[00:32:42] <yurik>	 "commons datasets" info was posted to the wikitech-l... now we need a bot that creates those pages from sparql queries :)
[07:33:58] <paradx>	 hi, is it possible to change a dataitem (a weight category) to a property and how would you do such a thing? 
[07:34:49] <paradx>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5636358 would be the item i would like to have as property
[07:36:55] <Base>	 No, that item is obviously legit one, it has sitelinks and stuff. You can request a new property creation
[07:38:01] <Base>	 Though I see that displacement is an alias label for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2067 so people probably decided to use this one for the thing
[07:38:14] <Base>	 Which actually makes sense
[08:08:07] <paradx>	 okay and when I want a new property created how would that work?
[09:18:09] <nikki>	 paradx: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal where new properties are proposed
[09:19:03] <nikki>	 it looks like displacement is an alias of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2067 though, so if you think that property isn't appropriate, you should explain why
[09:21:09] <nikki>	 (in your proposal, I mean...)
[09:40:42] <RODEJONG>	 If we want to change the language name of a country in Danish, does this have to be done through Wikidata?
[09:50:19] <Base>	 RODEJONGwhat do you mean?
[09:50:57] <Base>	 If you want to rename article about contry in Danish Wikipedia just do the move
[09:51:12] <Base>	 Sitelink on WD will be updated automatically
[09:51:29] <Base>	 Label will not though, you might want to go and fix it manually
[09:55:11] <RODEJONG>	 No in the left menu. In Danish the language of an article in "Dutch", which is "nederlandsk" in danish, but shows as "hollandsk". If we want to have that changed so that it in the future doesn't say "hollandsk" but "nederlandsk", where do I report that?
[09:56:39] <RODEJONG>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I4l3o4Lv/
[09:57:13] <nikki>	 I think those names come from CLDR
[09:58:00] <RODEJONG>	 okay? And who takes care of that?
[10:02:28] <nikki>	 I don't know exactly, I only know that they have a bug tracker at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/
[10:05:19] <RODEJONG>	 Okay. Thanks. I'll try that!
[10:05:34] <RODEJONG>	 Thanks for your help nikki
[11:07:02] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/328586
[11:09:07] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Aleksey_WMDE: I gave a +2 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/327750 but it does have a conflict. Is it ok for you if I resolve this?
[11:09:35] <Aleksey_WMDE>	 Yes, sure!
[11:37:01] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Amir1: Are you working right now? I could +2 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/328655 now, but would like to hear your opinion first.
[11:50:04] <Amir1>	 Thiemo_WMDE: hey, what's up
[11:56:04] <Amir1>	 Thiemo_WMDE: I addressed your comments 
[11:56:21] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Thanks.
[12:00:34] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 +2 :-)
[12:07:43] <RODEJONG>	 Question: 
[12:08:14] <RODEJONG>	 7.861±0 How do I format this when I use: {{#property:P585}} ?
[12:08:49] <RODEJONG>	 | inhabitants = {{#property:P585}}
[12:09:04] <RODEJONG>	 It just shows 7.861±0 from Wikidata
[12:09:30] <RODEJONG>	 how can I get "±0" removed in the infobox?
[12:11:40] <RODEJONG>	 It's for the Danish Wikipedia
[12:17:12] <RODEJONG>	 Anyone?
[12:27:18] <RODEJONG>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9786
[12:37:30] <RODEJONG>	 I also need to know how to get the date P585 behind the inhabitants number. At the moment it stays empty 
[12:53:07] <RODEJONG>	 I try again:
[12:53:07] <RODEJONG>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9786
[12:53:07] <RODEJONG>	 {{#property:P1082}} places 7.861±0 in my article. The date behind it is {{#property:P585}} but stays empty. The number doesn't get formatet so it shows 7.861±0. How do I get "±0" away? {{#property:P585}} doesn't show. How do I get it to show? What am I doing wrong?
[13:00:57] <RODEJONG>	 !help 
[13:01:43] <RODEJONG>	 !adm
[13:02:04] <RODEJONG>	 !admin
[13:09:34] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 RODEJONG: Thats the number as it is stored in wikidata.
