[07:55:09] <icinga-wm>	 PROBLEM - puppet last run on wdqs1001 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Catalog fetch fail. Either compilation failed or puppetmaster has issues
[08:20:21] <icinga-wm>	 RECOVERY - puppet last run on wdqs1001 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 14 seconds ago with 0 failures
[11:38:58] <hoo>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/311228 will fix travis
[15:41:17] <dachary>	 when creating a property, "string" datatype works, "URL" also but "item" is invalid at test.wikidata.org. Is there a documentation about the authorized values ? I don't find that in https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbeditentity 
[15:42:12] <dachary>	 I see https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P9 has datatype item
[15:42:16] <dachary>	 but 
[15:42:51] <dachary>	 https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P7081 is ... incorrect with what appears to be the same data type :-)
[16:01:48] <dachary>	 reading https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EWBA/browse/master/repo/WikibaseRepo.datatypes.php suggests wikibase-item as a possible candidate
[16:02:41] <dachary>	 yeah ! That's it :-)
[16:02:47] <Sky2042>	 dachary: yes, that is it
[16:03:20] <Sky2042>	 dachary: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Data_type#Item may be the human parseable version
[16:04:14] <dachary>	 Sky2042: thanks for the link 
[16:35:00] <Amqui>	 good day, is there a way to copy-n-paste reference when entering new entries?
[16:44:33] <Amqui>	 it's discouraging to add references when I have to enter 4 properties every single time
[16:45:08] <nikki>	 Amqui: there's a duplicate references gadget you can enable in the preferences, but last I heard it's currently broken
[16:45:09] <Sky2042_afk>	 Amqui: There's a copy references gadget.
[16:45:16] <Sky2042_afk>	 it's not completely broken
[16:45:17] <Sky2042_afk>	 just mostly
[16:46:18] <Amqui>	 lol
[16:46:21] <Amqui>	 "mostly broken"
[16:47:01] <Amqui>	 thanks
[16:47:48] <Amqui>	 I saw gadget currentdate, that will help too
[16:49:54] <Amqui>	 i just activated the duplicate references gadget but i dont see anything to use it
[19:06:34] <Zppix>	 anyone around
[19:14:29] <Amqui>	 Zppix for what?
[19:15:00] <hashar>	 I am there :D
[19:15:26] <Zppix>	 Do i create a redirect or a sitelink for an wikidata item that doesnt exist for a redirect page according to kasparbot this needs fixed
[19:18:14] <hashar>	 Amqui: ^
[19:22:19] <Amqui>	 ?
[19:22:25] <Amqui>	 create a redirect where?
[19:23:05] <Zppix>	 Florence Atwater to richard and florence atwater
[19:25:35] <Amqui>	 there are no redirect on wikidata except for items that have been merged, as far as I know
[19:29:37] <Zppix>	 ok
[19:29:43] <Zppix>	 i figured it out
[19:38:58] <multichill>	 I wonder how many reports I will trip with https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1408922&diff=prev&oldid=377054387
[19:41:02] <Alphos>	 you vandal :p
[19:51:12] <hashar>	 I am doing my first real edits to wikidata :d
[19:52:06] <hashar>	 I am describing a serie of comics for kids
[19:52:20] <hashar>	 being linked, I am using  previous / next (  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P155  and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P156 )
[19:52:39] <hashar>	 but really.  Adding the property on an item, I would expect the other to be autoupdate magically :]
[19:55:05] <Sky2042_afk>	 oh hashar, we've been asking for bidirectional properties since we got to start using properties
[19:55:09] <Sky2042_afk>	 you're adorable
[19:55:14] <hashar>	 :D
[19:55:31] <hashar>	 and I am quite confused about where to put properties
[19:55:42] <hashar>	 I can add them either directly to the item
[19:55:47] <hashar>	 or as a subproperty of a property :]
[19:56:01] <Sky2042_afk>	 the WikiProject pages usually have a good idea of where you should put something
[19:56:34] <hashar>	 I guess
[19:56:45] <hashar>	 then I got a question, can we clone an item ? 
[19:56:55] <Sky2042>	 why would you?
