[01:47:54] Hello! Can someone please make a query for all P31:Q16521 items with P18-statements, but no P373-statements? [01:48:42] Could* [02:02:53] Never mind, i actually managed to bpah together a query :D http://tinyurl.com/y8c3aufh [08:22:14] nikki: available? [08:22:50] a bit sleepy but yes [08:23:14] there is QuickStatementsBot activity again, does it look okay? [08:23:25] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickStatementsBot [08:25:42] no, the accents are missing on the spanish [08:26:12] I tried to stop the batches last night but it doesn't seem to work :( [08:26:24] I'll try as well [08:27:07] I let magnus know and asked pokestarfan to stop the batches (which he hasn't) and then I had to go to bed [08:27:19] nikki: I'm here as well [08:27:24] hi! [08:27:24] what is the problem now? [08:27:48] sorry, I had laready been in bed but forgot pushing Leave before I did, sorry [08:28:05] another bad batch of quickstatementsbot edits :( magnus added the button to stop individual batches but it's not working, so I wondered if you could make another abuse filter to stop the edits by pokestarfan [08:28:30] I can't stop the batches as well [08:30:35] niether can I [08:31:17] so what to do? block the bot again, until magnus fixed it? [08:31:33] wait a minute [08:32:15] sure [08:32:33] It should have stopped now [08:32:41] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/99 [08:33:07] thanks :D [08:33:15] thanks :D [08:33:32] well, it did not stop, still trying to save [08:33:40] but nothing goes through [08:33:46] we should elaborate this a bit, I guess this could be useful for other users as well [08:34:17] not entering the edits is the important bit :) [08:49:33] we now have 30141 descriptions 'articulo cientifico'@es for scientific articles http://tinyurl.com/yb4oknyc [08:58:10] Blocking bots is the worst thing we can do, we kill the goose that lies the golden eggs [08:59:24] Given that Daniel indicates that it is the result of an underestimation of the volume, there is no chance of this problem going away [08:59:55] We need edits to make Wikidata halfway usable and this is how we prevent it from happening [09:00:26] Please consider the ramnifications of your actions [09:00:40] People go away not to return [09:01:11] Proposals for data inclusion will not be made because we cannot handle the traffic [09:01:48] Not entering the edits is the important bit we should avoid [09:06:01] well, if the cause performance problems it's a reason to slow down them [09:07:54] there are no performance problems at the Wikidata end [09:08:08] It is at Wikipedia where they cannot cope with the volume of changes [09:08:33] GerardM: so how would *you* help it? [09:09:09] I would have a limit the number of changes going into WIkipedia [09:09:15] we didn't block the bot, we blocked the edits triggered by a specific user [09:09:42] and because they were wrong, not that they were too fast, if I'm not mistaken [09:10:36] and we blocked the edits because they're wrong [09:11:17] That has never been a consideration [09:12:18] all the descriptions are problematic as it is, we have a replacement in automated descriptions and we do not discuss its use [09:13:10] I am working on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16006978 it fails to mention she is a geologist [09:13:30] I do not edit descriptions, I made that argument a long time ago [09:14:41] lydia is the person who needs convincing that automatic descriptions make sense [09:16:16] right [09:16:48] so our point of view does not matter, we leave it to the higher authorities?4 [09:17:18] do you really think we do a good job on descriptions in Hindi or Kannada ? [09:17:29] it sucks in any language [09:18:11] we don't have the power to integrate it [09:19:14] I don't think manual descriptions make sense either, but what can I do? I don't have commit rights, I can't tell the developers what to do [09:28:09] https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/07/wikidata-mrs-helen-m-duncan-is-not-only.html [09:33:59] fyi my approach is a combination of individual edits and mass edits [10:03:19] So close! https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements?refresh=30m&panelId=4&fullscreen&orgId=1&from=now-7d&to=now [10:11:31] nikki: Are you into OSM? Do you know if multiple ways can get grouped together? [10:13:15] not sure how into it I would say I am :P they have relations which can group objects, but I haven't seen them used very often for