[10:49:42] <matthias__>	 hi there! i just listened to a podcast about wikidata (http://chaosradio.ccc.de/cr240.html, german) and got curious: I'm active in the Open Educational Resources movement and there are a lot of (unstructured) resources in the www (webpages, pdfs, etc.). Is the collection of resources (based on their hyperlinks) a good wikidata project approach? 
[10:50:21] <matthias__>	 (I saw items for scientific publications in wikidata) 
[11:30:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 matthias__: resources is a little bit vague. 
[12:26:34] <matthias___>	 @sjoerddebruin could be something like that (PDF https://www.th-koeln.de/mam/downloads/deutsch/hochschule/profil/lehre/forschendes_lernen__herausforderungen_und_l__sungsans__tze.pdf)
[12:26:55] <matthias___>	 or a wiki project (https://wiki.zum.de/wiki/Mathematik-digital) or a video, etc. etc. 
[12:27:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 So all random resources? Not sure if that is in scope.
[12:27:23] <matthias___>	 yeah, thats the challenge regarding OER. :/
[12:27:52] <Nemo_bis>	 matthias___: if you're thinking something like a DMOZ, probably not in scope
[12:28:52] <Nemo_bis>	 sigh
[12:29:30] <matthias___>	 not really a web directory, the aim are specific resources (which can vary from textbook, interactive simulations to a simple worksheet, which can be a specific webpage or a pdf)
[12:30:13] <matthias___>	 there has been attempts to classify/categorizy the resources
[12:30:37] <matthias___>	 but it is much more difficult than classic scientific publications for example
[12:30:41] <Nemo_bis>	 the idea of a sort of library catalog of the web seems hopeless
[12:31:20] <Nemo_bis>	 A select bibliography for specific topics is something that fits Wikimedia projects, usually it's done either on Wikipedia or Wikibooks
[12:32:46] <Nemo_bis>	 CiteSeerX alone found hundreds of millions of PDF URLs so of course you cannot try to be comprehensive http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=PDF_2016
[12:33:51] <matthias___>	 Oh okay. I just saw that wikidata had TEDx talks and "education books" is also a category (sorry if I use the wrong wording) 
[12:34:09] <Nemo_bis>	 Books are a much more limited set
[12:34:52] <Nemo_bis>	 OpenLibrary.org may be more suited for real work on making books accessible, but there's also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books
[12:35:01] <matthias___>	 yeah, but only "traditional" books? self publishing will add a lot of books in next years?
[12:35:25] <matthias___>	 I'm generally curious how wikidata deals with variety of resources regarding digital content
[12:36:02] <Nemo_bis>	 "a lot" is still nothing compared to the orders of magnitude of URLs vs. books
[12:36:10] <Nemo_bis>	 I don't understand the question
[12:36:27] <Nemo_bis>	 Maybe you're interested in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite 
[12:36:51] <matthias___>	 thanks for providing the links, pdf2016 seems interesting
[12:37:42] <Nemo_bis>	 If I understand correctly that your main interest is having some sort of curated directory of OER URLs, then probably the best bet is just adding URLs to Wikidata entities for a topic just like you'd add a see also link or bibliography item on Wikipedia
[12:38:55] <Nemo_bis>	 Qualifiers can be used to specify the license, whether the content is superseded etc.
[12:39:22] <Nemo_bis>	 matthias___: what kind of OER activity are you most involved in?
[12:40:04] <Nemo_bis>	 Wikimedia has some collaboration with Creative Commons, OKFN, UNESCO and some regional efforts but in practice everybody does their own thing
[12:40:34] <matthias___>	 okay, let me try to understand your example regarding a "see also link"
[12:40:55] <matthias___>	 let's say i have a worksheet regarding rainbows in physics
[12:41:12] <matthias___>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1052 <- is that the entity where i would add a reference(?) ?
[12:41:35] <matthias___>	 "add a statement" 
[12:41:37] <matthias___>	 sorry
[12:41:59] <matthias___>	 mh okay, i'm confused :D
[12:43:34] <Nemo_bis>	 there is a property "described in source" 
[12:44:16] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1343
[12:44:22] <Nemo_bis>	 probably other similar ones too
[12:45:52] <matthias___>	 ah, i see, there is also "described at URL"
[12:47:02] <matthias___>	 is there a "good practise" of how to make sure not to misuse a statement (which maybe had another purpose)?
[12:49:34] <matthias___>	 and/or should I try a property proposal for this specific case?
