[05:54:45] !admin !admin a l v a r o m o l i n a y j e m s e a m a n [06:10:00] hello everyone [07:08:08] AlexZ: do we really need more ops here? [07:08:37] if it's needed, why not, i do it on others chans [07:08:49] perfect! [07:09:09] but most of the time, i'm connected but not always here :s [07:09:16] like now, I'm at work [07:09:46] so if something come up at work, I don't see the chan... [07:10:18] AlexZ: so, no problem to be op here if you need but don't think I'm really here every time I'm connected... [07:10:20] That's fine, there only a few active ones so after talking with JD, he gave me your name as a potential candidate along with a few other wikidata admins. [07:10:29] ok :) [07:17:09] Harmonia_Bosse: I actually brought it up, the ‘issue’ is that this channel lacks 24-hour coverage, so occasionally trolls re able o spam the hell out of it. [07:17:39] no problem [07:17:49] sjoerddebruin might be a good op too, actually [07:17:56] Indeed. [07:19:00] Harmonia_Bosse: You know ‘how’ to op in irc? [07:19:10] Harmonia_Bosse: I already am. [07:19:32] I cover at least 12 hours of this channel, but maybe we need someone for the other half. [07:19:52] Revent: yes [07:19:57] (or for the gap in the morning when I'm still asleep and the others are going to sleep) [07:19:59] Oh, you said, “I do it on other chans”, n/m [07:20:25] I'm op on #wikidata-fr, #wikipedia-fr, #wikipedia-fr-liverc :) [07:21:45] I’d commented, I don’t ‘need’ op in here, not a wd admin, or even particularly active on the wiki, but if you need more coverage I’m lurking here anyhow. [07:22:36] I just occasionaly see trolls go crazy in here. [07:24:32] I care far more that the channel get ‘more’ people [07:30:50] Oh, and that you get wikibase on Commons so that sanity can ensue. :P [07:32:12] yeah, kinda doubt that :/ [07:32:22] commons and sanity don't go well together :p [07:32:37] Alphos: Welll… metadata sanity. [07:32:52] yeah, riiiight :D [07:33:28] Indeed.. 34 million fucked up files to fix. [07:34:58] But hey, how many tens of millions of book refs for you guys to incorporate? You even more screwed. :P [07:37:09] Alphos: The only thing that surpasses Commons for tendentious attention to trivial detail is wikidata. [07:37:43] the only thing that surpasses commons for sanity is everything else, though :p [07:37:52] Indeed. [07:38:04] * Harmonia_Bosse is still working on her names *sigh* [07:38:14] Harmonia_Bosse : it's Harmonia_Bosse [07:38:19] that one was easy ! :p [07:38:28] * Alphos ducks and covers [07:38:41] :D [07:43:57] * Harmonia_Bosse weeps https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q307288 [09:22:43] o/ [09:27:51] Am I annoying Magnus enough? https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/788301815536357376 [09:30:09] Welp, I'm on the waiting list too. [09:33:34] ^^ [09:42:09] Well I should start "working". [10:14:14] Amir1: regarding your InterwikiLookupAdapter patch - there are few things that Marius suggested that you might consider changing. I'd give it +1 once you addressed the part he said apart assumption about db names [10:14:42] leszek_wmde: I think I missed the note [10:14:44] let me check [10:14:54] Amir1: looking at the api patch. I will be distracted by meetings unfortunately but hopefully you'll get some review for it today [10:15:19] and per federation: just let me know if you feel lost, don't know what to look at, anything [10:16:48] leszek_wmde: Awesome thanks! [10:17:37] about the db name, I guess that's the plan all along but let's clarify it [10:19:15] done [11:21:58] leszek_wmde: Thanks for the review, I'll get it done soon [11:25:03] Amir1: cool! I haven't looked at the "real" code yet but it looks good generally [11:35:10] leszek_wmde: quick question: You claimed this task and it's in the "need review" column. but you I can't find any pull request or gerrit patch: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146274 [11:37:19] Amir1: sorry, my mistake. Added a link [11:37:40] Awesome! thanks [11:41:32] https://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModelServices/builds/167650689 [11:41:50] it's funny that the allowed failure is passed but all other failed :D [11:54:33] WikidataFacts: I'm having query timeout problems again :( http://tinyurl.com/hregnk6 this runs in under 4 seconds, http://tinyurl.com/zrk49mn runs in a fraction of a second but when I put them together it times out [11:56:08] (I'm trying to select some items then select all the statements without references (P1323 is just an example for simplicity, anything which returns enough results seems to do the same thing) [11:57:02] Amir1: that means code is OK :) Other builds should be fine once DM 6.2 is released (we're almost there) [11:57:44] Yeah I saw. [12:39:30] * Josve05a creating items like a boss :D https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q27436715&action=history [12:41:14] I wasted time thinking about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27437064 [12:41:43] "location: above knee" ? :p [12:44:44] Hoping this makes sense https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27349641#P1050 [12:48:06] Just reverted. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4126704&type=revision&diff=334946715&oldid=320683359 [12:53:01] * Harmonia_Bosse is tired of Infovarius grumbling [12:53:41] He seems to have unique views on subjects. [12:54:08] he doesn't like the approach "a string" = "a given name item" [12:54:54] he wasn't happy because several Russian given name are transliterated the same in English (which, alright, i can understand) [12:55:07] so we created several given name for all the Russian spellings [12:55:28] and now he isn't happy because there are several items for different russian spellings [12:55:44] at this point, no idea what he *would* like [12:56:03] I've noticed that in Belgium, the government has to respect your way of writing your surname. [12:56:52] nikki: I’m here now, and I foolishly tried the same query… it hasn’t timed out yet [12:56:58] was the limit increased recently? [12:57:18] (I agree that we need separate items depending on the string of the original given name, so we need to separate Latin given names and Cyrillic ones and it was very -non-respectful to simply merge the Cyrillic ones in the Latin) [12:57:54] a patch to add a “cancel” button was merged recently, so this should cease to be a problem in a few days (as soon as that’s deployed), but right now it still sucks :( [12:58:17] (but if he doesn't like the solution of creating a given name for every different string, no idea what he wants) [12:59:01] now he isn't happy because two different English surnames, Greenway and Greenaway, are apparently transliterated the same in Russian [12:59:24] but it's not like we could merge! [13:00:48] and yes, we already have many Latin given name for the same cyrillic one, so it's not like there is a conspiracy against Cyrillic, it's just the way we chose to handle things... [13:01:07] see Nikola, Nikolaï, Mikola, Nicolai, etc. [13:01:28] well, doesn't matter, you should all ignore me, I'm just rambling [13:01:54] nikki: for once, subqueries actually do improve performance! http://tinyurl.com/hq4743u – 16868 results [13:03:04] switching scripts is a nightmare :/ [13:03:46] yes it is [13:04:09] and I agree that "a string = an item" is not a subtle way to look at things [13:04:15] but hey! it *works* [13:04:32] and no one ever proposed a better way, so... [13:05:29] you know what, as soon as we have Wiktionary support, I bet someone will demand that name properties should be lexemes, not items [13:05:49] (I agree with “string = item” btw) [13:05:51] like I've noticed that people called "michael" get written differently in japanese depending on where they're from, because they use the pronunciation not the spelling [13:06:03] nikki: exactly [13:06:23] and a good dozen different Chinese surnames are written Li in French [13:06:45] I'm glad wikidata actually have an item for each of them [13:06:54] heh yeah and a single chinese surname gets written in tons of ways in latin script [13:07:26] exactly! [13:12:02] WikidataFacts: thanks :D [16:53:02] multichill: good evening :) [17:02:37] hey [17:05:09] The Belgian politics stuff is in mix-n-match. Added more than 1000 identifiers today. [17:05:19] That's quite a lot of them! [17:06:44] Some got their first one <3 [17:16:37] !admin Is it possible to merge https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q280164 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6502423? [17:17:03] no [17:17:13] But they are the same, correct? [17:17:15] Conflicting sitelinks, take nl for example. [17:17:22] Hmm [17:17:49] So what's the difference between Spanish and other articles that are Fathom (unit of measurement) and Q6? [17:17:59] Is that a mistake? [17:18:16] It looks like a mixup yeah. [17:18:44] Q2 seems to be about the informal definition [17:18:56] while Q6 is a standard [17:19:12] Should there be only one page for each do you believe? [17:19:33] not sure [17:20:02] seems to be confusion about it in the past, better ask in the project chat [17:20:33] What project? [17:20:47] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat [17:20:51] Our "village pump" :) [17:24:03] DatGuy_BeRightBa: We would have to distinguish the English fathom and the Spanish fathom [17:24:34] (However, in es.wiki, the article shows both) [17:28:59] The English fathom seems to be exactly 2 yards, the Spanish one is 1/1000 of a nautical mile [17:30:13] Long live the International System of Units [17:43:28] multichill: https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=catalog_details&catalog=259 :) [17:59:17] 7 Encountered a UnresolvedRedirectException when trying to load Q13426237 [Called from Wikibase\Client\DataAccess\Scribunto\EntityAccessor::getEntity in [17:59:20] /srv/mediawiki/php-1.28.0-wmf.22/extensions/Wikidata/extensions/Wikibase/client/includes/DataAccess/Scribunto/EntityAccessor.php at line 139] in /srv/mediawi [17:59:24] ki/php-1.28.0-wmf.22/includes/debug/MWDebug.php on line 311 [17:59:42] Dereckson: Usually indicates a double redirect [17:59:48] pretty sure we have a ticket about that [18:02:13] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13426237 seems indeed a double redirect [20:27:55] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASjoerddebruin%2FDutch_politics%2FTweede_Kamer&type=revision&diff=390765474&oldid=390444472 <- almost found all p&p, added some bio portaal too [20:31:08] hm, a double one? [20:33:19] Maybe [20:33:55] one of them is just empty [20:35:19] sjoerddebruin: less than 1600! [20:35:42] * Harmonia_Amanda is happy with her family names [20:36:45] * sjoerddebruin is tired but the backlogs... [20:51:37] sjoerddebruin: Take it easy, these will still be there tomorrow [20:51:51] 23 [21:06:22] sjoerddebruin: http://tinyurl.com/jsdcrbd only 1148 wrong items to correct!