[07:28:34] <yurik>	 The irony!   wd:Q30 p:P6/ps:P6 ?p .  -- produces a nice list of all US presidents.  Try guessing what simplifying it to   wd:Q30 wdt:P6 ?p .  produces?  Yep... Just one.  Trump... FML.  Try it - http://tinyurl.com/yc8vlp3b 
[07:31:22] <yurik>	 I understand why it happens, but it is sad that the "simplifying query" produces a simple result :(
[13:46:28] <edward>	 is the order of statements within a claim significant? can i change the order of statements within a claim?
[13:47:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 Are you talking about qualifiers? I think you can change the order with removing etc., but I think we are adding automated sorting soon to qualifiers as well.
[13:47:52] <edward>	 can i sort a wikidata SPARQL query result in the same order as the statements within a claim appear in the web interface?
[13:48:39] <edward>	 i'm writing a query to find the list of official languages in a country. i'd like the same order in my query results as appears when accessing via the web interface
[13:48:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 I don't think that is possible.
[13:50:41] <edward>	 thanks
[20:20:12] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/without_claims_by_site/nlwiki seems to be increasing again?
[20:20:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: busy life :(
[20:21:18] <multichill>	 Quite a few easy ones at the top :-)
[21:01:14] <SMalyshev>	 is there a way for a regular user to edit a redirect?
[21:01:25] <SMalyshev>	 I don't see any option in UI...
[21:05:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's not possible.
[21:05:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 Well, you can undo the edit and merge to another item.
[21:05:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 But not like simple edit.
[21:07:31] <SMalyshev>	 huh that kinda sucks... so no way to fix double redirects?
[21:07:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maybe with API?
[21:08:05] <SMalyshev>	 good point, let me check
[21:08:47] <SMalyshev>	 I see only wbcreateredirect which is completely undocumented
[21:09:53] <SMalyshev>	 I'm not sure what would happen if I run it on existing redirect
[21:13:03] <multichill>	 SMalyshev: What do you want to achieve?
[21:15:44] <nikki>	 SMalyshev: as far as I can tell, pasleim has a bot which fixes double redirects
[21:20:27] <SMalyshev>	 I am trying to edit a redirect
[21:21:22] <SMalyshev>	 nikki: hmm in that case it doesn't work, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17525576
[21:21:26] <SMalyshev>	 or maybe it's just slow?
[21:22:08] <nikki>	 I imagine it only runs daily (if it's still running)
[21:22:26] <SMalyshev>	 yeah looks like the doubles are new
[21:22:27] <SMalyshev>	 ok, I'll wait for a day and see then