[09:06:08] Krinkle: Thiemo is looking into it. he was sick the past few days and back today. I'll remind him about it. [10:07:01] We've reached January 2013 at the bottom of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/without_claims_by_site/nlwiki \o/ [12:53:02] PropertySuggester-Python failed on the current dump :( [12:55:29] Oh no. :O [12:55:47] Too much data? :P [12:56:21] I honestly don't know [12:57:01] No tests, probably. [12:58:25] It has some tests… and it works on just the first 10k entities in the dump [12:58:31] maybe it was just a labs glitch [12:59:49] Let's hope. :) [13:00:19] I'm just in doubt of adding more properties to the exception list. :/ [13:00:55] why? [13:01:34] Don't see any improvements soon and creative works are ruined atm [13:01:43] (due to all the scientific articles coming in) [13:03:09] But we need to display the default suggestions when there is only a exception on an item first. :/ [13:03:59] I guess moving the weight to classifying would mostly solve this [13:04:05] but someone just really needs to do that [13:04:07] * hoo hides [13:05:14] I will remember it for exactly one month. :) [13:06:29] Take for example publication date, grew from 0,7 million to 8 million only this year https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P577&diff=567882211&oldid=422813823 [13:09:13] wow, that's pretty insane [13:11:43] That one and publication date are now #2 and #3 mainsnak properties on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/Top100 [13:29:13] Did you post your views anywhere on Phab yet? Seems like we need to take action soon with this growth. [13:30:06] I haven't… this is awry on the technical side, but nothing we can't resolve, I guess [13:30:14] but this needs a community discussion [13:31:01] Ah. :O [13:42:29] I'm also wary of the growth, as someone who's created lots of items on journal articles [13:42:54] This rapid clip of creation is creating scaling problems [15:37:19] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138748 [15:39:03] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153858 [15:41:15] I am a bit confused with the language settings. More often then not, wikidata doesn't show a label but rather the Qid. That happens when the item does not a label for my favourite language (British English in my case). How can I make Wikidata fall back to English or German in case a label in British English doesn't exist? [15:47:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguageFallbackChain shows four languages but I still get Qids instead of labels :( [15:47:36] muelli: everywhere? [15:47:55] What is your username? [15:48:00] sjoerddebruin: no. My feeling is that I get Qids only when there is no label in British English [15:48:08] sjoerddebruin: Viertmuelle [15:48:58] For Q9137309 I get no label. It has a German label only. [15:49:08] I get it when viewing https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q129195 [15:49:20] Yeah, language fallback is quite limited due to performance reasons. [15:49:33] It doesn't fallback your whole babeltemplate. [15:50:15] Despite the confusing description on that special page. [15:50:46] It should fallback from british english to just english though. [15:51:08] * muelli nods [15:51:36] I think it does on the Web site. But not on the query service. [15:51:49] The query service might be working differently yes. [15:59:28] but the wikidata web site doesn't fall back to German. Is that a bug? [16:00:05] I've had a discussion about this earlier in this chat, there are some questions and performance reasons. [16:01:12] yeah, I understand. My only intention is to either file a bug or make sure people know, in case the behaviour is unintended. [16:01:46] that said, I'd appreciate if it fell back to any of the languages I have defined, because Qids are not very nice to read. [16:01:47] We need to define logical fallback chains, according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Language_fallback#Client_fallback_chain_.28e.g._Wikipedia-language.29 [16:01:57] And yes, I would love the same but it will melt the servers. [16:02:49] hm. But now people click the Qids they don't know. That is probably more expensive than loading the language. [16:03:05] maybe it could do it lazily. Like when the user hovers over the Qid or so [16:03:27] Yeah, I would love the popups feature working again. [16:19:11] sjoerddebruin: so is there a bug report or anything? So that it's not being forgotten? ;-) [16:19:27] And do pages like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Navigating_Wikidata/User_Options#Language_fallback_chain need to be updated then? [16:20:28] Probably https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89213 [16:20:31] And I think so. [16:22:09] addshore: one minute of silence during Wikidatacon? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-41415654 [16:22:31] =[ [16:34:19] "Entities using the military rank property should be instances of person (or of a subclass of it), but Lance Corporal Shenkin III currently isn't." [16:44:12] it should be possible to write a gadget for extracting the label in a suitable language, right? [16:47:29] Probably. [17:05:39] So now we have a goat that died on the same day as princess Diana. [19:07:40] muelli, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111231 ("Page previews for Wikidata") (and subtasks) -- and a little bit of discussion on the talkpage of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-PopupsFix.js which still needs some fixing. [19:08:52] SMalyshev: we’re seeing inconsistent results on queries to find all members of the new German parliament – the same query (except for whitespace changes to bypass the cache) sometimes returns 697 results, sometimes 708, sometimes 709 (correct number) [19:08:53] I suspect it’s because we’re hitting different query servers, some of which are slightly out of sync. does that sound plausible? [19:08:53] and if yes, what’s the best solution for us? will adding labels to affected items also reload their statements for the affected servers? (I don’t remember how granular updates are) [19:09:14] possible. Which query? [19:09:33] http://tinyurl.com/ybfxo83z [19:09:33] any change to the item reloads it on all servers [19:09:42] alright, thanks [19:10:21] then I can download the 697 and the 709 results, diff them and do small edits to the missing items [19:13:41] can I somehow use quick statements to change the class of an item? I want to change a generic "university" to one of it's subtypes. In particular to "public university". I know I can create statements, but then the item will be an instance of both university and public university. That's probably not necessarily bad, but not very clean. [19:13:51] yeah looks like servers disagree on this query... not sure why [19:22:59] Q15648956 seems to be missing in one of them [19:23:27] I edited descriptions in all affected items, and now I seem to be getting 709 results consistently [19:24:00] one server was missing that one item you found, another server was missing 12 others [19:24:15] but seems to be fixed now, thanks for your advice :) [19:24:52] ok, cool [19:25:26] still not sure why it happens :( there seems to be some bug in update that I can't put my finger on yet... [19:35:27] how would I model German universities being able to award PhDs? [19:35:41] it's a legal thing, pretty much. [19:50:53] I could probably create a class "entity able to award PhDs" and subclass every relevant university. That doesn't feel right somehow, though. [19:51:00] I wonder where the location for http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/9200369/webclient_DeliveryManager_pid_6087777_custom_att_2_simple_viewer.html has come from [19:52:47] Ah, http://entity.europeana.eu/entity/place/base/3378?wskey=apidemo [20:00:23] I think this modification is wrong: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3419113&diff=285325220&oldid=285324918 What's the textbook thing to do now? Just revert the change? Ask the user who did the change? Complain on the item's discussion page? Complain here on IRC? ;-) [20:17:29] hrm. I could use P1027 "conferred by" on Q849697 "doctoral degree". But that'll get messy, I guess. There'll be loads of statements then. hrm. [20:17:52] Salam [20:18:45] also it feels more like a property of the university rather than the award. [20:43:36] hrm. this seems to be broken: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/related_properties.php?q=claim[31%3A2334719] [22:30:54] greetings all