried to update the range here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1112 to 807 but it didn't seem to work? (it's listed in the template as 807 but the page itself still says 802). There's more now :p https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_National_Pok%C3%A9dex_number [10:54:06] (I guess it might not matter if it gets deleted anyway but) [11:12:25] I like that we have a signature for a cat, even if it breaks constraints :D https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1386318 [15:22:04] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs2002 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 30.00% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-query-service?orgId=1panelId=8fullscreen [17:14:52] Nemo_bis: but Wikidata should be in DataHub and/or LOD cloud, correct? (Even though it's not in LOV (though DBpedia is with dbpedia-owl)) [18:48:45] sorry for asking, what is "LOV" ? [19:16:23] CatQuest: I think it's http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ [19:58:58] Hi all [20:01:07] tough question: what would you do when an user always answer to questions with more questions, ask for references for our actions but never really provide one for his actions and create statements that violates contraints and/or logic (and this user is quite prolific, he edits a lot everywhere) [20:10:16] anyone? apparently we are several people tired (at best) of this user :( [20:13:34] J0llyr0tten: it will soon be in lod cloud [20:14:57] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2017-October/011314.html [20:39:41] Vigneron: Asking for a friend? [20:40:38] multichill: asking for me and several other people [20:41:39] multichill: to be fair, what led to this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Identical_Twins [20:41:52] (among a very long list of other things) [20:52:30] Vigneron / Envlh : You're refering to Jura1 I suppose? [20:52:42] yes [20:53:24] sadly yes... [20:57:39] Nemo_bis: I certainly hope so. How do I track the progress of this? [20:59:15] One of our more interesting contributers. Hard working, but seems to have some problems in dicussions [20:59:23] CatQuest: “LOV” is http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ [20:59:53] Having a talk page with archive 1 day is like saying: I don't want to talk with you [21:00:30] J0llyr0tten: thank you! (and reo also) [21:00:30] sadly this goes right over my head.. maybe I'll understand it some day :D [21:00:42] *interresting* is one word for it, probably not the one I would have use [21:02:00] quite frankly, everytime I cross his path I want to quit (and I often do as there is no way to even understand what he wants and why, even less talk with him) [21:02:02] CatQuest: if you are here you must understand some of the principles of the semantic web. LOV just tracks the vocabularies part of it (rather than the dataset part) [21:02:41] soo.. the language used to describe the datasets? [21:02:54] (sorry, english is not my native either :)) [21:02:59] CatQuest: _exactly_ the language(s), you got it [21:03:13] there, that wasn't so difficult now was it :) [21:03:34] eh. it's late here and i didn't lseep much last night :D prepairing for GCI [21:03:50] GCI? [21:03:56] CatQuest: https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Introduction:_Scope_and_Definitions "Value vocabularies" might help :) (maybe in the morning) [21:04:02] Google-Code-In [21:04:10] in the morning. yes [21:04:27] J0llyr0tten: CatQuest is a fellow MusicBrainz person :) and we're participating in https://codein.withgoogle.com/ which starts... tomorrow or something [21:04:27] what's your native language if you don't mind me asking? your English is very good. [21:04:43] reosarevok: ah, very good [21:04:52] So he's been preparing tasks for students to do :) [21:05:13] yay, gci... where you end up working christmas day :D [21:05:20] eh. it's Norwegian. and I speak it btter thna I write it. I think :P [21:05:20] well I almost learned english and norwegian at the same times (mom did english artium whne I was 3 and learning how t ospeak norsk) [21:05:26] i've used MusicBrainz many times and even uploaded and fixed data a small number of times! [21:05:29] the only way to shut me up was to do english with me too :D [21:05:34] ... which I should have been doing too, but I've spend most of that time editing Estonian stuff in Wikidata instead :D [21:05:35] J0llyr0tten: yay! [21:05:43] fy reosarevok ! :P [21:06:43] reosarevok: Estonian Wikidata, awesome [21:07:03] I add a bit of norwegian descriptinos here and there, not much. mostly I work with instruments [21:07:13] in musicbrainz, and some times in wikidata [21:07:23] getting more sucked into WD :D [21:07:57] my interest is in all the philosophical data Wikidata is tracking, philosophical concepts and philosophical figures, i'm building my research around and it has been _invaluable_ already, Wikidata is an amazing project [21:08:04] It is! :) [21:08:13] ok folks that enough for me today [21:08:14] ++ [21:09:07] Would people object if I edited this page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology ? [21:09:20] despite being around wikipedia (and musicbrainz) for 12+ years, it's telling I've done the most wikiedits in wikidata heh .. [21:09:39] J0llyr0tten: