[06:08:58] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 hello everyone!
[06:10:43] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 nikki: i assume if you are connected, you'll read this message when you are really here
[06:10:58] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 nikki: I perfectly agree that wrong descriptions is a problem
[06:11:33] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 nikki: but the scripts are used since 2013 for one and 2015 for the other, so we are speaking of thousands of items, if not dozens of thousands
[06:11:45] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 nikki: so any correction will have to be done by bot
[06:12:23] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 nikki: can you list all languages that you think should be verified? then we can ask on the project chat for people knowing these languages
[06:12:30] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 nikki: thank you :)
[07:13:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 Morning!
[07:40:59] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 sjoerddebruin: :)
[07:42:32] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 sjoerddebruin: i did good work on names, it'll go down again!
[07:43:18] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 (especially P1950)
[07:44:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 Great!
[07:44:32] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 (and given names)
[07:45:03] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 (it's slower for family names, now, to many "errors-made-only-once")
[07:45:16] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 oh hello dachary!
[08:32:07] <dachary>	 \o
[08:32:11] <dachary>	 coffee time !
[08:46:22] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 dachary: tea time here :p
[09:58:30] <Amir1>	 DanielK_WMDE: Hey, I want to join the tla meeting 
[10:00:32] <Amir1>	 nvm, it's okay
[10:10:16] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 sjoerddebruin: urgh, seems like nearly 500 disambiguation pages were added as surnames during the week-end?
[10:10:20] * Harmonia_Boulot weeps
[10:10:26] <sjoerddebruin>	 By who?!?!
[10:10:36] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 no idea
[10:11:01] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 but Saturday, I had less than 1400 disambiguation page used as surname, and now 1900!
[10:11:17] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 how can that be?
[10:20:43] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 sjoerddebruin: we really need an AbuseFilter
[10:21:01] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 something to warn people there are adding an item which isn't a family name
[10:21:24] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 they*
[10:21:26] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 urgh
[11:20:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 Harmonia_Boulot: what is the approach for combined surnames of married people? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20734808
[11:22:01] <Harmonia_Boulot>	 sjoerddebruin: both, with "order in the serie" with the married one having a "beginning date" and "P31:married name" as a qualifier
[11:22:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 :)
[11:22:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 But first I have to look at the tussenvoegsels then. :(
[11:24:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 If we go for the seperate property approach, how would we combine that with this then... 
[12:19:47] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: ERROR: Step ‘Publish JUnit test result report’ failed: No test report files were found. Configuration error?
[12:20:02] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: I am guessing this still due to some configuration issues?
[12:20:03] <Amir1>	 Yeah, It is in our repo 
[12:20:17] <Amir1>	 we need to fix our configs
[12:20:19] <Amir1>	 On it
[12:20:51] <leszek_wmde>	 ah, ok, thanks. Just didnt know if this is something we should fix, or rather something "they" should do
[12:50:20] <Amir1>	 Lydia_WMDE: Around?
[12:55:07] <LeaAuregann_WMDE>	 Amir1: Lydia is in vacation :)
[12:55:27] <Amir1>	 Yeah, I pinged and then I said oops :D
[13:54:26] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Amir1: More secret birthday presents, yay! 8-)
[13:55:14] <Amir1>	 Thiemo_WMDE: \o/ :D
[14:13:29] <halfak>	 o/
[14:34:00] <hoo>	 aude: here?
[15:29:50] <Amir1>	 leszek_wmde jakob_WMDE around?
[15:30:01] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: yes
[15:30:02] <jakob_WMDE>	 Amir1: yup!
[15:30:07] <Amir1>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/317490/
[15:30:17] <Amir1>	 Jenkins is happy now, thanks to releng people
[15:31:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 Glorian_WMDE: don't forget to sign your messages onwiki.
[15:32:53] <Amir1>	 leszek_wmde: Do you think we should merge this patch?
[15:33:23] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: looks good as far as I can tell. There are two differences when I compare it against WikibaseMediaInfo so I am not sure if those two bits are really needed
[15:33:47] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: plus I don't want if we already want to send notifications to this channel already at this stage
[15:33:56] <leszek_wmde>	 *i dont know
[15:34:46] <Amir1>	 leszek_wmde: let me test that part
[15:35:37] <Amir1>	 about spamming in the wikidata-feed I hope the jenkins part ends now but other than that it's part of wikibase and we should notify people we are working on it
[15:37:07] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: meh, forget what I said about the IRC channel. Totally missed that it will not spam in #wikidata 
[15:37:09] <leszek_wmde>	 then its good
[15:37:33] <leszek_wmde>	 also just checked that returning true in onSetupAfterCache hook is what wikibase does, so I have no objections
[15:37:57] <jakob_WMDE>	 looks good to me too!