[19:56:57] <hashar>	 I have like 33 to fill. Would like to have one polished then copy paste :]
[19:57:24] <hashar>	 that is a serie of 33 comic strips album, each having 5 stories
[19:57:38] <hashar>	 so each got the same author / drawer / editor etc
[20:13:52] <multichill>	 Alphos: Actually the Netherlands Institute for Art History send me this list. They deleted a bunch of records that didn't meet their minimum quality requirements.
[20:14:15] <Alphos>	 you're still a vandal :p
[20:14:34] <multichill>	 hashar: Welcome!
[20:14:58] <multichill>	 I usually take an item that's similar and really good and use that as basis
[20:15:23] <hashar>	 I wish I could edit the "source" and just copy paste from one item to another ]
[20:15:24] <nikki>	 I don't think deprecated is right for old ids :/
[20:16:29] <multichill>	 nikki: Yeah, I tried removing them but than some stupid bot/human adds them again
[20:16:50] <multichill>	 hashar: You should probably prepare in a spreadsheet and use quickstatements
[20:17:29] <multichill>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/quick_statements.php
[20:18:05] <nikki>	 I think the most accurate thing to do would be to add an end date qualifier... I would still really like to see a new rank for historical statements though, because deprecated is so misused that I can't see how anyone can use it for anything meaningful
[20:18:27] <nikki>	 every time I look at statements with deprecated ranks I get depressed about it >_<
[20:18:33] <multichill>	 For normal things yes, but this is a cross database link and they decided to get rid of it
[20:19:42] <multichill>	 I generally don't use deprecated. I think I only used it once or twice when the attribution for a painting changed
[20:19:48] <nikki>	 if you have their id and want to find the corresponding wikidata item, it would still be a useful statement
[20:20:05] <multichill>	 The id is not valid anymore
[20:20:14] <multichill>	 But that's still possible
[20:20:45] <nikki>	 whereas deprecated is supposed to mean the statement is wrong and always was wrong, which implies if you have their id, that wikidata item is definitely the wrong item
[20:23:48] <multichill>	 hashar: Something else, I think we need your help with https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145484
[20:24:00] <hashar>	 oh
[20:24:14] <hashar>	 I am busy / volunteering on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26914138 :D
[20:24:24] <multichill>	 Monday is a good day
[20:24:55] <hashar>	 multichill: cant you ask Travis to nuke its cache ?
[20:25:06] <hashar>	  /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.24-2_all.deb
[20:25:22] <hashar>	 note how it is running against Debian unstable
[20:25:30] <hashar>	 so most probably that is an issue in Debian
[20:25:31] <multichill>	 I'm a complete noob when it comes to Travis
[20:25:44] <multichill>	 I just noticed we had an unbreak now open for quite some time
[20:26:18] <hashar>	 think about putting in prod JunOS 18.10
[20:27:37] <multichill>	 You should probably take https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q744536 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q934536 as reference
[20:27:45] <multichill>	 Are you doing network stuff again hashar?
[20:29:10] <hashar>	 come on, I keep telling you everytime we meet face to face :D
[20:29:19] <hashar>	 yeah I used to be in the telco field 
[20:29:28] <multichill>	 But 18.10?, that's a weird version number. Quarter 10 of 2018?
[20:29:31] <hashar>	 (ISP then network for the french postals)
[20:29:35] <hashar>	 yeah
[20:29:45] <hashar>	 so that is an indication that Junos 18.10 is the future
[20:29:51] <hashar>	 much like Debian unstable is the future
[20:30:09] <hashar>	 that is where folks put alpha quality packages
[20:30:54] <multichill>	 Great. Why would we be using that?