[13:05:40] <Nemo_bis>	 matthias___: yes, it's the property page itself
[13:05:56] <Nemo_bis>	 Additional information is available on the talk page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1343
[13:06:13] <Nemo_bis>	 If you're in doubt, try adding some such statements on one entity and then ask for comments
[13:06:27] <Nemo_bis>	 matthias___: I'm still curious what OER initiatives you've been involved with
[13:06:37] <matthias___>	 thank you very much for the responses, i will discuss it with the german OER nerds ;-)
[13:06:55] <matthias___>	 oh yeah sorry, I'm currently working in the project OERlabs at university of cologne
[13:07:15] <matthias___>	 and i have a little side-open-source-project here https://oer-hoernchen.de/
[13:12:38] <Nemo_bis>	 Ok, never heard :) 
[13:12:53] <Nemo_bis>	 maybe raymond<tab> knows
[13:13:20] <Nemo_bis>	 hmpf he just went offline
[13:14:11] <Nemo_bis>	 Next meeting in Köln is 16 December https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:K%C3%B6ln
[13:15:16] <matthias___>	 ah i met raymond once, we had a OER meetup in "Lokal K"
[13:15:30] <matthias___>	 didn't know that he is also active regarding wikidata
[13:16:04] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm not sure either, hard to keep track of everything he does :D 
[13:16:30] <Nemo_bis>	 Well, not little editing https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Raymond
[13:17:14] <matthias___>	 :D
[13:19:02] <matthias___>	 I'll let him know, thanks for all the information! 
[17:33:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 Que? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q583&type=revision&diff=589380288&oldid=579658493
[17:42:52] <multichill>	 SMalyshev: Any idea why the person shows up so low on https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=&search=Jan+Brueghel+d.+Ä.&title=Special:Search&go=Go ? It's an exact alias match so I would expect it at the top
[17:43:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 AFAIK Elasticsearch isn't used on the actual search results page yet.
[17:44:01] <multichill>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch ?
[17:45:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110648
[17:45:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 It might be the difference that the search page is full text based while the others are prefix based.
[18:01:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 I see we use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P53 for all families now. :)
[18:58:07] <WikidataFacts>	 yeah, there goes my nice “common causes of death of noble people” query :/
[18:58:24] <WikidataFacts>	 but it’s probably for the best, “noble family” is fuzzy
[18:59:01] <WikidataFacts>	 I think the Barack Obama example already existed when it was still “noble family”
[19:00:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 Will it be too intensive to filter on the P31 of the families?
[19:00:34] <WikidataFacts>	 it needs at least P279*
[19:00:37] <WikidataFacts>	 but I could try, I guess
[19:34:04] <Elefantikus>	 Hi there. May I write my question about Wikidata here?
[19:35:15] <Elefantikus>	 !admin
[19:35:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 Of course.
[19:35:31] <Elefantikus>	 good  :-)
[19:35:58] <Elefantikus>	 I want to use data from Wikidata in a Wikipedia-page
[19:36:26] <Elefantikus>	 Therefore this line:   {{convert|1.79|m|in|abbr =on}}
[19:36:27] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:convert
[19:36:56] <Elefantikus>	 this data abiout wisth can be found in the corresponding Wikidata entry
[19:37:17] <Elefantikus>	 here:   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q41918566
[19:37:52] <Elefantikus>	 but when I want tu use this data I get an error
[19:38:23] <Elefantikus>	 I use it this way:   {{convert| {{#statement|width}} |m|in|abbr =on}}
[19:38:23] <AsimovBot>	 10[2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:convert
[19:38:29] <Elefantikus>	 Whats wrong here?
[19:39:36] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is no unit on Wikidata.
[19:39:57] <Elefantikus>	 but there is this item:    https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q41918566
[19:40:17] <Elefantikus>	 it has a width property
[19:40:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 The width statement doesn't have a unit specified, is what I mean.
[19:40:29] <sjoerddebruin>	 Compare it with the length one.
[19:40:46] <Elefantikus>	 oh
[19:40:50] <Elefantikus>	 you're right
[19:41:03] <Elefantikus>	 so should I add "millimeter" here?
[19:41:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 If that's the correct one...
[19:41:46] <Elefantikus>	 yes
[19:41:50] <Elefantikus>	 ok, just did it
[19:41:58] <Elefantikus>	 so lets see if it works now
[19:42:45] <Elefantikus>	 now I get a different error
[19:42:52] <Elefantikus>	 have a short look here:   https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sion_(electric_car)&action=submit
[19:42:58] <Elefantikus>	 its in the right box
[19:43:00] <Elefantikus>	 red
[19:43:44] <Elefantikus>	 Error in convert: Value "{{#statement|width}}" must be a number
[19:44:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 I don't think you should use Wikidata in this way. The infobox template itself should be edited to support this, otherwise if things broke you have to fix a lot.
[19:44:22] <Elefantikus>	 ok, so I just leave it as it was before
[19:44:28] <Elefantikus>	 thanks for your help!!!
[19:46:10] <Elefantikus>	 but whats the use of adding this property to Wikidata?
[19:47:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 Well, like I said: the infobox template should be adjusted to use this value in the future.
[19:47:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Also Wikidata provides better reports for finding errors.
[19:49:31] <Elefantikus>	 can I change the Infobox template?
[19:50:36] <sjoerddebruin>	 Depends, I don't know the local consensus about using Wikidata and if you are experienced enough in writing Wikidata infoboxes.
[19:52:05] <Elefantikus>	 ok, I better leave it the way it is
[19:52:08] <Elefantikus>	 thanks!