[02:23:09] <Reedy>	 Re Thiemo's request...
[02:23:10] <Reedy>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172975
[09:03:40] <moduloHQ>	 I just editted a page on WikiData without logging in (first time). Is here also an oversight user I can ask to edit the history of the item?
[14:36:44] <gehel>	 nikki: I've increased the throttling limits on wdqs, let me know if you run into issues again...
[16:32:54] <nikki>	 gehel: thanks, I will do. btw, one thing I have noticed is that I don't seem to get messages about queries timing out now, it just says "server error"
[16:33:38] <gehel>	 nikki: thanks! No queries timing out would be an unexpected side effect... I'll check
[16:35:01] <nikki>	 I think they're still timing out correctly (I can see "java.util.concurrent.TimeoutException" in the big error dump) but it doesn't seem to detect it properly
[16:35:10] <nikki>	 (at least, I don't remember seeing "server error" much before)
[19:11:10] <crossfader>	 Hi, trying to connect from my WikiMedia installation to WikiData; but enabling the Wikidata Extension in LocalSettings.php breaks my Wikimedia
[19:12:20] <crossfader>	 tried to find out more about the settings when using the Wikidata-Extension as a Wikidata-Client, but couldn't find any solution
[19:22:14] <Lucas_WMDE>	 crossfader: are you using the “Wikidata build” extension or Wikibase (Wikibase client and/or repo)?
[19:33:20] <crossfader>	 Wikidata build extension, including wikibase from repository
[19:33:32] <crossfader>	 tried Wikibase first
[19:34:08] <crossfader>	 but too many dependencies were missing, and constroctor messed the extension up
[19:34:39] <crossfader>	 s/construcor/constructor/
[19:35:13] <crossfader>	 sorry, for all the typos, I'm tired allready
[19:35:52] <crossfader>	 ... and I'm using it as Wikibase client, Lucas_WMDE
[19:36:15] <crossfader>	 ...
[19:36:28] <Lucas_WMDE>	 okay… I’m not sure how the build extension is used, unfortunately
[19:36:47] <Lucas_WMDE>	 how does it break your installation? can you perhaps put the error message(s) in a pastebin or somethhing
[19:36:50] <Lucas_WMDE>	 *something? (sorry)
[19:37:07] <crossfader>	 everything looks fine, my special:version page shows up with the extensions, unless I enable the wikibase-client
[19:37:17] <crossfader>	 from that moment nothing works anymore
[19:37:58] <crossfader>	 when I disable wikibase-client it works again, but I cannot access data from wikibase.org without the client
[19:38:26] <crossfader>	 I will look for the debug info
[19:38:28] <crossfader>	 wait a moment
[19:42:55] <crossfader>	 ; so this is the error Traceback: https://pastebin.com/qUHpvsax
[19:45:13] <crossfader>	 and this is the modules section of my LocalSettings.php: https://pastebin.com/xFQx4M5r
[19:46:35] <crossfader>	 This error comesup whatever page of my mediawiki-installation I try to open
[19:47:09] <crossfader>	 until I disable the Wikibase Client within the wikidata installation
[19:47:41] <crossfader>	 Wikibase Repo does not induce any systemwide errors
[19:48:02] <Lucas_WMDE>	 crossfader: I think you’re missing a few of the config lines on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Installation#Enable_Wikibase_Client_only
[19:48:04] <crossfader>	 and shows up in special:version when enabled 
[19:48:07] <Lucas_WMDE>	 but I’m not sure how necessary they are
[19:48:49] <Lucas_WMDE>	 but “$lookups must not be empty” sounds like it could be due to the missing example settings
[19:49:38] <dbs>	 crossfader: are you using git master of both wikimedia and wikibase extension?
[19:50:07] <crossfader>	 well Wikidata as entrypoint calls the WikibaseClient.php when the $wmgUseWikibaseClient variable is set (true)
[19:50:23] <crossfader>	 i mean Wikidata.php
[19:50:24] <dbs>	 I just installed both from source (git master, on ubuntu 16.04, with mariadb) yesterday with success - once I used the binary collation for mariadb instead of utf-8
[19:50:36] <aude>	 hi
[19:51:16] <aude>	 it's probably easier to just use wikibase https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase
[19:51:38] <crossfader>	 it didn't work for me either
[19:51:50] <crossfader>	 tried it before, error was the same
[19:53:00] <crossfader>	 I switched to wikidata distribution, as I suspected the error to be caused by broken dependencies in my extensions setup
[19:53:05] <aude>	 maybe the example configs are not up-to-date?