[13:09:56] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Local formatting in your wiki can be done with templates or lue modules, just as you wish.
[13:10:02] <RODEJONG>	 Jep. But How do I get that formatet?
[13:10:24] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Depends on the wiki you are on. Most have formatting templates for this.
[13:10:29] <RODEJONG>	 https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onderbanken
[13:11:50] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 The parser functions are not supposed to be used in articles. Use them in the Infoboks template please.
[13:12:15] <RODEJONG>	 I know, but I need to see it working befor I build it in
[13:12:36] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 When it shows the value it works.
[13:12:58] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 The +/-0 is because of a bigger problem we are working on right now.
[13:13:11] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 There will be a bot run that removes most of these, I hope.
[13:13:35] <RODEJONG>	 If I place it in the Infoboks, the ±0 will be hidden?
[13:13:42] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 No.
[13:13:49] <RODEJONG>	 oh ok
[13:14:09] <RODEJONG>	 And my other question
[13:14:09] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 But you can do your own formatting by utilizing templates and lua modules that do this, if you want.
[13:14:37] <RODEJONG>	 hmmm I never learned LUA, just started reading on this
[13:14:38] <RODEJONG>	 :)
[13:14:46] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Sure. I know this is hard.
[13:15:07] <RODEJONG>	 The date behind it is {{#property:P585}} but stays empty.
[13:15:07] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 I suggest to leave this property out for now. Start with all the others that can easily use Wikidata values.
[13:15:41] <RODEJONG>	 Do you know why that is?
[13:17:14] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 P585 is point in time. There is no main snak with "point in time" on this Wikidata item.
[13:17:32] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 This is in a qualifier. Entirely different story. You must use Lua to access these.
[13:17:45] <RODEJONG>	 Okay. 
[13:17:47] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 As I said, start with the easy ones and continue working on this later.
[13:18:09] <RODEJONG>	 Okay. I will. Thanks for your patience :)
[13:18:36] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 You should also prefer {{#statements:…}} when you can. {{#property:…}} is outdated and does not work very well.
[13:19:05] <RODEJONG>	 {{#statements:…}} with the same numbers?
[13:19:09] <RODEJONG>	 okay
[13:19:33] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Thanks for working on this! It always makes us happy to see when more Infobox templates use Wikidata.
[13:20:31] <RODEJONG>	 We're not that big yet, so we better start now
[13:20:44] <RODEJONG>	 Otherwise we have more work later
[13:21:09] <RODEJONG>	 But thanks again
[14:09:47] <multichill>	 RODEJONG: We need more LUA usage on nlwp to make better use of Wikidata
[14:10:02] <multichill>	 The current #property usage isn't going to last
[14:10:27] <RODEJONG>	 Yeah Thiemo_WMDE said that
[14:10:36] <multichill>	 My strategy was to wait a bit to see what other wiki's build and re-use that
[14:10:41] <RODEJONG>	 I'll be using Statements
[14:11:22] <RODEJONG>	 It's just because I am writing the articles on Dutch places on Danish Wikipedia
[14:11:26] <multichill>	 The way we set up Infobox templates on nlwp actually makes it a easier to switch to LUA step by step
[14:11:50] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 We are planning to work on this from 2 sides: #statements is the super-trivial thing for users that don't want to code. And we want a Lua library that can do more things than just returning entire Item serializations.
[14:12:10] <multichill>	 Thiemo_WMDE: I think global LUA made it into the wishlist, right? ;-)
[14:12:25] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Exactly what we are waiting for.
[14:12:57] <RODEJONG>	 I can try to commit Danish Wikipedia to it
[14:15:00] <RODEJONG>	 I just need to understand Wikidata better. I can edit the Q-pages, and add new statements to it. But LUA is new for me
[14:15:03] <RODEJONG>	 :)
[14:32:46] <RODEJONG>	 Is there some clear explanations on how to implement things in Infoboxes?