[15:38:40] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: so I am only sure if AutoloadClass in extension.json are needed (MediaInfo does not have it) but it has been there, now its just fixed
[15:38:50] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: so to the point: should I give it +2
[15:38:52] <leszek_wmde>	 ?
[15:39:47] <Amir1>	 leszek_wmde: I removed something that I think was redundant let's see if jenkins gets sad or not 
[15:39:55] <Amir1>	 if it's happy please merge it
[15:40:27] <leszek_wmde>	 ok Amir1
[15:43:57] <Amir1>	 leszek_wmde: okay, jenkins is happy
[15:47:10] <hoo>	 Has Thiemo left the office already?
[15:47:24] <leszek_wmde>	 Amir1: and its merged. thanks!
[15:48:15] <Amir1>	 leszek_wmde: thank you for merging \o/ Now I can site freely and work on Lemma and other parts, it's getting really fun
[15:48:57] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: ^
[15:50:04] <leszek_wmde>	 hoo: He has left already. Daniel is not here either
[15:50:24] <hoo>	 I see… thanks for checking
[15:51:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 Where is Lydia btw?
[15:51:53] <Glorian_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: she is on vacation.. she'll be back next Thursday
[15:52:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh. Lea isn't on IRC right?
[15:52:31] <Glorian_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: I think she does
[15:53:00] <Glorian_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: I've just told her that you are looking for her
[15:53:04] <Glorian_WMDE>	 :)
[15:53:12] <LeaAuregann_WMDE>	 Hello sjoerddebruin :)
[15:53:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wait, do you have two Lea's?
[15:53:30] <Glorian_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: yes :)
[15:53:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 I'm looking for Lacroix, the community communication one. :P
[15:54:01] <LeaAuregann_WMDE>	 Yes it's me :p
[15:54:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, very confusing then.
[15:55:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh wait, it's on your user page. :)
[15:55:42] <Nemo_bis>	 @nat/wmf/ ? :o
[15:56:19] <hoo>	 Nemo_bis: Yeah… the WMDE office ip addresses have that because otherwise we were exceeding Freenode's limits by far
[15:56:46] <Nemo_bis>	 Makes sense
[15:57:32] <Nemo_bis>	 Though public IPs for everyone would be nicer ;)
[16:00:11] <Glorian_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: I've just noticed your message.. thanks for reminding me regarding to the signing the wiki :)
[16:02:58] <hoo>	 Amir1: Did you have a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/315324/12/repo/tests/phpunit/includes/Api/SubscribersTest.php@24 ?
[16:04:28] <Amir1>	 hoo: in ores meeting, will fix it asap
[16:04:51] <hoo>	 Amir1: Cool… I'll have another look after that (and will hopefully be able to +2 it)
[16:05:58] <Amir1>	 awesome
[16:06:00] <Amir1>	 thanks
[16:14:53] <Alphos>	 teaser for SparquickL 4 :   BIND( CONCAT( '#', SUBSTR( MD5( xsd:string( ?language ) ), 1, 6 ) ) AS ?fill ) .
[16:42:54] <yannf>	 WikidataFacts, hi, re the query you made for me yesterday, it seems incomplete
[16:43:07] <yannf>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#List_of_streets_named_after_reknowned_women
[16:43:43] <yannf>	 in fact, I find that 1399 results for the whole world is very few
[16:58:10] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: Could you have a look at my changes to that patch (from PS7 to PS8)?
[16:58:15] <hoo>	 I would like to move on there fast
[17:10:18] <Amir1>	 hoo: done
[17:15:34] <DanielK_WMDE>	 hoo|away: which patch?
[17:30:55] <hoo|away>	 DanielK_WMDE: whoops https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/317127
[17:50:22] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147307#2712931
[17:50:35] <hoo>	 See comments from there
[17:52:38] <DanielK_WMDE>	 hoo: i did
[17:54:52] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: Hm
[17:55:00] <hoo>	 yes, that also sounded weird to me
[18:01:50] <DanielK_WMDE>	 hoo: you mean the one-element special case? yea, let's not. consistency is good.
[18:02:27] <Alphos>	 *cringe* what if someone wants to perform an operator on numeric values from wikidata ? :/
[18:03:27] <Alphos>	 dividing the literal 123456789 by the literal 987654 is not exactly the same thing as dividing the html element <foo>123456789</foo> by the html element <bar>987654</bar>, no matter what foo and bar are
[18:03:27] <hoo>	 Alphos: What do you mean?
