[00:09:38] harej: generally for memory as memory is used as cache for disk, it uses as much as possible :) Java runs on 32g heap but queries use memory outside of heap [01:52:50] isni seems a bit slow :| [07:51:31] !admin https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q29388200&action=history is facing persistent vandalism; subject is a rapper who recently died [09:45:23] I earlier talked about my work to map archive.org to IMDB using wikidata. I just published the work in progress as . :) [12:18:29] sjoerddebruin: do you know if there's a preferred/standard way of doing https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Reosarevok/Estonian_politics#Riigikogu or it's just dependent on the country anyway? [12:18:55] That is, how to mark someone was a member of parliament at a specific "parliament" (so, between election X and election Y) [12:19:13] (it might be that counting them like this rather than just with dates is specifically an Estonian thing?) [12:20:42] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Parliaments#Member_of_the_10th_Riigikogu_.28Q37822184.29 [12:23:46] example for a member of French parliamant: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3350961#P39 [12:25:54] Oh, thanks :) [15:26:27] anyone has an opinion about this P31? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q66272 [15:29:44] Envlh: you mean "instanceof twin"? Since twin is a subclass of person, I see no problem there in terms of ontology. [15:30:34] but then, I'm just the software guy, I don't know so much about the conventions that may apply [15:40:49] feels a bit weird to me tbh [15:41:37] to see anything but Q5 in a human’s P31 [15:43:49] I guess I'm just too used to rely on transitivity ;) [15:44:25] DanielK_WMDE: twin is a subclass of person (Q215627), not human (Q5) [15:45:29] for queries looking for humans, I never rely on transitivity [15:45:31] Envlh: so? [15:45:37] because it would probably be too expensive [15:45:51] yea, that's the pragmatic aspect which I wish we could ignore ;) [15:45:56] I was under the impression that there was a community agreement to always have P31: Q5, partly for that reason [15:46:13] i. e. we wouldn’t say “instance of woman” or something like that [15:46:19] but in this case, it’s additional [15:46:19] quite possible. that's why i said "I don't know so much about the conventions that may apply" [15:46:30] DanielK_WMDE: so I don't see your point [15:46:45] me neither, I’ve just been writing queries hoping that I inferred the right conventions ;) [15:47:08] Envlh: i mean tha only would be a problem if there was no direct P31->Q5 here. but there is. [15:47:19] ok [15:47:43] Envlh: not all trins are human, so you can't infer that. we currently assume that all twins are people - which i find dubious, to be honest [15:47:58] I agree [15:48:18] twin frogs exist, and they are not people [15:48:27] yes [15:50:12] actually, I don't like the use of anything along with Q5 in P31 [15:50:15] there are probably a few notable animal twins, yeah [15:50:38] I think that everything should go to other properties [15:51:15] like we have P21 for gender, and not a P31:man or P31:woman [15:52:21] I suppose the “twin” analogy of that would be “sibling” with a “type of kinship” qualifier [15:53:36] (and when I do statistics about humans, I always discard items with several P31, beacause it's mostly garbage) [15:54:19] Lucas_WMDE: the problem is when we don't have an item for the other twin [15:54:28] yeah… [15:54:42] * Lucas_WMDE mumbles “structural need” ;) [15:54:54] Items used in P31 with Q5: http://tinyurl.com/yabfrztp [15:57:48] with labels: http://tinyurl.com/yamvhg8v [15:59:10] yeah… most of those look suspicious [16:11:49] and I discover that there is a WikiProject Q5... empty :P [16:14:02] Mmm [16:18:39] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1069461&action=history :/ [16:18:47] Wow. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Suik_2000 [16:19:46] sjoerddebruin: Edoardo88 has ne real reference [16:20:41] But at least begin some constructive discussion. [16:22:39] I don't know if they are even aware of each other, Edoardo seems to just import with harvesttemplates and his edits are getting removed instead of reverted. So no notification. [16:24:45] sjoerddebruin: I only checked history [17:16:57] read-only uh oh [17:17:38] Did I miss some announcement? ;-) [17:19:18] multichill, it says, because of an important lag [17:26:19] Error messages on Wikidata atm: “Could not save due to an error. The wiki is currently in read-only mode.” [17:28:18] They are investigating, see #wikimedia-operations. [17:28:49] d'oh [17:28:51] I would update the topic, but it appears to be locked and looks like I'm not on the access list [17:28:58] sjoerddebruin: ^ [17:28:59] sjoerddebruin: thanks [17:42:17] nice, I've got a vandalism to revert and two deletions to do, and the database is under maintainance [17:45:54] :( [17:47:56] Sannita: yes, apergos says they know there are problems with the servers and they're investigating it [17:48:48] b_jonas, yeah, I knew that, I wasn't accusing anyone :) just complaining for the sake of it :) [17:49:06] guess I'll just go and get some orange juice while waiting [17:50:54] 5 min [17:51:34] 35 mn [17:51:51] I mean, we might be able to edit again in 5 min. [17:52:07] ah ok [17:52:38] no problem, time for coffee ;) [17:56:19] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs1003 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 34.48% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] [17:56:29] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs2003 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 33.33% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] [17:56:30] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs1005 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 34.48% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] [17:56:59] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs1004 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 36.67% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] [17:57:00] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs2002 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 36.67% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] [17:57:57] hehe, WDQS thinks it’s outdated, but the truth is there really are no new changes to process :) [17:58:00] PROBLEM - High lag on wdqs2001 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 34.48% of data above the critical threshold [1800.0] [17:59:51] hmm yeah [18:00:24] wdqs is not used to wikidata not being updated [18:00:55] gh [18:06:29] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1948 bytes in 0.085 second response time [18:07:36] Editing seems possible again, but recent changes isn't updating due to replacement database server not having some schema changes. [18:16:06] ok, I'm officially stupid [18:16:19] I keep trying editing WD while knowing it's blocked [18:24:10] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs2002 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] [18:24:10] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs2003 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] [18:24:11] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs1004 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] [18:24:11] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs1005 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] [18:26:10] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs1003 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] [18:26:10] RECOVERY - High lag on wdqs2001 is OK: OK: Less than 30.00% above the threshold [600.0] [18:28:35] "wdqs is not used to wikidata not being updated" well, it is a thing that only occurs if things go wrong xD [18:28:43] HELP - I can't edit the relationship status in wikipedia [18:29:12] We have been having issues for over an hour now, Mjqsc. [18:29:39] I've been trying for a few days already sjoerddebruin [18:29:46] huh? [18:30:25] I tried editing it two days ago and the same error keeps coming up [18:30:55] What is your username? [18:31:06] Same as the one in this chat, Mjqsc [18:33:55] So, what's not working? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q28840675&type=revision&diff=595006024&oldid=583392918 [18:34:54] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges … [18:35:06] I'm editing the relationship of a famous singer in Spain, and once I've filled in all the information and I click on save it wouldn't let me [18:35:22] at the moment there are server problems, Mjqsc. [18:35:36] alright, thank you [18:35:45] edits made at the moment are possibly at risk of vanishing when the server fix happened. [18:36:18] But you said the same happened two days ago... [18:36:26] by the way, is it possible to edit the status if one of the partners doesn't have a wikipedia page? [18:37:06] indeed! I tried to edit it on my phone two days ago, and today I gave it a try on my laptop and it doesn't edit the page. [18:37:32] Well, our notability policy does offer structural need, but you also need to think about the privacy