[09:54:57] <nikki>	 ugh... it seems like we don't actually have an item that works for selecting languages/dialects/language families/etc
[09:56:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 ?
[09:57:47] <nikki>	 I want to find languages and dialects and stuff like that. I tried Q34770 (language) but that excludes far too many things
[09:58:16] <nikki>	 the only thing it's a subclass of is Q17376908 (langoid) but that includes a huge range of things, including computer languages, and things like "LOL" and terminology like "trio"
[10:02:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 Some dialects aren't correctly tagged yet.
[10:03:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements?refresh=30m&panelId=4&fullscreen&orgId=1 is going steady, reaching 6 soon.
[10:03:18] <nikki>	 so it seems the only way I can select what I want is to list lots of items, since they don't have any common ancestor which doesn't include all sorts of irrelevant stuff
[10:04:26] <nikki>	 it seems like langoid is *supposed* to be the item I want
[10:05:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 You just need to exclude some trees.
[10:10:12] <nikki>	 I still have to list a load of items
[10:10:20] <nikki>	 and I have to find all the items I need to exclude
[10:10:23] <nikki>	 annoying :/
[10:24:47] <Lucas_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: nice, looks like we might even hit 6.5 by WikidataCon
[10:25:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 The downfall was the mass-creation of new items with only sitelinks.
[10:25:45] <Lucas_WMDE>	 why were they created? Wiktionary Phase 1?
[10:26:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Nah, some user just imported new articles from various projects.
[10:27:02] <Lucas_WMDE>	 ah, okay
[10:27:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hope they are getting at least one statement now.
[10:39:03] <Lucas_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: the distribution of items with no statements by last-edited date looks interesting: http://tinyurl.com/ybgdcrrl
[10:39:16] <Lucas_WMDE>	 looks like it’s not really newer items
[10:39:25] <Lucas_WMDE>	 at least if that sample is representative
[10:40:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 There should be a gap if you only select items with a Dutch sitelink. ;)
[10:43:12] <nikki>	 wiktionary stuff is outside the main namespace so those are easy to add at least one statement for
[10:43:28] <nikki>	 (generally categories or templates)
[10:44:33] <nikki>	 and I've been trying (despite the property suggester's and our data's best efforts) to add category combines topics to the categories too so quite a few of the new items for categories have three statements
[10:52:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 let's see if i can help with that
[13:07:19] <Jhs>	 sjoerddebruin, you broke it!
[13:07:21] <Jhs>	 autoEdit
[13:07:30] <Jhs>	 you forgot a comma after 		'fy': 'Wikimedia-list'
[13:07:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah, I see!
[13:08:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wish we had better syntax highlighting.
[13:08:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Fixed.
[13:08:40] <Jhs>	 thx :)
[16:00:49] <nikki>	 Alphos: are you around?
[16:01:00] <Alphos>	 yep
[16:01:19] <nikki>	 yay! I have questions involving french sitelinks :P
[16:01:27] <Alphos>	 oh dear :D shoot away ^^
[16:01:54] <Alphos>	 note i only delve into frwiki, the other ones not so much ;)
[16:03:48] <nikki>	 someone added "Catégorie:langues ouïghoures" as the french wiktionary link to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9577786 which seems wrong, since it appears to be about a family of languages, not the individual language
[16:04:00] <nikki>	 I think I found the right place for it, but I'm not sure whether the frwiki link is ok or not
[16:05:31] <Alphos>	 there's a confusion on frwiki as well
[16:06:14] <Alphos>	 Uzbek is in that frwiki cat, whereas enwiki (and i assume wikidata) only refer to the uyghur language itself, not the family that bears its name
[16:06:23] <nikki>	 yeah
[16:06:42] <Alphos>	 y u do dis, peeple ?! ಠ_ಠ
[16:06:55] <Alphos>	 just finishing something, i'll be right back
[16:09:41] <nikki>	 and to make it more confusing, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1483354 has two main categories
[16:09:53] <nikki>	 (thanks to ukwiki)
[16:12:13] <Alphos>	 (because of course they do)
[16:16:37] <Alphos>	 there, more or less done
[16:18:38] <Alphos>	 ok, just checked, frwiki doesn't have a general cat for uyghur languages
[16:19:14] <Alphos>	 wait
[16:19:26] <Alphos>	 no, the other way around
[16:19:35] <Alphos>	 it doesn't have a cat for the uyghur language per se
[16:20:12] <nikki>	 so both french categories should be moved, I guess
[16:21:04] <Alphos>	 no they shouldn't
[16:21:13] <Alphos>	 it's already done :p
[16:21:21] <nikki>	 oh :D
[16:21:37] <Alphos>	 (got you fooled, there, didn't i ? :p )
[16:21:50] <nikki>	 thanks :)
[16:21:53] <Alphos>	 mind if i pm you shortly ?
