[01:24:08] PROBLEM - puppet last run on wdqs1002 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues [01:53:08] RECOVERY - puppet last run on wdqs1002 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 56 seconds ago with 0 failures [08:00:03] I really hate the item search and how bad its results are [08:00:31] it's really tempting to just give up and start using the capital of the maldives as a gender [08:05:03] or to go find some other project to contribute to that's less of a bloody obstacle course to edit [08:13:10] it's not just that that makes it an obstacle course... the way the page won't load in the background, the broken property suggestions, the interface jumping around when trying to edit things, the lack of keyboard navigation... [09:44:42] JeroenDeDauw: Should I tag the datatypes 1.0.0 release? [11:27:44] nikki: with the next deployment the jumping should get less. thiemo made some fixes there. [11:27:55] nikki: can you list the keyboard navigation issues? [11:30:28] iirc what thiemo fixed is the thing where the entire page shifts down as the page loads... the jumping that drives me nuts is when working with dates or monolingual text and the fields/links move around as it hides/shows the fields (e.g. I often miss the "add qualifier" link, then the link I'm trying to click moves somewhere else >_<) [11:30:58] nikki: about the ranking: marius worked on improving the suggestions. that should be merged soon too. i was just thinking of taking into account the number of links to an item into the weighting. i'll poke if that is possible [11:31:39] nikki: hmmmm i'm not sure what you mean. let me try [11:31:44] sec [11:33:12] number of links would be awesome, I do remember hoo mentioning that there should be some changes and I've been keeping track of examples of bad ones on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Nikki/Item_search (not the ones where a disambiguation item gets ranked first, I already made a ticket for those) [11:33:30] *nod* [11:33:37] ok so for the jumping: [11:33:41] i am editing a date [11:33:55] do you mean the change when clicking edit? or the one when clicking into the field? [11:36:48] hm. I think it happens most when I'm editing qualifiers or references, so I'll enter a date, the parser thing pops up and all the links shift down, then I go to add another qualifier/reference, miss the link by a couple of pixels, which causes the focus to shift to the page and the parser to go away and the links to all shift back up [11:37:43] ok let me try that [11:38:54] ok i think i see what you mean [11:39:44] also if you have a date field and another field below it (e.g. in a reference), clicking the first field will cause the second to shift down, and if you miss the second field, it also moves [11:40:03] I dunno if I just have really bad aim, but sometimes it's like playing whack-a-mole to try and focus the field :P [11:40:41] next time I notice it happening a lot I'll make a note of what I was doing [11:42:34] that's be super useful [11:42:35] as for the keyboard stuff... there's various things, like it no longer focuses the field when clicking edit, I can't save monolingual text (or units, iirc) from the popup thing (which is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96160), I have no idea how to add multiple statements for the same property without using the mouse [11:42:49] we're currently looking into how we can move to OOUI [11:42:57] and that involves rethinking some of the inputs [11:43:07] so feedback like that is super helpful [11:43:56] ok let me finish putting the first two thngs into emails and then i'll look into the keyboard navigation [11:43:56] for monolingual text and units, it would be nice if the field didn't vanish at all, you can't see what's selected once the field loses focus [11:44:09] *nod* [11:44:32] like I've been using aude's reference thing and keep accidentally saving it with english as the title language because I can't see what the language is set to [11:45:17] *nod* [11:50:52] ok two emails sent about the first two [11:50:58] now keyboard navigation [11:51:13] Just want to add that this jumping drives me nuts, too :) [11:51:19] heh [11:51:21] fair enough [11:51:25] yay, it's not just me :D [11:51:29] :D [11:52:02] I mis-click about 1/3 of the time. I thought it was just eye-hand coordination decreasing as I get older :) [11:52:40] -.- that bad? [11:53:05] yup, because when items have about a gazillion properties, it takes forever for them to render [11:53:44] I keep wondering if something like the ancient folding editor for Occam might be nice. [11:54:00] But the hard thing is that you are looking to see if a property has already been added [11:54:40] nikki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40968 <- i'll add this ticket to the suggestions for what to work on in the next quarter. and i'll ask lea to ask for people to add their issues there [11:56:59] nikki: re ranking: Daniel says if we move the store for that to elastic we can get it basically for free. so i'll increase the priority of that [11:57:24] ooh good [11:58:36] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150179 btw [11:58:45] you can add stuff before monday if you want [12:06:26] I wonder how hard it would be to make the keyshortcuts gadget support adding another statement like the one just added [12:07:28] it seems complicated since it would need to know which was the last added statement, the things it supports right now are all static links [12:07:50] *nod* [12:08:23] It would be good and perhaps not too complex to fix the issues with JS that makes us refresh the pages [12:08:36] But I don't know the task ID [12:10:20] ... nor the task itself :S [12:11:34] which issues are you looking for? I know of one problem where the js fails to load the edit links, another where stuff like commons categories and coordinates don't get linked and there's also the bug with the duplicate references gadget where you have to refresh to make it work on new statements [12:12:09] I was thinking on the first one [12:14:36] However, those three are... interesting :) [12:17:05] hm. the only ticket I know of the first one is sjoerd's https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146069 [12:29:41] I experience that problem, but I think I don't