I'd expect that would depend on how you would edit it ;p [21:09:50] yeah :p [21:10:00] * CatQuest has no imput on such a quest [21:10:32] hmm since your name is so british sounding, are you british J0llyr0tten ? [21:11:02] (if you don't mind me asking) [21:14:13] J0llyr0tten: I imagine the talk page of that might be a good place to ask :) [21:17:01] hmm, i want to separate the problems into their own place [21:18:20] I know noone from that project... well other than Micru who I translated Planescape D&D content with fifteen years ago, but that doesn't count [21:18:30] CatQuest: British by birth, Irish by residence, European by sentiment [21:18:44] :D [21:19:02] Just comment on the talk page with {{Ping project|Ontology}} I guess and mention what you're thinking of [21:19:02] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Ping_project [21:23:51] reosarevok: I added a topic to the end of the page, will i put {{Ping project|Ontology}} inside the topic ? [21:23:52] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Ping_project [21:24:39] AzimovBot is talking to me :/ [21:24:42] Not sure if needed even, I imagine most people in the project watch the talk page [21:25:12] Remember to sign your comments ;) (click the pen icon) [21:25:25] (or just paste --~~~~ at the end of it) [21:25:31] I'll do it anyway as you suggest and to learn about the feature [21:25:37] of course, thx! [21:26:57] done, thx again [21:39:13] How does one spin up a Wikidata project? Specifically: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Philosophy ? [22:02:14] J0llyr0tten: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProjects [22:03:14] You basically create it and then get people to join and talk about stuff AFAICT [22:04:39] sweet [22:05:11] I suspect the "getting people to join" is the hard part [22:05:23] (although I'm a bit surprised there isn't one yet) [22:10:50] Is there a way to show a template in Wikipedia automatically based on Wikidata info? Specifically, to automatically display a template if an external identifier is present [22:11:17] * reosarevok is guessing the answer is "you need a bot", but [22:18:56] reosarevok: (i too am surprised there isn't one yet) [22:21:16] There's a huge enwiki one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Philosophy/participants) so I imagine that finding some interested people could just involve going there and asking :p [22:21:37] (but no idea how these things work socially, I'm fairly new here after all) [22:22:29] could you give a concrete example of what you mean by "show a template in Wikipedia automatically based on Wikidata info" [22:24:01] I was thinking it would be nice if every item with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2948 would have an automatic link on their (Estonian) WP page to the heritage site [22:24:54] Since it's pretty much always relevant [22:25:14] But I suspect the answer is just "run a bot on etwiki that does that", which is also not that hard I guess :) [22:27:51] hmm, i see what you mean – give me an example of an item with P2948 … [22:28:14] i'm lazy ;p [22:30:26] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18623592 [22:30:39] (you can just click "what links here" on the sidebar, too) [22:31:11] Oh, I bet Lucas_WMDE would know [22:31:41] Lucas_WMDE: is there a way to automatically set a template on (et)wiki if there's an external ID in WD? [22:31:55] not afaik [22:32:05] you can get a list of all items with that ID in WDQS [22:32:13] not sure how you would add the template based on that [22:32:32] which ID? [22:32:38] it's an interesting question. [22:32:49] P2948? [22:32:54] Yeah [22:33:32] ok, here’s a query with the sitelinks: http://tinyurl.com/y7ovvagg [22:33:44] I'm sure a bot could do it, but was wondering if there's some "official" way. I guess it wouldn't be very popular since (xx)wiki people are quite protective of stuff :) [22:33:54] (I mean, as a general option, not for this niche casE) [22:34:30] Oh well, I will probably consider botting it eventually [22:34:43] I’m sure there’s some tool to do it, I just don’t know it [22:34:50] I’ve never been much of a wikipedia editor [22:34:53] Fair :) [22:35:16] Same here, I like data for data's sake, but eh, I guess making it more visible can't hurt :) [22:35:37] yeah :D [22:35:44] I saw the Catalans and the Welsh are using WD a lot on their wikis and would like to move etwiki in that direction a bit [22:36:32] yay for more pioneer wikis! [22:37:46] what are they doing? them clever Catalans and Welsh … [22:37:53] https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquiprojecte:Adaptaci%C3%B3_de_plantilles_a_Wikidata/infotaules#Quadre_resum_Infotaules_s.2F_total_articles [22:38:07] Turning a loooot of templates to use Wikidata data mostly or completely [22:38:18] (The Welsh do the same I think but I can't read Welsh so) [22:38:55] well, i'm sure not even the Welsh can read Welsh properly … … *joke* !! [22:53:18] Once a nice elderly American lady asked me about my "Welsh shirt" on a plane [22:54:43] ... it was https://store.hplhs.org/products/phnglui-t-shirt [22:58:25] Bless her, that's cute [23:25:24] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs2002 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-query-service?orgId=1panelId=8fullscreen