[16:37:08] Do we have a property for ''ancestors''? [16:52:45] Do we have a property for ''ancestors''? [16:54:55] Rodejong: “relative” with qualifier “type of kinship”: “ancestor”. Here’s a list of examples: http://tinyurl.com/z62j253 [16:56:21] (hm, I think the two “Germaine Deschanel” ones are out of order…) [16:56:56] Ok, thanks [16:58:16] Do we havea specifik date property for people who are ''knighted''? [16:59:52] oh dear, that's not easy to find [17:00:30] Rodejong: I don’t think so, just “award received” https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2072926#P166 [17:00:31] I have been looking through many properties :( [17:01:02] WikidataFacts: and do you know how to document the room in a museum where an item is on display? [17:01:09] oof [17:01:22] I don’t recall anything [17:01:26] I'd love to have the room and the diplay case [17:01:27] just location, perhaps? [17:01:52] e. g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12418#P276 [17:02:00] Those properties only name the award, not the date [17:02:08] Rodejong: qualifier “point in time” [17:02:28] Is allready in use for another one :D [17:02:33] oh, nice [17:02:34] hm? [17:04:08] I am writing an Infobox about Ancestry [17:05:41] WikidataFacts: splendid! [17:06:12] Rodejong: I don’t understand why an award would have two points in time… there should only be one official point in time for the award, right? [17:06:23] (not sure if it would be the announcement or the formal ceremony, but one of them, no?) [17:06:36] if the person received the award twice: two separate statements, each with one point in time [17:07:30] When a family gets promoted in status. [17:07:30] And I have an item for a person being knighted [17:07:42] I can use that property only once [17:07:43] :D [17:08:51] I’m sorry, I still don’t understand [17:09:08] a person is being knighted, and with them their whole family? (hereditary knighthood?) [17:10:10] Doesn't have to be the same time [17:11:38] The family could be promoted in one year but the forefather was knighted at another year [17:13:21] WikidataFacts: oh and would you have any idea on how we could go about to describe the previous owners of an item? I put them in "exhibition history" but that's weird [17:14:25] Rodejong: okay, I didn’t know that was possible [17:14:47] I’d say in that case the statement, and point in time qualifier, would belong on the family item, not on the individual’s item [17:14:55] Me neither, but they have told me that (I'm making it for others) :D [17:14:56] (linked via the existing “noble family” property) [17:15:01] ah, okay :D [17:15:14] and perhaps there’s some way to record which member of the family earned the whole family the title, so to speak [17:15:42] Rama: “owned by” with point in time / start/end time qualifiers and non-preferred rank, perhaps? [17:22:15] WikidataFacts: good idea, though I would not have those dates [17:31:14] Rama: then perhaps “unknown value”, to at least indicate that the statement ended at some time, though it’s unknown when [18:09:36] Do we have a property for "extinct"? [18:11:13] Rodejong: IUCN conservation status: extinct, apparently – https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q43502#P141 [18:11:30] (tip: looking at similar items is a good way to find properties :) ) [18:12:57] Yeah, tried that. But was looking for an property "Family who died out" [18:13:06] oh [18:13:07] or no offspring left [18:13:09] not animals! :D [18:13:12] nope [18:13:16] Still ancestry [18:13:19] :D [18:13:28] hrm, let’s see if I can think of any examples there… [18:13:43] (other than The Peverells and The Blacks ;) ) [18:13:52] Perhaps that there have tobe created a few in this category [18:16:56] good grief, we actually do have items for the Black family and the Peverell family o_O [18:17:07] no useful statements on them though [18:20:19] hmmm [18:21:04] I am missing quite a lot of properties for making an ancestry infobox :( [18:21:06] I can’t think of any real noble families that died out, I don’t know enough about nobility [18:22:03] and searching for “extinct family” of course only turns up pages upon pages of extinct species [18:24:23] hmmm [18:24:26] okay [18:27:00] We don't even have a "naturalisation" :/ [20:34:42] Hello [20:35:52] little question about Lua scripting : is there any way to have Wikimedia templates in the output of Lua script? [20:46:08] Foudn it [20:51:49] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on wikidata is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1894 bytes in 0.106 second response time [20:56:49] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on wikidata is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1890 bytes in 0.090 second response time