[19:53:37] <crossfader>	 yea, the example configs seems to be old, and the installation guides as well
[19:54:17] <dbs>	 this is commented out? #require_once "$IP/extensions/Wikidata/extensions/Wikibase/client/ExampleSettings.php"; 
[19:55:41] <dbs>	 I successfully installed and enabled both wikibase client and wikibase repo yesterday; didn't try just the client though
[19:56:13] <dbs>	 but like Lucas_WMDE pointed out the install & config at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Installation#Enable_Wikibase_Client_only has a few settings that you seem to be missing
[19:57:07] <crossfader>	 I commented it out to load the default settings
[19:57:12] <aude>	 we are looking
[19:57:15] <crossfader>	 but tried the example settings as well
[19:59:35] <crossfader>	 did you connect to the wikidata.org repo, dbs?
[20:04:17] <crossfader>	 anyway, when I enable both, client and repo, I get a different error:
[20:04:40] <crossfader>	 "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError“
[20:04:51] <aude>	 did you run update.php ?
[20:05:04] <aude>	 to have the wikibase db tables added?
[20:07:24] <crossfader>	 after changing the configuration?
[20:07:38] <crossfader>	 i ran it once after installation
[20:07:51] <aude>	 again after wikibase is enabled?
[20:07:57] <crossfader>	 not yet
[20:09:39] <aude>	 we are looking at the error and trying to figure out why it's happening
[20:09:47] <aude>	 or what is missing from example  settings
[20:09:50] <crossfader>	 that was it
[20:09:56] <aude>	 ok
[20:10:13] <aude>	 does wikibase client work now?
[20:11:26] <crossfader>	 not sure
[20:12:26] <crossfader>	 guess i have to fix my interwiki table
[20:12:50] <crossfader>	 my wikibase client does not retrieve any data yet
[20:13:00] <crossfader>	 from wikidata.org
[20:13:05] <aude>	 yeah you need interwikis
[20:13:19] <aude>	 it won't get data from wikidata, only from your local wikibase repo
[20:13:28] <crossfader>	 oh
[20:13:50] <crossfader>	 :( I want to connect to wikidata
[20:14:24] <aude>	 in the future, think we want to support federated wikibase
[20:14:46] <aude>	 which might help with that
[20:15:28] <crossfader>	 found very poor documentation on how to connect with the wikidata servers
[20:15:51] <aude>	 could be via the api, but is not yet supported in wikibase
[20:16:04] <aude>	 in wikimedia, the client wikis directly access wikidata's database
[20:16:32] <aude>	 internally, but that's not possible for wikibase instances outside wikimedia (though supposedly in the future could be via the api)
[20:17:09] <crossfader>	 well  i want to use my wikibase-client within wikimedia
[20:17:38] <aude>	 probably not possible :(
[20:18:12] <crossfader>	 does that mean, i have to copy all the data from wikibase.org to my own repository to use it? and have to maintain and update the data myself?
[20:18:15] <aude>	 someone could probably code something that gets data via wikidata's api
[20:18:48] <aude>	 there's a tool that helps do that https://github.com/filbertkm/WikibaseImport though is experimental
[20:19:14] <aude>	 in the future, federation / remote data access via the api would be better
[20:21:32] <crossfader>	 now it's running so far
[20:21:48] <crossfader>	 I won't touch configuration until I know what to do,
[20:21:52] <aude>	 ok
[20:22:05] <aude>	 sounds like progress
[20:22:19] <crossfader>	 and how to connect to the wikidata.org repository, or how to set up my own base
[20:22:32] <crossfader>	 yea, some progress :)
[20:22:36] <crossfader>	 thank you
[20:22:48] <aude>	 sure
[20:23:22] <crossfader>	 for the update.php hint, which was crucial
[20:24:32] <crossfader>	 and for saving me a lot of work, telling me, that what I want to do, is not implemented within the wikimedia framework yet
[20:24:50] <crossfader>	 thx
[20:25:08] <crossfader>	 now I can populate my database with content
[20:25:11] <crossfader>	 bye