of (living) persons. [18:37:45] back to read-only atm. [18:37:56] (if it stopped being read-only … confused by the diff above) [18:38:39] does it have to go through some validations? [18:39:45] There has been actually discussion about how to model this without the need of more items: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Marital_status [18:43:13] So what do normal people do? :) [18:46:53] *shrugs* [18:47:04] watch #wikimedia-operations anxiously? ;-) [18:48:55] Anyone able to post an update on @Wikdiata on Twitter? [18:49:03] Lydia_WMDE: ^ [18:49:28] so, my wikidata training session today ended welll… ;-) [18:51:43] Owwwwwa :( [18:52:37] Hi, is Encyclopedia of Life the largest database for living species? [18:52:49] As used in Wikidata or in general? [18:53:59] sjoerddebruin: good question, let's say for wikidata [18:54:56] Global Biodiversity Information Facility seems to be bigger than EOL on Wikidata. [18:55:12] for our living species template in AR wiki we want to just add one authority control... And we are wondering which one is better [18:56:11] Note that they might have different scopes. [18:57:46] pigsonthewing_: jep [18:58:29] sjoerddebruin: so it's like a VIAF for species [18:59:20] Helmoony: just saying that some might not be complete or content might differ. [19:01:05] great, thank you sjoerddebruin all the info [19:01:05] multichill: so, I imagine this is a common, easy question [19:01:15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Museum_of_Estonia has multiple branches [19:01:26] Is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q919611 "part of" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1754105 ? [19:24:36] editing ns0 in wd says ‘timed out’ but it saves anyway, intended? [19:24:42] (I know there was a downtime) [19:28:59] revi: that’s ongoing fall-out from the outage, as there are a reduced number of servers running at the moment. [19:29:19] uhm k [19:29:35] maybe I’ll continue editing tomorrow... [19:29:46] well anyway I’m late at 4:30 [19:29:56] it’s likely to continue like this for the next few hours. [19:30:14] hopefully it will be fixed by when I wake up at 3:00 UTC xD [20:15:48] Still getting timeouts on editing. :| [20:21:43] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1953 bytes in 0.107 second response time [20:24:13] That is we call pwoper dispatch recovery. ;) [20:27:49] Timeouts are gone. [20:30:53] reosarevok: We generally use P195 the collection and P170 for the location [20:31:14] And link the parts togetther [20:31:16] *together [20:32:34] sjoerddebruin: Play piano, cook food, listen to some music? ;-) [20:34:44] Pff. [20:34:53] Anyway, everything working again? [20:35:45] Well: I can edit, recent changes seem working and dispatch lag is gone. [20:36:49] Who gets a t-shirt this time? [20:37:48] They need to share one, I think. [20:43:52] multichill: so the museums themselves, I link with P361? [20:44:36] Yes, that seems to work best. See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q731126 for an example [20:46:19] sjoerddebruin: New item bot for nlwp seems to have been stuck for 2 months (yeah, really). Fired it up again so you might see some new items tomorrow [20:46:28] Unless of course, we have no backlog at all [20:46:56] There is not much of a backlog. [20:48:17] sjoerddebruin: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:OngekoppeldePaginas&limit=500&offset=0&namespace=0 is quite long, 484 articles? [20:48:42] Duplicity showed like 15. [20:49:07] So they must be pretty new. [20:49:20] All this month it seems. [20:49:36] Looks like when clicking random ones [20:50:03] Bot is set to 4 weeks minimum age so I doubt it will do any edits [20:50:38] Didn't some newbie user mess around with petscan end of October? [20:51:13] Me and Edo cleared the backlog and earlier this week someone created a load of articles with petscan. [20:51:19] Talked to him about our method. [20:51:51] Ah, backlog grew a bit. https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/duplicity.php?wiki=nlwiki&mode=list [20:53:17] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Agterbos just got an item [20:54:07] Ah, forgotten template. [20:54:45] Let me handle that. [20:55:58] Oh, there we go. [20:56:10] multichill: do I need to enter the other side of has part vs part of myself or will a bot do it for me? :p [20:57:45] You have to do that part yourself [20:57:55] Deleted it Sjoerd. Was crap quality [20:58:10] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:MoiraMoira#Bram_Agterbos [21:04:01] Ok, done :) [21:04:07] Thanks again