use the script that Sjoerd links [12:33:56] Perhaps it's not a problem of JS, my HTML code doesn't even have the string "Add a new statement" (?) [12:34:41] It does when I reload the page [14:47:41] @seen Incabell [17:11:53] Hello all, can someone change the data type of HomoloGene ID (P593) to "External identifier"? Thanks! [17:34:21] yurik: do you know if it's possible to do a sparql query and easily figure out which of the items returned *aren't* linked from osm? sorta the reverse of those maps you did [17:35:22] nikki, at this point you have to do two queries - one via kartotherian and one directly, and compare which ones are not being returned from kartotherian [17:36:01] it would be fairly extensive to do it in kartotherian, and i don't want to add a complex code path when there is very few corner use cases for it [17:36:39] hmm [17:37:08] i mean - it is possible, but then kartotherian would return a totally new dataset that's not directly usable by most clients [17:38:48] maybe I should just figure out how to do myself with the overpass api [17:39:26] I don't really need to put it into a wiki page, I just want some tool I can use that doesn't involve too much work [17:39:36] because I can't keep track of everything I've added tags for in osm :P [17:43:37] heh... I wonder if anyone's tried to add wikidata tags to osm for all the dutch streets [17:51:28] nikki, i tried (successfully, but with lots of complains :)) added wikidata tags for all admin polygons [17:51:35] it is very easy with JOSM now [17:51:47] IIF the wikipedia tag is already in place [17:52:05] yeah, I doubt they have tags already [17:53:33] but since someone imported all the streets in the netherlands to wikidata, anything that's a street in the netherlands is likely to have a wikidata item [17:53:44] nikki, take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads#Maplinks.2FJSON_.28possible_replacement_for_KML.29 [17:54:38] nikki, point being - in OSM you don't usually want to mark the road with the tag if that road is "complex" - multiple segments [17:54:49] instead, you want to mark the relationship [17:55:06] if there is one... [17:55:11] yep [17:55:36] and even worse, sometimes there is a super relationship :) [17:55:46] and we currently don't process it too well [17:55:59] so its better to have the tags on all rels that are part of the superrel [17:57:38] heh... I don't remember even seeing a relation for a road, let alone a superrelation [17:57:49] it probably varies between regions [18:02:12] nikki, i guess it is more common for highways. Not many roads have multiple segments with different tags (speed, etc) [18:02:39] nikki, i could really use your wikidata+osm expertise for something related though :) If you have energy for it :) [18:03:08] after i added ~100k WD ids to relations, there are about 4000 that are dups [18:03:21] and need to figure them out [18:03:32] here there are plenty of roads with multiple segments, for things like bus routes :) but people don't seem to care about having relations for the streets [18:04:27] its just that i think cleaning up roads won't have as big of an impact as admin districts - most articles are about those [18:05:15] and btw, many of them are in NL [18:05:54] hm, so you have a list and basically just need people to go through it and fix/remove the bad data in osm? [18:07:06] (I could definitely do some of those, probably not *all* of them though!) [18:07:49] :) basically yes, but it might require some wikidata magic - like figuring out the proper wikidata admin structure [18:08:23] sec, almost done reformatting the table [18:11:10] nikki, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yurik/OSM_duplicates2 [18:11:33] nikki, i might have fixed the first one or two [18:12:33] nikki, yep, first is already fixed, removing [18:49:07] nikki, i updated format and instructions - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yurik/OSM_duplicates2 [18:51:33] ok :) [18:51:38] would it be possible to group them by country? [19:14:45] a person borin in Brugge, Belgium in 1596 ... should it have P27=Q31 ? [20:08:22] edoderoo: imho yes [21:34:43] any Wikidata admins? [21:34:46] I need a page blocked [21:34:50] Page blocked? [21:34:55] I mean [21:34:56] an item [21:35:08] But still, blocked? [21:35:12] there are rumors of the death of this person, it hasn't been confirmed yet [21:35:30] and this person's item page on Wikidata has been vandalized [21:36:25] it's item Q2287542 [21:36:31] I reverted the vandalism [21:37:43] Oh, protected. [21:38:26] did I say "blo... [21:38:28] jeeez I'm sorry [21:38:34] I obviously meant protected [21:40:41] I've added the page to my watchlist, I'll protect if it happens again. [21:41:20] okay, thanks [21:44:13] looks like the rumor died, anyway [21:44:14] :| [21:59:29] sjoerddebruin: Did you spend time on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/without_claims_by_site/nlwiki ? Date seems to have jumped to august 2014 [21:59:45] multichill: no, i'm not very busy with wiki stuff atm [22:00:03] We were stuck in March for a while, pretty sure that was March 2015 [22:00:11] yes i'm too [22:02:22] Hmm, looking at the history, it was probably 2014 [22:05:54] sjoerddebruin: Seems to have gone down a bit from 21.500 to just above 20.000 [22:26:33] just kick out a few a day ... [22:31:46] yes, new ones are quite easy, the older ones are much harder edoderoo! [22:39:38] some are quite impossible, that is true [22:49:30] I don't create items anymore if I can not add at least one property [23:14:49] I'm currently having "fun" with European universities. I made a SPARQL query to show me the universities from a country that are still in operation and don't have an official web site listed. [23:15:20] It turns out that many institutions are listed as universities that aren't, they are just institutes or vocational schools. [23:16:21] And some don't exist anymore, so I need to put in wdt:P576 (dissolved) [23:16:37] It's kind of amazing how many errors you find when you are looking for other things. [23:17:41] that's what gets you addicted to fixing things :) [23:22:39] nikki, i sorted that list by the language [23:23:55] DanielK_WMDE :) I already had that addiction years ago on Wikipedia and I thought I had cured it. Apparently, it was lying latent….