[08:34:14] Lucas_WMDE: on friday i noticed a bug when using the mwapi categorymembers generator on categories that contain redirects. when combined with another graph the result explodes (basically becomes a "cross join"). are you aware if there's already an existing bug report related to that? [08:35:37] ciss: there don’t seem to be many mwapi-related tasks in general, so it probably doesn’t exist yet [08:36:21] Lucas_WMDE1: ok. are there any guidelines regarding the use of tags etc in wikidata related bug reports? [08:36:34] I’m not sure [08:36:43] I’d add wikidata and wikidata-query-service tags [08:37:40] ok, thanks [08:54:53] the latter adds the former automatically I think [08:55:46] does it? I didn’t know that was possible [08:58:42] it seems to for me, at least, I only ever add the most specific one [08:59:01] oh, cool [09:05:26] apparently Herald adds extra projects: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168193 [09:05:46] oh cool, you can see its rules at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/H30, and how it evaluated them at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/herald/transcript/1885795/ [09:06:03] that’s good to know, thanks nikki :) [09:06:24] :D [11:57:46] https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-dispatch?refresh=1m&orgId=1 Dispatch not dropping yet... [12:00:38] median dispatch lag seems to have dropped just now [12:02:27] it seems to have stuck completely :/ looks like a big trouble [12:04:33] Oh, this isn't helping. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JAnDbot [12:05:13] nothing but I manual kick will help... [12:05:21] *a [12:06:49] I especially like these edit summaries where the link doesn’t even work anymore because the ]] get truncated away: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q32858331&action=history [12:07:36] We need longer summaries for years. [12:07:40] Same for IPV6. [12:07:52] I have seen preparations for a new db schema [12:21:49] hello there, can I ask general questions about Wikidata here or is it off topic? [12:24:08] Ciccio: please do. If that was off topic, we could only share pictures of kittens here :) [12:24:42] Lol :D [12:25:26] Ok, I'll try (please, keep your kitten ready) [12:25:37] *kittens [12:31:32] I was recently swimming the LOD cloud when I suddenly come across Wikidata. It seems very cool nice ad really up-to-date. Is Wikidata a kind of manually curated LOD cloud wich integrates other RDF vocabularies? [12:35:21] Is it possible to have "and" instead of "," between politician and lawyer in this embedded data from Wikidata: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Masssly/Wikidata [12:36:26] Ciccio: I'm not familiar with LOD cloud, sorry :/ [12:36:55] mabdulai_____: strange, I would expect it there as well [12:39:44] matej_suchanek: ok, no problem [12:42:58] Ciccio: the mailing list might be a better place to ask about linked open data (assuming that's what LOD stands for) and rdf stuff [12:43:14] wikidata does have rdf and does have some properties linking to other places, but that's about all I know :) [12:49:28] ehy nikki! Thank you very much! Yes my previous LOD stands for linked open data. As fas as I've understood, also wikidata is part of the world of linked data! [13:12:50] Ciccio: if I understand correctly, Wikidata should be a node in the LOD cloud, such as DBpedia. It's a knowledge base, that is edited by a community. LOD cloud afaik gives an overview over knowledge bases and their connection to each other [13:20:59] frimelle_: thank you. I agree with your point of view. It's strange that Wikidata isn't yet in the LOD cloud. Probably it's because of its dualism with DBpedia [13:32:07] I wanted to add it a while back but that was before rdf iirc [13:32:17] So it didn't get integrated [13:32:47] But it should be in there at same point for sure [13:47:47] ok, did Wikidata start without rfd support? It should definitely be in that cloud : ) [13:57:16] Yep, it was not available in rdf (source: http://korrekt.org/papers/Wikidata-RDF-export-2014.pdf) [14:17:54] Ciccio: we did start without rdf support. But another reason is that we are still not good LoD citizens: we don't have outgoing URIs to other vocabularies. We have external IDs, but we still don't expand them to full URIs. Because... reasons. [14:18:10] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121274 [14:18:41] essentially "because we are not sure how to do it right, and I didn't have time to look into it" [14:26:08] DanielK_WMDE: well, it's a long story I guess. I think that the effective reuse of existing vocabularies is as cool as difficult to put in practice. Probably Wikidata is closer to a representation of the knowledge skeleton of Wikpedia than to a first class citizen of LoD world. [14:26:28] The semantic world is so big! :D [14:34:53] Ciccio: yea. but we have *tons* of identifiers from LoD vocabularies. it would be really nice to represent them as URIs... [14:40:05] DanielK_WMDE: it should be great! It's also a matter of time... : ) [17:53:09] noooo the query service interface has gone all weird :( [17:54:18] ah, has it been deployed? [17:56:17] it would seem so [18:08:57] I hope it'll get changed back soon, it's making me miserable [18:13:06] what’s so bad about it? [18:19:01] the button is smaller for no good reason, it's before the query (well, to the left, which is before to me), the other buttons only have icons and I don't know what they do, and that thing where they change colour when I go near them sends my brain haywire [18:20:21] No idea why all buttons change colour indeed. [18:20:28] Two buttons for examples... [18:20:41] The run button not exactly square. :P [18:21:40] the idea behind moving the run button is that the toolbar where it used to be should be moved to the result view [18:21:44] so that it will be available in embed mode [18:21:57] so you can e. g. adjust the timeline and graph views even in embed mode [18:24:21] and I know from previous experience that most people won't have a problem with it, which makes me feel stupid and oversensitive and hence miserable >_< [18:26:43] is the button color thing really so bad? they just go semi-transparent so they’re not as obtrusive when you’re not using them, and to highlight the run button more (which is the most important one) [18:32:40] well, it caused me to send my mouse flying across the desk :P but I don't know why it bothers me. maybe it's the unexpected sense of movement or something [18:34:00] I would prefer some ease-in animation or whatever, but I don’t know enough CSS to do that [20:17:26] Krinkle: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/362876/ (could you have a quick look) [20:18:05] I keep having merge conflicts