[16:21:58] <nikki>	 go ahead
[16:52:17] <Alphos>	 Lucas_WMDE : so what's with the halves of altkanzler ? :p
[16:52:26] <Alphos>	 (iirc you're "him" :p )
[16:57:32] <Lucas_WMDE>	 Alphos: wdym? There’s no .5 count in the chart
[16:57:56] <Lucas_WMDE>	 it just set the y scale to that level because the range is small enough
[16:58:01] <Alphos>	 ^^
[16:58:21] <Alphos>	 still looks weird to see it there :D
[16:58:51] <Alphos>	 it would be awesome to have keywords to set the axis scale
[16:59:08] <Lucas_WMDE>	 yeah
[16:59:12] <Alphos>	 (much like we do set the output type, as a map/table/graph/etc
[16:59:43] <Alphos>	 anyway, gotta go have dinner, later :)
[17:05:25] <Lucas_WMDE>	 Alphos: don’t worry, I’m not going away, I’m stuck on the train back to Berlin until 10pm :/
[17:14:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 daww
[17:16:07] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin / nikki : Any idea why we have a ton of templates like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:ISO_639_name sitting on Wikidata?
[17:16:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ask the creator.
[17:17:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Only use is in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Norse/Suggested_constraints
[17:20:56] <nikki>	 yeah, I knew nothing about them until just now
[17:50:12] <multichill>	 nikki: My trigger was the i18n categories
[17:50:42] <multichill>	 The bot I blocked
[18:41:09] <nikki>	 Lucas_WMDE: how long does the train take? will this higher speed thing I heard they want to introduce in december make that journey shorter or is it not the right route?
[18:41:30] <Lucas_WMDE>	 nikki: that will definitely speed the route up, yes
[18:41:39] <Lucas_WMDE>	 the train I’m on now takes quite a detour
[18:43:03] <nikki>	 that seems to often be the case
[19:11:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Recent changes on Wikidata is very slow today...
[20:25:57] <glorian_wd>	 DanielK_WMDE: I saw your comment. I am working on the patch now. Will update it by tonight
[20:45:49] <glorian_wd>	 DanielK_WMDE: I've updated the patch :)
[21:24:51] <Jhs>	 sjoerddebruin, you here? could you check to see if there is a separate "autopatrolled" right in Wikidata? Check by going to e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Jon+Harald+S%C3%B8by
[21:25:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 There isn't.
[21:25:06] <Jhs>	 thx
[21:25:18] <Jhs>	 this script https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-dataDrainer.js seems to rely on it, but i couldn't find it in [[Special:ListUserGroups]]
[21:25:18] <AsimovBot>	 10[8] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListUserGroups
[21:56:46] <Jhs>	 sjoerddebruin, want to do some {{editprotected}} requests? :-) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-dataDrainer.js#autopatrolled (bottom paragraph) and then the bottom two sections
[21:56:46] <AsimovBot>	 10[9] 1010https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Edit_request - Redirección desde 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:editprotected?redirect=no
[22:00:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 will take a look soon