[18:03:43] <Alphos>	 for instance, if you were to divide population by area to get a density of population
[18:03:58] <Alphos>	 (in the case of a country)
[18:04:10] <hoo>	 Alphos: What are you talking about? In the query service that should be alright
[18:04:25] <hoo>	 I think we even have example queries that do such calculation
[18:04:25] <hoo>	 s
[18:04:57] <Alphos>	 so lua would still get the literal values ?
[18:05:06] <hoo>	 Alphos: Oh, Lua
[18:05:12] <hoo>	 you have the full entity in Lua
[18:05:28] <hoo>	 Why would you use the html/wikitext representation for calculation?
[18:06:00] <Alphos>	 aren't there cases where you want some values of another entity ?
[18:06:35] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Alphos: just ask Lua for the data of the other entity
[18:07:03] <Alphos>	 i guess i'm just always cringy whenever i see a data provider return formatted data :/
[18:07:13] <DanielK_WMDE>	 we are talking about *formatting* functions. they gfenerate human readable output. if you want data, use the data without formatting it.
[18:07:22] <Alphos>	 hm
[18:07:28] <DanielK_WMDE>	 well that's kind of the point. it's not a data provider.
[18:07:50] <DanielK_WMDE>	 one reason to add the tags is to make this abundantly clear.
[18:08:03] <Alphos>	 alright then
[18:08:09] <DanielK_WMDE>	 can you suggest a better name that would make this even clearer?
[18:08:10] <Wesalius>	 would anyone with privileges be kind and tell me who created item https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q27478560
[18:08:27] <Wesalius>	 it is a deleted item...
[18:08:29] <hoo>	 Wesalius: You did
[18:08:34] <hoo>	  (diff) 14:52, 20 October 2016 . . Wesalius (talk | contribs | block) (159 bytes) (‎Created a new item: #mix'n'match) (Tag: Widar [1.4])
[18:08:42] <Wesalius>	 ok, thanks
[18:09:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 :P
[18:09:31] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Alphos: actually, if there is a need for a better data provider, so people stop (ab)using the formatter for this purpose, please let us know about it!
[18:10:51] <Alphos>	 DanielK_WMDE "view" ? i'm a tidbit hazy right now, but if you insist on it being a formatted piece of data, it would somewhat make sense
[18:11:06] <Alphos>	 even "dataview"
[18:11:27] <DanielK_WMDE>	 I'd rather like a verb. "render"? "show"?
[18:11:41] <Alphos>	 well, view is a verb, ya know :p
[18:11:56] <DanielK_WMDE>	 yea, but the function doesn't view.
[18:12:06] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ...and dataview isn't ;)
[18:12:22] <Alphos>	 formatter is a bit vague, isn't it ?
[18:12:29] <Alphos>	 (or format)
[18:12:35] <DanielK_WMDE>	 even "print"... though this only returns the value, it doesn't commit it to the output immediately.
[18:12:38] <Alphos>	 then again, view kinda is as well
[18:12:52] <DanielK_WMDE>	 "format" is actually fine with me. 
[18:13:28] <Alphos>	 then you should expect it to return truly formatted values for (for instance) numeric values
[18:13:55] <Alphos>	 <span>123 456 789</span> for instance
[18:14:01] <Alphos>	 (depending on locale)
[18:14:49] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Alphos: that is indeed the case
[18:15:01] <DanielK_WMDE>	 also for dates, etc
[18:15:15] <Alphos>	 i assume ISO for dates ? :)
[18:15:23] <DanielK_WMDE>	 no, local format
[18:15:31] <DanielK_WMDE>	 same as the date parser functions
[18:15:34] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ...i think.
[18:15:41] <Alphos>	 as long as it's not "2 016"... :p
[18:15:54] <DanielK_WMDE>	 hehe... that would be bad
[18:15:59] <hoo>	 Should be the same you also see on Wikidata with the given use lang
[18:16:11] <hoo>	 (roughly)
[18:16:12] <DanielK_WMDE>	 i'm actually not sure what the old Lua function does exactly. I hope no ISO...
[18:16:27] <Alphos>	 oh, just thought of something else
[18:16:33] <Alphos>	 "asHTML()"
[18:16:36] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: Well, it does ISO
[18:16:44] <hoo>	 See DataAccessSnakFormatterOutputFormatTest
[18:16:52] <hoo>	 and yes, that's just crazy
[18:16:53] <DanielK_WMDE>	 *sigh*
[18:17:05] <DanielK_WMDE>	 well, it allows people to use the date formatting code they have
[18:17:10] <DanielK_WMDE>	 and it's ok as an option
[18:17:12] <Alphos>	 hoo : wait, is wikibase written in java ? :p
[18:17:13] <DanielK_WMDE>	 but shouldn't be the default
[18:17:35] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Alphos: we call it phava...
