[09:32:48] <mhv>	 hi
[09:34:02] <mhv>	 I got a question, I have made a query to list all Civil War Battles with Location. Using the is part of Property.
[09:34:12] <mhv>	 The problem is I get only 20 results (no limit set).
[09:34:45] <mhv>	 Yet, there are battles that have both the geolocation & is part of that are not listed, e.g. the Battle of Hancock.
[09:38:57] <mhv>	 hello
[09:39:14] <mhv>	 anyone not idle here?
[12:05:14] <paradx>	 yes but i can't answer your question
[12:33:57] <pintoch>	 mhv: can you give a link to your query? (query.wikidata.org has a "share" functionality that will give you a shortened url)
[12:34:26] <pintoch>	 ah, gone
[12:35:45] <pintoch>	 I've got another question: it seems very painful to add academic sources to statements, as described in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources
[12:37:03] <pintoch>	 is there any project to provide a simpler interface on top of that? I'd like to be able to say that a statement comes from a particular DOI, and all the relevant items would be created using that
[12:37:32] <pintoch>	 something like "Citoid for Wikidata"
[12:37:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 As statements? I think there is a citoid script for references.
[12:39:53] <pintoch>	 yeah, like adding an item for the journal article I want to cite, and filling it with all the relevant bibliographic metadata
[12:40:05] <pintoch>	 it looks like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite_2016/Proposals/Citoid_integration_for_Wikidata is the place for that
[15:14:12] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: Was some of ordering change deployed? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28471286 inventory number shows at the bottom for me
[15:14:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: it shouldn't yet have but it looks like it is live now
[15:15:08] * Lydia_WMDE looks more
[15:15:12] <multichill>	 haha
[15:15:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hmm no
[15:15:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 on another item it is still incorrect
[15:15:40] * Lydia_WMDE purges
[15:15:40] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q28471286&action=history I added inventory number first and url last
[15:16:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ah with a purge it is "correct" now
[15:16:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 on that other item
[15:16:07] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill <- just take a random item here
[15:16:31] * Lydia_WMDE looks if gadget is still enabled for her account
[15:16:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 nope disabled
[15:17:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so yeah it is live even though i thought it'd only go out this week
[15:17:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 oh well. we now have more sensible ordering :D
[15:18:24] <multichill>	 Is the sorting at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties ?
[15:18:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes
[15:19:19] <multichill>	 Any documentation I can link from at the talk page?
[15:20:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 besides "all items and properties will be ordered based on the order defined here"?
[15:20:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 there isn't more to it really
[15:21:06] <multichill>	 So it's just a flat list?
[15:21:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[15:22:16] <multichill>	 ouch
[15:22:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ?
[15:26:03] <multichill>	 Bit crude, will lead to discussions
[15:27:23] <multichill>	 We'll see, at least it's in MediaWiki namespace so it's only admins who can fight about it ;-)
[15:28:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hehe
[15:29:21] <multichill>	 I modified that page a bit and I don't see the effect yet. Some lag in there? 
[15:29:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you might need to purge the page it should have an effect on
[15:29:43] <multichill>	 already tried that
[15:30:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hmmm then it should work. but i can check with thiemo tomorrow
[15:30:11] <multichill>	 And I'm creating new items right now
[15:30:42] <multichill>	 Good start! Finally we can have arbitrary sorting dicussions! ;-)
[15:31:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i hope there won't actually be too much discussion about it
[15:31:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but we will see
[15:31:59] <multichill>	 Version 2 should make it possible to have this global list and have a per domain override based on P31 -> (something). That would be really nice
[15:32:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the alternative is have people bitch about how the first statement about alan turing is that he was gay and similar things
[15:32:16] <multichill>	 Yeah, it's an improvement, no doubt about that
[15:32:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah if needed we can look at that if discussion around it befcomes too much
[15:33:21] <multichill>	 We have quite a few big domains that can benefit from good sorting (humans, taxons, works of art)
[15:34:03] <multichill>	 Almost 200.000 paintings btw :-D
[15:34:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 right. my hope is that we can achieve that with what is there now since there isn't too much overlap in properties that would need conflicting sorting
[15:34:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 might be wrong of course but i'd like to see if it is really needed
[15:35:20] <multichill>	 Hope so too, we'll see
[15:35:46] <GerardM>	 it helps already as you can expect where things are