[05:18:47] When properties and items are deleted, can their IDs ever be reused? [06:28:23] you will get a new number automatically, so they will not be re-used [06:28:46] in theory you can re-use them, but only if you're sure they are not used on WikiData [06:29:12] but why bother, it's just a meaningless number.... [06:29:45] and if you would reuse it, it will have deleted history behind it from another item... [06:30:00] ... [07:09:44] I'm actually hoping the opposite, that they can't be-reused. If another data source is relying on wikidata entity and preposition IDs, it's probably better that they can't be reused, instead of having an ID go away and then reappear, but attached to a different item/preposition. [10:32:14] in general new items are created in a way that they get a new number automatically... so it's unsual (and indeed not needed nor wanted) that they will be re-used [10:32:50] most items that are gone are merged, so they leave a redirect and are not deleted... [10:33:18] and even "deleted" items are not really deleted, but made insibile to us, normal users... but sysops can still see the history of such an item [11:06:33] jedo, rodarmor: you should never reuse ids even if you think it's not in use on wikidata, because that doesn't mean someone outside wikidata hasn't used it [11:07:09] and we have unlimited ids, we don't need to restrict the assignment of new ones :) [12:45:11] hi, may i ask a question here? [12:45:37] you probably might know, that at wikimedia commons many graphics have SVG replacements [12:45:48] they get tagged with {{vva}} or {{Vector version available}} [12:45:49] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:vva13 => [12:45:52] 10[2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Vector_version_available [12:46:33] I would like to check for all Wikidata images (P18) whether is there is a vector version [12:47:33] it's an nuisance, that the better vector versions often don't dissipate into most of the wikipedias [12:47:59] but if you help me, it could be fixed [12:57:33] bobfritz: which bit do you need help with? [12:58:40] also note that most wikipedias don't make much use of wikidata right now, so fixing the links in wikidata won't necessarily fix the wikipedias :/ [12:59:35] nikki: i'm a noob to wikidata [12:59:57] i can do normal queries, but i have no clue how to connect it with the presence of a certain template [13:03:11] hmm... I wonder if it's possible using a sql query (on quarry.wmflabs.org) [13:03:55] the p18 statements do show up as links to the file on commons, but I have no idea where to find that in the database [13:19:13] nikki: I've asked at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Quarry [13:19:20] hope that someone will help me [13:20:09] I think I might have something [13:23:56] https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/16036 the ones I checked seem right [13:24:29] that's just the image names and would include anything used on wikidata which isn't in a p18 statement (or a statement at all) but I assume it's mostly p18 statements [13:27:21] nikki: thank you [13:27:51] and how do i get the wikidata items for give image name? [13:39:44] bobfritz: if you refresh the page, there should now be a column with the id :) (it's also now only returning items, not any wikidata page) [13:48:10] nikki: thank you so much! [13:48:26] i don't want to bother you further, i can manually through the list [13:48:58] but would it be possible to extract the argument of the template ({{vva|...}})? [13:48:59] 10[3] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:vva [13:52:01] I don't think quarry has access to that [18:39:06] Is there something like wikidata but without the notability restrictions? I have interest in working on a dataset, but the point of entering probably >50% of the info is in using query facilities to *help determine* if an item is notable. [18:39:41] (and that may change quickly based on new events) [19:14:51] bavmorta: the closest thing would probably be setting up your own copy of wikibase, but that might be too impractical [19:15:15] I don't have any other suggestions though :/ [19:15:27] nikki: How hard is it to set up an instance of wikibase? [19:15:33] bavmorta: What's the dataset? [19:16:15] I'm not sure, I've never really tried [19:21:00] It looks hard, unfortunately. I'm looking at wikiba.se, but I can't find anything that gives instructions for spinning up an instance of wikibase. [19:30:38] Lydia_WMDE: you're always interested in feedback, right? [21:50:56] do you folks see a difference between `commemorates:wikidata=*` and `subject:wikidata=*`? [21:55:58] oops wrong channel, should have been #osm [21:55:59] lol