[00:01:37] Amqui: so I said: a tool to add properties to an item (or create such item) https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/quick_statements.php [00:01:49] Refs are well supported: "Each statement can be followed by an unlimited number of "source pairs" of source property TAB value. The source property is identical to the "normal" property, except it uses the form Sxx instead of Pxx." [00:20:53] Dereckson they only took one property for ref for each statement, that's not very useful [00:21:59] where did you read "each statement can be followed by an unlimited number..."? [00:37:21] Amqui: you can chain them [00:37:37] P1 value P2 value P3 value on one line [00:43:04] it didn't work when I tried [00:43:20] and I have been told it would add multiple references, not add one reference with many properties anyway [00:57:47] use S instead of P [01:00:46] I know [01:01:08] but Sx1 tab value tab Sx2 tab value ... will add 2 references [01:01:18] instead of 1 reference with both values [01:24:56] what about Sx1 tab value tab Sx1 tab value ? [01:25:29] ça n'a pas de sens [01:26:00] ça serait pour mettre deux valeurs à la même propriété, la seule façon que ça a du sens c'est s'il s'agit de deux références [01:26:00] what's the reference property you use? [01:26:19] ben en fait tu as une propriété pour la référence, genre "Reference URL" [01:26:29] si tu veux mettre deux valeurs à cette ref [01:26:30] non j'ai plusieurs propriétés pour la même référence [01:26:34] ah [01:26:44] reference URL, retrived date, language of work, title, imported from [01:27:06] ah et là il te crée 5 refs au lieu d'une ref avec les 5 trucs ? [01:27:31] bin dans mon test ça n'a même pas fonctionné, il a utilisé un seul de mes Sxx [01:27:51] mais il m'a été dit que c'est supposé créer 5 refs même si ça marchait [05:16:08] help [05:17:03] join [12:21:32] Lydia_WMDE: Around? [12:21:36] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&action=info [12:21:52] Amir1: hey [12:21:57] \o/ [12:22:17] one question regarding action=info in repos [12:23:06] Should entity usage be in basic section of properties section? My gut says go for properties because it will be huge [12:23:09] Lydia_WMDE: ^ [12:23:50] Amir1: i am not sure i understand [12:24:13] Lydia_WMDE: I'm talking about this: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145189 [12:24:31] the list should be in the first section in action=info or properties section [12:24:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&action=info [12:24:43] See sections [12:25:22] (Also Entity usage is deployed there. Yesss) [12:25:50] ok we are talking about action=info on property pages on wikidata.org right? [12:26:14] i was confused because you are linking to the client [12:27:31] in both cases i would put it in the page properties section if possible [12:28:15] Okay [12:28:31] thanks [12:28:50] :) [12:29:15] it is interesting to see [12:29:16] :D [12:29:25] I linked to the client to show it's deployed \o/ [12:31:02] :D [12:31:04] \o/ indeed [12:31:15] need to push lea to announce it [12:32:22] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/311328/1/client/includes/Hooks/InfoActionHookHandler.php [12:32:33] It has a patch now for client [12:32:38] I'm working on the repo [12:42:27] :) [12:58:18] Sunday Qeury! https://blog.ash.bzh/sunday-query-all-surnames-marked-as-disambiguation-pages-with-an-english-wikipedia-link-and-with-surname-in-their-english-label/ :) [13:35:10] Harmonia_Amanda: has wikiproject names come up with a sensible way to do east asian names yet? [13:35:46] nikki: not really [13:35:53] things like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q665382 just look stupid, the surname is neither chen nor kim >_< [13:36:32] the heart of the problem is the change of alphabet; all of that is terribly bad [13:37:08] but as we still haven't corrected all wrong uses of Latin alphabet names [13:37:22] we never came over to work on translitteration [13:37:24] sigh [13:40:13] sort of... it's not just a change of writing system, it's also a change of language, since multiple languages are using the same characters and pronounce them in different ways (like how "1" doesn't have a specific pronunciation, english says it one say, french says it another) [13:45:40] first of two newly created properties today :3 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P3179 [13:46:09] it's part of a new bigger set of properties concerning overlapses :) [13:46:17] this one is for areas [13:47:12] i expect one will be created for volumes, and someone had an incredibly nice idea of creating one for point-like elements, such as public transportation stops :) [13:47:58] hopefully, the derived property for areas, specifically about french cantons and communes, will gather enough votes to be accepted as well ^_^ [14:59:41] I'm entering a taxon war.... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy#Best_practice_for_deleting_an_item_based_on_a_bogus_scientific_name.3F - v [14:59:42] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q16909324&diff=377233367&oldid=362398195 [15:02:00] Why do you taxon people always fight? [15:02:18] oh hell no.... [15:02:40] s/he did not just merge tha, in the mids of a discussion...t... [15:40:48] Josve05a: you told me that the Kian game doesn't work very well on Swedish Wikipedia [15:40:51] can you test again? [15:41:06] and give me some examples of false positives specially the score [15:44:43] Amir1: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23940881 is in Eritrea, not SV (Sweden) ... currently all items loaded on http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/distributed/#game=15 suggests country:SV (Sweden) [15:45:46] yeah because you play the sv version of the game (if you change the language, suggestions would change) [15:46:04] and for Swedish we have only country: Sweden for now [15:46:17] Well, it suggests to add country Sweden to all items :/ [15:46:42] even if country property is already added [15:49:00] even for non-geographcal articles/items :/ [15:55:18] G'day [17:19:18] Josve05a: It's hard for me to see what you see, can you get me score of them ? [17:19:50] Something like "Model:svSV- Probability:Foo" [17:19:54] give me the Foo [17:19:57] for some of them [17:20:08] Amir1: Probability:0.53412 on all of them [17:20:15] okay [17:20:20] That's helping [17:20:29] I'll get that fixed very soon [17:20:58] Amir1 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QM9wfSWZ/Screenshot%202016-09-18%20at%2019.20.35.png [17:21:46] Awesome, thanks [17:51:47] Amir1: I just tried that thing Josve05a linked and it added a duplicate statement :/ see https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7193651&action=history [17:52:08] nikki: I wrote a script to clean up duplicates daily [17:52:16] I'm guessing it's broken [17:52:28] will get to that too soon [17:53:20] and it's suggesting the same statement for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18150335 [17:56:17] * nikki doesn't understand this game :( [17:56:50] I'm getting loads of things saying "Location in (some location)" and it's asking me if they're human settlements [17:57:27] how should I know :/ [19:06:41] There are pages in wikidata for each wikipedia template. For example, Ancient Greek Mathematics - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10966463 - is there a way to query for what is _in_ the template (e.g. Euclid Q8747 is in there as a mathematician)? [19:08:26] Guest43142: not for templates AFAIK, we have properties to define those queries for categories and lists though. [19:09:38] great - I will take a look at categories and lists - any pointers off the top of your head in the right direction would be appreciated [19:19:24] out of curiosity, what kind of pro/con proportion should we get to get a property created ? is two thirds good enough ? [19:20:40] Guest43142: if you can give me the relevant list or category, fine [19:21:21] Alphos: "Property creators should not create new properties unless consensus exists and must not create properties they have suggested themselves.", no proportion defined. [19:21:51] ok, so is it absolute consensus or general consensus ? [19:22:21] Well, consensus based on the arguments of the involved people. [19:22:33] Don't count the amount of votes. [19:24:04] ok then [19:24:46] how do property creators make sure they are not creating the same property at the same time ? I mean if one property creator was to start working on creating https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#code exactly at the same time as another, that would be confusing. [19:25:29] Euclid Q8747 is in the category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Greek_mathematicians Q9824064 [19:27:24] This is not looking that hard, just any pointers off the top of your head, you can rest assured that I will be back if I do get stuck :) [19:31:46] Guest43142: there is some problem though, as people link to Ancient Greece with different properties. [19:32:00] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2348 seems the new standard though. [19:33:09] I think this should do: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9824064 [19:34:06] Euclid Q8747 is in the list of Greek mathematicians Q16192222 in section 1, which is titled Ancient Greek mathematicians [19:36:02] Oh fun, the Hellenistic period... :/ [19:36:10] WikidataFacts may procedure something better. [19:53:07] thanks - I am ultimately looking for a general procedure that will take me from the list / category / template to what's in it, and vice versa [20:07:24] Guest93557 we don't have an item for "ancien greek mathematician" to start with - nor do we need or want one [20:08:06] so if you were to say "to wikidata" that template held that, wikidata would have no idea what you were talking about ;-) [21:07:41] is there a process for enabling languages in Wikidata that don't have any MediaWiki localization? [21:08:59] Jhs: You make a ticket and then hoo tells you that he's not happy because not having a localization is probably bad news for consistency's sake. [21:09:00] :D [21:09:16] Hoo is not present for me to make fun of him. :( [21:09:21] Sky2042_afk, :D [21:10:17] reason i'm asking is because I want to add some names in the [[Kven language]], which is a very small minority language in Norway, but quite a few geographical places have names in Kven [21:10:18] 10[6] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Kven_language [21:10:26] [[en:Kven language]] then [21:10:27] 10[7] 10https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kven_language [21:13:40] Jhs: Yeah, feel free to add a ticket in phabricator. I think there's a tracking ticket for language requests if you want to make that a parent. [21:13:50] I don't know if your request will be successful though [21:14:08] Sky2042_afk, coolio, thx