[13:52:54] <Rodejong>	 Hi, is someone available for a more simple question?
[13:53:16] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 if simple, yes
[13:55:43] <Rodejong>	 I just need to find out where I can read about using information from Wikidata on Wikipedia, and if it has to be sourced on Wikipedia as well, or that the sources on Wikipedia are sufficiant. When using infoboxes, it leaves not so much space for using <ref></ref>
[13:56:39] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 well, that depend on the Wikipedia
[13:56:45] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 each has its own rules
[13:57:08] <Rodejong>	 Normally with Commons, you just click the image and there are the sources, but With Wikipedia it's a bit different
[13:57:10] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 but if the source is present on Wikidata, there are way to show them on WP also
[13:57:19] <Rodejong>	 How?
[13:57:24] <Rodejong>	 With LUA?
[13:57:29] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 yes it's lua :p
[13:57:33] <Rodejong>	 Hmmm
[13:58:10] <Rodejong>	 Danish Wikipedia doesn't really have the Know How to use or develop with LUA
[13:58:24] <Rodejong>	 We are merely copying what we see :)
[13:58:25] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 seems to me like what you need is one or two decent lua writers
[13:58:48] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 who can adapt existing modules for a Danish version
[13:59:05] <Rodejong>	 Yeah, wished we had a few of those
[13:59:14] <Rodejong>	 But we don't
[13:59:22] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 ask on the community page
[13:59:38] <Rodejong>	 From #lua?
[13:59:46] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 no, on Wikidata
[13:59:56] <Rodejong>	 ah ok
[14:00:10] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 I know a french contributor helped make a lua module for svwiki
[14:00:23] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 so maybe you can find volunteers for dawiki
[14:00:44] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 and for now you only ask about things that already exists
[14:00:59] <Rodejong>	 hmmm ok
[14:01:00] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 I mean, WP:fr use Wikidata's references
[14:01:15] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 so the lua module exists in French
[14:01:22] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 it needs to be adapted
[14:01:29] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 but not created from the void :p
[14:01:41] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 could be a challenge for some coders
[14:01:46] <Rodejong>	 yeah... the ones I spoke with on DAWP don't understand French
[14:01:54] <Rodejong>	 Neither do I
[14:02:23] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 yes but you can find a French coder who speak English
[14:02:37] <Rodejong>	 yeah I will try 
[14:02:43] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 and explain to them how Danish handle gender/singular/plural, etc.
[14:03:16] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 every little thing which oblige us to show on WP something other than just the raw data from WD
[14:03:31] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 and I need to go back to work
[14:03:33] <Rodejong>	 yeah understood
[14:03:35] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 good luck :)
[14:03:43] <Rodejong>	 Thanks for helping again
[14:56:14] <Guest82758>	 i'm missing netherlands from "members of the european union" in my query "SELECT ?country WHERE {?country wdt:P31 wd:Q185441} "
[14:56:58] <Guest82758>	 I think it is because that property has a startdate and all the others country don't. How do I query for this?
[15:09:18] <Guest82758>	 how do I query for properties wiht a start time (P580)?
[15:10:53] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 using p: and ps: as prefixes
[15:18:06] <Guest82758>	 sry, I can't figure it out, I try to match the fact that Netherlands (Q55) is an instance of (P31) of "member of the european union" (Q185441). But it does not show up.
[15:20:24] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 Guest15972: link to your query?
[15:21:05] <Guest82758>	 https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fcountry%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fcountry%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ185441%0A%7D
[15:21:25] <Guest82758>	 Q55 (Netherlands) is missing
[15:23:19] <Guest82758>	 but https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55 says it is in fact an instance of wd:Q185441 (but with there is this "start time" line)
[15:24:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 But not as P31
[15:24:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 oh yes
[15:24:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 hmmm
[15:24:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 weir
[15:24:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh wait
[15:24:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 one has preferred, that shouldn't be done
[15:26:30] <Guest82758>	 now it works, thx (what have you exactly changed?)
[15:28:02] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 the ranks
[15:28:18] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 Q55 had a preferred P31
[15:28:27] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 so the other P31 didn't show up in queries
[21:27:19] <Rodejong>	 Do we have a property that describes what we know the object from? Or do we only have P800 that sums up all accomplishments?
[21:29:56] <Rodejong>	 We know Einstein for Mc2. How do we mention that with the right property?
[21:31:37] <Rodejong>	 Rowan atkinson as Mr. Bean; We use {known for} in our infoboxes, but I can't find a property that reflects that 
[21:58:41] <maxlath>	 Rodejong: I would go for P800 too, but I can find only one comparable case in use https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fhuman%20%3FhumanLabel%20%3Fvalue%20%3FvalueLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%3Fhuman%20wdt%3AP800%20%3Fvalue%20.%0A%20%20%20%3Fvalue%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ11345%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20.%0A%20%20%20%7D%0A%7D%0ALIM
[22:06:30] <Rodejong>	 That was not what I was looking for. but thanks anyway