streets (if that's why you're asking) [10:14:27] nikki: Because in http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50680910#map=19/52.39257/4.63638 I only seem to have added it to part of the street [10:14:53] yeah, when there isn't a relation (or sometimes even when there is), tags get copied to each way [10:14:54] Street is probably 7 parts? [10:15:32] No way (pun intended) to group these 7 ways into on object which can be tagged? [10:18:50] yes, a relation (although like I said, I haven't seen them used much for streets) [10:19:34] there's both http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:street and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet but I'm not sure which is more appropriate [10:20:05] maybe the former? the latter seems more aimed at linking buildings to the street they're on [10:21:01] in the iD editor on their website, the relations are at the very bottom of the editing sidebar [10:21:37] I haven't used them much though, they seem a bit tedious to create [10:22:12] sjoerddebruin / nikki : Did get https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query#Map_of_streets_in_the_Netherlands_that_might_be_named_after_a_painter to work :-) [10:22:23] :D [10:22:31] Turns out that SERVICE wikibase:around can be used with multiple points [10:22:46] Don't know why it didn't work for me the first time [10:22:54] We should add an example to the example queries [10:23:00] Something involving volcanoes [10:23:17] there are airports around Berlin [10:23:28] Berlin is one point' [10:24:01] volcanoes around capital cities? [10:24:31] Cities within 100 km of one? [10:24:32] airports around capital cities? :P [10:24:46] Airports near volcanoes? [10:24:51] :D [10:26:22] I think airports around capital cities would be a nice way of showing how to extend the existing example [10:26:31] but as long as it works [10:28:46] Agree [10:35:22] https://www.dropbox.com/s/yvduufo94zfew5j/Schermafdruk%202017-07-30%2012.35.08.png?dl=0 :) [10:35:50] good! [10:58:13] So much better... https://www.dropbox.com/s/a8d4k7zkko10ssx/Schermafdruk%202017-07-30%2012.58.08.png?dl=0 [11:24:49] sjoerddebruin: You can see your work at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Top_creators_by_number_of_Dutch_streets [11:29:23] Yeah, I did a few in the past. :P [11:31:22] Still, not enough to influence the suggestions. [11:31:47] I haven't figured out how to match things like "Adriaan van Ostadelaan" and "Adriaan van Ostadestraat" [11:32:01] Query times out if I use replace [11:33:22] https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?language=en&project=wikipedia&ns%5B0%5D=1&labels_yes=Adriaan%20van%20Ostade%25&langs_labels_yes=nl&interface_language=en&active_tab=tab_wikidata&doit= ? [11:38:29] Something more general for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Dutch_streets_named_after_painters [11:40:29] “Bots… should check before editing entities… if the 'Median' on Special:DispatchStats… is 60 or higher and not edit.” [11:40:36] I didn’t realize we already had this in [[WD:Bots]] [11:40:37] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:Bots [11:43:20] Nobody did and afaik it isn't implemented anywhere [11:43:29] naturally [11:43:52] Who added it? [11:44:16] Some people think updating a page like that magically implements it in all bots [11:44:29] I checked history, it’s been there since at least 2015 [11:44:39] (I just was curious if it was recent, so I didn’t check any more than that) [11:45:05] Don't we have blame with the new revision history thing? [11:45:14] “Bots should respect… Special:DispatchStats” was already in by May 2013 [11:45:20] oh that would be awesome, do we? [11:46:17] okay, first mention in https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bots&diff=20382813&oldid=19971116, April 2013 [11:46:54] 60 s threshold added in https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bots&diff=230326827&oldid=161061964, July 2015 [11:47:36] Bots should only edit every 5 seconds, if you go very strict and follow the bot etiquette that is also linked. [11:47:46] I wonder how https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18934126&type=revision&diff=192927294&oldid=192927291 happened [11:49:14] WikidataFacts: You could update [11:49:15] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105764 [11:49:56] That will make all the Pywikibot based bots respect it (unless of course, someone hacks up his/her bot like some people seem to do) [11:51:46] not