[18:17:39] <Alphos>	 ^^
[18:18:20] <Alphos>	 phava beans with a nice chianti, i hope !
[18:26:30] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: I start to wonder what we plan to do with mw.wikibase.formatSnak(s)
[18:26:48] <hoo>	 we probably also want to have a way to get format wiki there
[18:27:25] <hoo>	 oh fuck
[18:27:34] <hoo>	 these are already format wiki
[18:27:47] <hoo>	 luckily we didn't deploy yet
[18:29:12] <hoo>	 *sigh*
[18:32:25] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/317127 +2 now?
[18:38:55] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 sjoerddebruin: I have seriously no idea what happened during the week-end but there is 500 disambiguation pages used as family names more than Saturday
[18:39:15] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 like, did someone add family names without verifying?
[18:39:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maybe some pages got an unrelated edit causing them to sync properly with the query service?
[18:39:58] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 for 500 items?
[18:40:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 Seems possible for me.
[18:41:46] <Alphos>	 Harmonia_Amanda or maybe someone reverted your changes for some reason ?
[18:42:19] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 Alphos: yno, I keep the family names in my watchlist
[18:42:38] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 if someone had added back the wrong "disambig", I would have seen it
[18:42:51] <Alphos>	 ^^
[19:00:19] <Reedy>	 DanielK_WMDE: Can I find an excuse to come visit WMDE for a few days? :D
[19:00:34] <hoo>	 Reedy: Wikidata birthday next week?
[19:01:14] <Reedy>	 hoo: touche :P
[19:01:18] <Reedy>	 Hmm
[19:01:25] <Reedy>	 Maybe a little short notice
[19:01:27] <Reedy>	 I wonder
[19:01:47] <sjoerddebruin>	 <3
[19:02:39] <Reedy>	 I was kinda thinking a bit closer to Weihnachten
[19:03:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is no deadline on the list, though.
[19:03:02] <hoo>	 I guess you can just come over whenever you want
[19:03:15] <Reedy>	 heh
[19:03:19] <Reedy>	 Any idea who I'd need to run it by?
[19:03:28] <Reedy>	 I presume Lydia would be alright if she wasn't away
[19:03:32] <hoo>	 yeah
[19:04:38] * Reedy adds it to his TODO list
[19:05:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 You can ask Lea I think if you want to come that Friday.
[19:05:33] <Reedy>	 I'm sure I can sudo ask
[19:05:42] <Reedy>	 I wonder if it's actuall viable to do it
[19:06:19] <hoo>	 Yeah, we hosted various people in the office before
[19:06:23] <hoo>	 both WMF and volunteer
[19:06:46] <Reedy>	 I spent a week in the office a few years ago :)
[19:07:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 Including sleeping?
[19:07:10] <Reedy>	 They put my up in a hotel :P
[19:07:35] <hoo>	 Reedy: When was that? Probably still the old office (or even office-2?)
[19:07:43] <Reedy>	 Um
[19:08:09] <Reedy>	 Before the Berlin hackathon when most people were in the Mercure (?) acrosss the street
[19:08:21] <Reedy>	 Very near the office and technik museum
[19:08:22] <hoo>	 Ah, the 2012 one?
[19:08:26] <hoo>	 yeah
[19:08:30] <hoo>	 so that was office-1
[19:08:36] <Reedy>	 haha
[19:08:50] <hoo>	 but were literally across the corner now
[19:08:54] <hoo>	 * we're
[19:09:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 Good luck finding a cheap hotel though. :)
[19:09:42] <hoo>	 Airbnb ;)
[19:14:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 Don't have experience with that. :)
[19:21:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: good evening! Things like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27526206 are really slowing me down, but worth the effort!
[19:45:15] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: aude: Review of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/317568 would be really appreciated
[19:46:02] <hoo>	 We don't have integration tests for these, so things went sideways there
[20:48:12] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Thanks for your response on my talk page. Did you also create a new item for the other person?
[20:55:07] <multichill>	 nvm, I found it
[21:08:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh right, correct mix-n-match...
[22:41:15] <Guest79948>	 ^&& JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda &&^
[23:14:44] <Allvaro_stupiid>	 ^&& JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda &&^
[23:28:17] <jem_eswiki>	 ^&& JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda &&^
[23:29:27] <jem_eswiki>	 ^&& JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda &&^
[23:30:39] <JD|cloud>	 o_O