[20:32:17] <multichill>	 hashar: Of course I know you worked in networking. But that is a thing of the past, right? Or are you moonlighting on the WMF routers? ;-)
[20:34:06] <hashar>	 multichill: replied on the task :]
[20:34:36] <hashar>	 multichill: well Mark Bergsma is way better than me
[20:35:00] <hashar>	 there was Leslie Carr around who was (and still is) a good network engineer
[20:35:21] <hashar>	 and nowadays they have a few more network engineers with proven background (Faidon, Alexandros,  some other I miss)
[20:35:26] <hashar>	 so network is all covered :D
[20:35:49] <multichill>	 I think I met all of them at FOSDEM (and other events)
[20:36:46] <multichill>	 Thanks for commenting. I wonder who set this up in the first place
[20:47:57] <hashar>	 multichill: guess I will end up writing some pywikibot script to keep my entries up-to-date :D
[21:02:01] <aude>	 is it just me or are others having problems with Special:Nearby ?
[21:02:03] <aude>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Nearby
[21:02:12] * aude gets "Wikidata Nearby can't figure out where you are... try again? Try an open area with a better signal"
[21:03:12] <Platonides>	 did you allow your browser to tell wikidata your location?
[21:03:36] <aude>	 pretty sure
[21:03:45] <aude>	 it used to work
[21:04:10] <aude>	 on firefox, it asks me
[21:04:14] * aude says yes
[21:04:17] <aude>	 and it doesn't work
[21:04:22] <aude>	 (also on wikipedia)
[21:04:46] * aude is on different wifi now
[21:11:47] <hashar>	 aude: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Nearby fails for me
[21:11:59] <hashar>	 then my Firefox on Debian has been updated to v48
[21:12:09] <hashar>	 and I am not sure the Geo localization works 
[21:13:26] <aude>	 o_O
[21:13:43] <aude>	 works on my mobile phone, in the browser
[21:13:51] <aude>	 just not on my laptop... firefox or chrome
[21:14:17] <aude>	 thought it was just my internet provider at home
[21:18:10] <hashar>	 aude maybe that is mozilla geo service that is done ?
[21:18:12] <hashar>	 down
[21:19:48] <aude>	 also chrome?
[21:19:55] <aude>	 and it's been like this for a month
[21:52:39] <hashar>	 well I am done editing wikidata for today ( done a bunch of mess https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hashar  )
[21:54:52] <Alphos>	 hashar {{vote}} {{delete}} :p
[21:54:52] <AsimovBot>	 10[3] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:vote13 =>
[21:54:55] <AsimovBot>	 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:delete
[21:54:59] <hashar>	 well
[21:55:09] <hashar>	 the item for myself has been deleted :(
[21:55:18] <Alphos>	 (kidding of course, i read some of that series when i was a kid ^^ )
[21:55:42] <hashar>	 I used to be https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16036125  :D
[21:55:55] <hashar>	 apparently I am not notable enough
[21:56:15] <hashar>	 maybe I should blank all the sites completely for an hour and make the news !
[21:57:49] <Alphos>	 wouldn't that be kind of a [[w:WP:POINT]] ? :D
[21:57:50] <AsimovBot>	 10[5] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WP:POINT
[22:06:36] <multichill>	 aude: Saving seems to be a bit sluggish today. Do you know if we have a dashboard where this would be visible?
[22:48:55] <hashar>	 Alphos: yup it would :] 
[22:49:02] <hashar>	 Alphos: that was a good read, thx
[22:49:45] <hashar>	 multichill: https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/performance-metrics maybe
[22:51:24] <hashar>	 bed time *wave*
[23:37:14] <Amqui>	 anybody has an easier way to add references? it's very time consuming to add properties one by one every time
[23:37:18] <Amqui>	 ?
[23:55:29] <Dereckson>	 Amqui: does quick statements support refs?
[23:56:19] <Amqui>	 I don't know what quick statements are
[23:58:53] <Dereckson>	 a tool
[23:59:05] <Dereckson>	 to add properties to an item (or create such item)
[23:59:17] <Dereckson>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/quick_statements.php
[23:59:30] <Dereckson>	 but I don't think it supports refs
[23:59:43] <Dereckson>	 This tool can add statements (with optional qualifiers and sources) to Wikidata items.
[23:59:46] <Dereckson>	 oh yes it does
[23:59:55] <Dereckson>	 Each statement can be followed by an unlimited number of "source pairs" of source property TAB value.
[23:59:58] <Dereckson>	 The source property is identical to the "normal" property, except it uses the form Sxx instead of Pxx.