sure if I can do that [11:51:58] pywikibot also has a throttle option, but I don’t quite understand how that works [11:52:30] "Use maxlag=5 (5 seconds). This is an appropriate non-aggressive value, set as default value on Pywikibot. Higher values mean more aggressive behaviour, lower values are nicer." https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maxlag_parameter [11:53:01] Pywikibot throttling is a complicated lock and release system because it has to handle multiple bots at the same time [11:53:13] sjoerddebruin: does dispatch lag factor into maxlag? [11:53:52] It's not really a parent task sjoerddebruin , it's related [11:53:59] Oh, ok. [11:54:12] WikidataFacts: idk [11:56:32] WikidataFacts: maxlag is related to slave-master system, I'd say it has nothing to do with WB dispatching... [11:57:06] matej_suchanek: yeah, I suspect the same thing [11:57:20] even if it takes the job queue into account, most of the dispatch lag isn’t in the job queue [11:57:54] Note the right graphs on http://wikidata.wikiscan.org, number of edits per day is only growing. [11:58:02] Bot edits 52% compared to last year. [12:00:08] I don't think there is any other project with such high edit rates per minute, no wonder developers complained last year. [13:09:23] sjoerddebruin, nikki: another problems... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q14405376&diff=prev&oldid=528837026 [13:09:44] great [13:10:09] Keep an eye on him. [13:10:36] he came online but didn't stop QS (still blocked by AF) [13:11:12] now he does what I pointed out on Project chat... [13:11:22] No response from Magnus either, rigth? [13:11:58] saw nothing [13:26:05] sjoerddebruin, nikki: should I disable the abuse filter? [13:30:56] The semi-retired GZWDer seems to be obsessed by quantity.... [13:32:02] Not really that milestones nowadays. [13:35:37] matej_suchanek: I'm done with this. We gave him a chance and he messed up. I'm blocking him [13:36:16] if you think so... [13:46:37] matej_suchanek: In case you didn't know, this user has a long history, see for example https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PokestarFan [14:51:15] hi all, I just wrote up something about visualizing chemical structure SMILES representation: http://chem-bla-ics.blogspot.nl/2017/07/wikidata-visualizes-smiles-strings-with.html [15:29:49] Canon is distributing user manual for their product as a self-extracting zip archive. What are they even thinking? [15:30:07] Canon is distributing user manual for their product as a self-extracting zip archive. What are they even thinking? [15:30:08] sorry, wrong channel [15:38:11] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q30706723&diff=prev&oldid=528933522 [15:41:50] matej_suchanek: thank you very much. [15:41:57] How many items is it? [15:42:12] there is the number... [15:42:26] 3958? [15:42:27] 4,000+ [15:42:43] it yields some errors though [15:42:58] btw, I created the commands via SPARQL [15:43:23] Nice. [15:49:19] those errors may come from label-description uniqueness constraint... [16:31:03] multichill: I was gonna propose that we block him but you beat me to it [18:10:56] Seems like https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/ was never updated for SPARQL :9 [19:31:37] Mr.Ibrahembot again on 137 edits per minute... [19:45:07] sjoerddebruin: I couldn't change those [19:45:08] http://tinyurl.com/y73t3fdp [19:45:30] Should we just make them empty then? [19:48:39] that's your decision, isn't it? [19:49:30] Well, stad (city) is false information. [19:54:40] comparing to how many Dutch descriptions there are... [19:55:01] some 900 removed won't be destructive [19:55:22] but someone could readd them again later [19:55:40] I've blocked the bot yesterday, the owner wasn't happy. [19:55:55] But I've mentioned this error like months ago. [19:56:45] you were accussed of using strong words but either way we all know what you meant... [19:58:38] I even offered a solution, but meh. [19:59:46] you can finish it http://tinyurl.com/y92wnq7s [20:02:07] running [20:02:15] I'm going to go to bed now [20:02:24] Have a good night, thanks for your help [20:02:32] you're welcome [20:02:59] I will come back tomorrow afternoon [20:03:46] :) [20:12:38] multichill: :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/5b4mwab0xjpvwus/Schermafdruk%202017-07-30%2022.12.30.png?dl=0 [21:21:14] sjoerddebruin: Geen Dick Advocaat? [21:21:42] Achternamen als alias zijn alleen gebruikelijk bij taxonauteurs :)