[00:22:17] alvaro molina [06:36:22] Good morning [06:44:30] morning [06:46:06] meh [07:34:38] addshore: https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-references doesn't look correct... [07:36:26] or am I reading it wrong? [07:44:50] is thiemo around ? [07:46:04] Not sure when people start to work in Germany, but I didn't saw any activity from anyone from the office here. [07:46:46] :) thanks Soerd [07:46:50] Sjoerd [07:47:25] Most have been inactive for 15/16 hours. [08:32:39] sjoerddebruin: correct how? :) It does indeed look a bit broken (lack of data for past weeks)... [08:32:51] Yeah, the missing data... [08:33:14] Can you file a phabricator ticket against WMDE-Analytics ? [08:39:36] ahh sjoerddebruin I think I have found the issue [08:39:50] <3 [08:43:08] sjoerddebruin: it should be in the process of re populating that data now, and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/308690/ should fix the issue that caused the lack of data [08:43:57] Thanks! [08:46:52] although sjoerddebruin it looks like 2 thinks broke nearly simultaniously! so I may have to look at another part of it too! [08:47:17] yikes [09:27:40] WikidataFacts: ;) https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q16070306&type=revision&diff=123116321&oldid=123116305 [09:53:42] hi [09:54:35] Hello [09:54:51] there's a question in OTRS concerning suggested citation convention to be used by external users to cite wikidata information [09:54:55] is there any? [10:01:12] It's CC0, so you don't need to attribute. [10:01:29] It's always nice to say it comes from Wikidata, though. [11:17:55] Jonas_WMDE: any clue why https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/298762 is failing qunit tests? [11:37:28] Jonas_WMDE: ok, nevermind, seems to be a general problem since I see also core tests failing with the same message [11:42:04] what does "wikibase-validator-too-short" mean, in the API Sandbox? [11:43:02] (action: wbcreateclaim) [11:55:46] abartov: from the qqq message file, it says "Input validation error shown when the input is too short." [11:57:56] Tobi_WMDE_SW yes, but which input? [11:58:26] abartov: I guess the input for the datavalue [11:58:33] here is the line I'm trying, in test.wikidata.org's sandbox: [11:58:36] perhaps no value was given [11:58:40] "/w/api.php?action=wbcreateclaim&format=json&entity=Q4779&snaktype=value&property=P19&value=%22%7B%22entity-type%22%3A%22item%22%2C%22numeric-id%22%3A801%7D%22&summary=blah&token=%2B%5C" [11:58:41] P19 Masterwork From Distant Lands - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P19 [11:58:58] I am providing a value in the 'value' parameter. [11:59:06] https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=wbcreateclaim&format=json&entity=Q4779&snaktype=value&property=P19&value=%22%7B%22entity-type%22%3A%22item%22%2C%22numeric-id%22%3A801%7D%22&summary=blah&token=%2B%5C [11:59:06] P19 Masterwork From Distant Lands - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P19 [12:00:44] abartov: your value is "{"? [12:01:25] Tobi_WMDE_SW: no, my value is '{"entity-type"=>"item", "numeric-id"=>1530, "id"=>"Q1530"}' [12:02:03] Tobi_WMDE_SW: click that link and see if you can get the action to work in the sandbox. [12:02:04] abartov: yeah, sorry my mistake [12:02:06] let me try [12:02:12] Tobi_WMDE_SW: thanks! [12:10:57] abartov: doesn't work for me either.. [12:14:10] abartov: ok, I think I got it [12:15:52] abartov: are you trying to add an item-value to a url-property? P19 has URL datatype.. [12:15:52] P19 Masterwork From Distant Lands - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P19 [12:17:58] abartov: does that help you? [12:18:48] Tobi_WMDE_SW: aha! yes, thank you! I copied this from some other property on live wikidata.org, so no wonder the value type doesn't match. [12:19:00] :) [12:19:01] Tobi_WMDE_SW: it does suggest the error message should be improved, though. [12:19:30] abartov: I'm getting wikibase-validator-bad-url error [12:19:35] with your latest example [12:20:01] Jonas_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144802 [12:20:04] you have to use single-quotes for the outer quotes [12:20:10] abartov: ^^ [12:20:41] abartov: in the first example you've sent, you used double-quotes everywhere [12:23:25] Jonas_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/307226 [12:23:49] oh yes please <3 [12:26:48] Tobi_WMDE_SW: ah, thanks! [13:23:17] guys, in terms of ontology, is it preferable to have a P31:Q with qualifiers P580 and P582, or to have a P31:Q ? assuming many items were "foo" between this date and that date ? [13:23:17] P580 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P580 [13:23:17] P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31 [13:23:17] P582 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P582 [13:23:24] stashbot : shush [13:24:25] i tried being as neutral as possible when asking that question, but i'm certainly in favor of one of the answers [13:36:26] hey. I want to add coordinates of landmarks (such as dams and power stations) to wikidata. Is there an easy way to generate a list of articles which does not have coordinates on its respective wikidata entry? [13:37:29] also, is there any tool to simultaneously load these coordinates on a map to check accuracy? [13:41:05] Rehman on both accounts, i'd say wdqs [13:44:18] Thanks Alphos... I'm not that familiar with the query service, but I'll check it out [13:45:45] Tobi_WMDE_SW: Thiemo_WMDE Jonas_WMDE sorry about the MediaWiki qunit breakage [13:45:52] it is hopefully going to be solved soonish [13:46:39] Rehman for instance, map of all dams in the united states that have coordinates in wikidata : http://tinyurl.com/zlxytkz [13:47:21] Rehman conversely, list of all dams in the united states that don't have coordinates in wikidata : http://tinyurl.com/ha79p6y [13:47:51] Wow thanks! That's a great place to start :) [13:48:45] Rehman i can add comments so the queries are more understandable :) [13:50:27] hashar: nP thx for looking into it and fixing it! [13:51:27] Rehman http://tinyurl.com/z9esf3k that's for US dams without coords, with comments explaining each line [13:52:42] Many thanks for the quick and efficient solution Alphos! [13:53:21] and that's for the map of US dams with coords, with comments explaining each line [13:53:22] http://tinyurl.com/hytl9m8 [13:54:35] Tobi_WMDE_SW: should be good now [13:54:40] Tobi_WMDE_SW: I will recheck a few [13:55:02] hashar: cool, so I'll go and retry a rebase [13:55:55] Tobi_WMDE_SW: or you can just comment in Gerrit "recheck" [13:55:57] that will trigger it [13:57:44] hashar: right! [13:57:58] let's see [13:58:12] I did a recheck of the wikidata build change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/308701 [13:58:16] was impacted as well [14:02:57] hashar: ok! [14:31:04] is test.wikidata.org reset from time to time ? [15:22:28] no prob hasharAway [16:27:52] sjoerddebruin: lol, any idea how that happened? [16:27:59] (sorry for the late reply, I need to remember to set /away…) [16:28:03] Wrong programmed bot, I think. [16:39:02] sjoerddebruin: check this out: http://tinyurl.com/z6qeqls [16:39:09] lots of Alessandro Volta for whatever reason [16:43:32] WikidataFacts: what am I looking at? [16:43:54] located in the administrative territorial entity – something that’s a person [16:44:01] oh, that's a good one [18:31:08] aude: ping? [19:14:46] KAJSJDJDJSJSJD [19:14:47] F [19:14:47] F [19:14:48] FDJDJDIC [19:14:48] F [19:14:48] F [19:14:49] FF [19:14:49] DE [19:27:46] JJEBFJGIDIJF [19:27:48] JJEBFJGIDIJFF [19:27:48] F [19:27:48] FR [19:27:48] F [19:27:48] R [19:27:48] E [19:27:48] R [19:27:49] S [19:28:32] :/ [19:28:58] hoo|away: hey, did you update yet? [19:29:48] guess who's hacking at someone else's insane ontology ? >_> [19:30:21] did you know that all new french regions contained administratively all new french regions (including themselves, and recursively) ? [19:30:54] did you know that all old french regions contained administratively all old french regions (including themselves, and recursively) ? [19:31:39] JSJDJDJSJSJDJDJDJDJDJ [19:31:39] JSJDJDJSJSJDJDJDJDJDJF [19:31:39] F [19:31:39] DF [19:31:40] G [19:31:40] G [19:31:40] F [19:31:40] D [19:31:41] G [19:32:03] did you know that classes could contain administratively other classes, and that thusly instances of these classes contained administratively both those classes and instances of those classes ? [19:32:07] :P [19:32:33] all of which has been added to wikidata without reflection, unilaterally, because reasons [19:32:55] oh, and of course, the person who did it thinks i have an issue with the NAMING of the classes they created [19:33:26] granted, naming is idiotic, and should be replaced with { end date / start date } qualifiers for a single class [19:33:35] Do you understand this item? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19962652 [19:33:37] but my issue is with the absurd ontology created [19:34:31] sjoerddebruin of course, it's simple [19:34:37] it's a class of people [19:34:47] In the current form of course. [19:34:48] who are archbishops of two dioceses [19:35:32] Okay, what about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26214480 then? [19:35:34] and these people are managed by two former counties and an extant county [19:35:38] which makes perfect sense [19:36:04] didn't you know that rulers didn't manage locations ? locations manage rulers ! that's how these things go ! [19:37:54] sjoerddebruin sure, it's a video-editing-savvy lizard that happens to be a social entity with a collective goal, and a human being at the same time [19:37:58] doesn't it make sense ? :p [19:38:19] I've fixed 200 similar cases this week. [19:38:28] from where i stand, it's obvious that last entity is a reptilian with a hive mind [19:38:46] is it also an archbishop ? would explain so much ! [19:39:13] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q23929706&action=history :/ [19:41:00] all joking aside, that last one with the history made sense [19:41:08] Of course. [19:41:13] the other two, otoh... [19:41:41] someone definitely needs to think before xe blurts statements to an item [19:42:19] Okay, new one: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1939386 [19:44:32] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q142#P421 i don't want to live in this world anymore [19:44:32] P421 Bash script to automatically package python extensions needed by Sentry - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P421 [19:45:40] should've done what china did, like I said :P [19:47:04] nikki shush, we like our 12-13 time offsets the way they are : multiple and complicated [19:47:39] do you have any weird offsets (like not a whole hour)? [19:47:40] (world record, by the way, we do better than russia or the whole of the british empire at its peak :p ) [19:47:54] iirc we MAY have a :30, but not sure [19:47:58] otherwise, just :00 [19:49:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q172697 is UTC-9:30 :) [19:50:39] my favourite is the +12:45 one for the chatham islands, I can't imagine why they need such a specific offset [19:50:46] ahh [19:50:54] nikki oh please, as if that's the most complicated you can find [19:51:22] I didn't say it's the most complicated :P it's just my favourite one [19:53:45] nikki : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q843840 -0025 ; https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6796 +0451 ; https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17280831+0124 ; https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2280365 +053021 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2280376 +061951 [19:53:55] you want specific ? :p [19:55:00] it seems like those are all old ones [19:55:02] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ i kan haz no idee-uh whut am doin ! [19:55:21] yeah, they are ^^ [19:55:36] it's kinda like natural selection : they weren't fit enough to survive :D [19:56:41] WikidataFacts : i feel like i'm being watched :D [19:56:51] * WikidataFacts whistles innocently [19:57:06] :D [19:57:13] I just didn’t want to interrupt you in this channel ;) [19:57:48] btw, dunno if you've seen this one : http://wordpress.alphos.fr/2016/09/05/933/sparquickl-1-hobbits/ ^^ [19:58:25] I think I saw it on the mailing list, but I don’t speak French :/ [19:58:48] oh, but the queries are commented in English, I can read those! :D [19:58:49] comments for the queries are in english ^^ [19:59:06] in fact, everything in the queries is in english [19:59:08] ^^ [19:59:38] the fact it's still used is one of the reasons I find it funny, it seems like something that would be awkward and people would want to harmonise (e.g. by using +13:00 instead of +12:45) [20:00:22] btw, wouldn’t it be awesome if the label service, if you don’t give it a list of languages, chose the language of the WDQS user interface? automatically localized query results? [20:00:38] or even just using +12:00 so that it's on the same time zone as the rest of new zealand (I'm sure 45 minutes wouldn't make such a huge difference :P) [20:01:01] that sounds cool, WikidataFacts [20:01:25] nikki: we have daylight saving time, so clearly people can accept midday not being mid-day ;) [20:03:50] yeah, and china seems to be functioning on a single time zone too, that covers way more than a one hour difference [20:08:10] sjoerddebruin: No, net yet [20:08:14] so much on my plate right now [20:08:18] but will do it today [20:09:02] WikidataFacts : no, it wouldn't [20:09:15] WikidataFacts : sometimes unlabeled queries are JUST under the time limit [20:09:34] having a default language for the label service would mean you can't pass those queries [20:09:45] Alphos: no, I mean, with SERVICE wikibase:label {} [20:09:49] not implicitly [20:09:54] oh [20:09:57] meh [20:11:22] hoo: today is in the next two hours? [20:11:29] sorry to hear that btw [20:11:41] sjoerddebruin: Yeah, hopefully [20:15:00] I feel bad adding IDs for items which links to "paywalls" and Wikipedia "competitors" https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6881495&diff=prev&oldid=373905418 [20:15:31] Hmmm [20:15:58] it makes it easier for developers who want to switch to Wikidata though [20:17:36] true, but still hurts my soul [20:18:25] you'll be okay, sweetie [20:22:10] * Josve05a wish that primary source tool would scrape the identifiers to find more suggestions :) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1267783 has no statements, but 6 wikiarticles, and 2 identifiers [20:22:20] and no primary sources suggestions :/ [20:22:40] The primary sources tool needs some love itself before we add more catalogues. [20:23:29] * Josve05a wish I could code xD [20:24:43] Well I can code a bit but that code is like hell. [20:27:15] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4889823&type=revision&diff=373911470&oldid=373911064 lol [20:28:32] they can't be right all the time :p [20:29:04] Oh right, Gaylord is a legit name [20:34:06] lol [20:34:24] making a commonscat now though [20:37:46] Hm, maybe he'll appear on the homepage tomorrow. :O [20:37:49] So, when will VIAF depricate due to WIkidata? [20:38:13] I really hope VIAF makes use of our data, sometimes I add three VIAF identifiers... [20:38:31] sjoerddebruin: wut? with 2 bithdays now? not really somethign which wikidatta shoudl promote...mutliple birthdays xD [20:39:00] sjoerddebruin: I hope they will move all their data to wikidata, and "work here" instead [20:39:03] Josve05a: no, because the amount of edits and the amount of people involved :P [20:39:21] let me check the script if I'm okay [20:39:26] ehm right [20:39:56] oh wait, three users :( [20:39:58] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page/Popular/Configuration [20:40:25] :o I had not seen that before [20:40:30] * Josve05a don't go to mainpages [20:40:53] It's a interesting part of ours. [20:42:32] sjoerddebruin: Meh, the suggester update went foobar, because of a typo in my script [20:42:38] shit [20:43:59] sjoerddebruin: is there a difference in property sports for "American football" and "American college football" [20:44:30] oh right, please correct [20:44:49] sjoerddebruin: Will update the thing tomorrow then… re-generating the new data will take another few hours [20:44:59] It's okay <3 [20:45:16] I'm a bit annoyed by the suggester mess by now :P [20:45:37] Yeah, I've noticed that even simple things like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P18 messes up the suggestions. [20:45:38] P18 my paste! - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18 [20:45:44] See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2108187 for example [20:46:42] sjoerddebruin: Well, I can easily add it to my workaround script [20:46:45] just another line [20:47:14] Not sure about the impact though. [20:53:02] Josve05a: what's your opinion about hall of fames used directly as "award received"? I think we should have seperate items for them. [20:53:07] (input from others is welcome!) [20:53:47] how can you receive a hall of fame? [20:54:26] I'd see why they would be under awards, but we do have properties for e.g. Nobel prizes, and I could see a user for them to be seperate...not really ure what they are though...sports alludes in so many ways [20:54:58] let's see what they do for those hollywood stars [20:55:00] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6378338 Festival of Cats... [20:56:03] don't think that P31 is correct.... [20:56:03] P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31 [20:56:13] yeah, sorry correct now [20:56:16] little bit sleepy :P [20:56:29] oh wait, you're not complaining about mine [20:57:08] no :p [20:57:56] i've added a underused statement :) [20:58:11] :) [20:58:41] stilll...a parade of cats...whu? [20:59:06] Do they still burn people at the end? [20:59:45] (at least the Dutch articles mentions that) [21:00:24] O_o [21:00:45] "Cats festivities culminate with the condemnation and burning of the witch on the Ypres Market Square." [21:02:06] considering how (un)well i'm feeling tonight, not sure i'll be able to do much at all this week ; if anything though, hopefully by friday at 3am UTC we should have the second wave of db reports with wikidata items pointing to pages that are redirects, per wiki, since it's all done via cron job :) [21:02:32] :3 [21:02:45] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-redirects-conflicts-reports/reports/ [21:03:54] * Josve05a wish the poperties were sorted in a specific order. For people "Instance, then gender, then birth day, place, then death ..." but nooooo...all chaos... [21:03:57] 2016-35/ was 2016W35, saturday evening, human-triggered, also per wiki [21:04:14] Josve05a: there is a gadget for that [21:04:29] hoo: maybe we should try throwing P18 out [21:04:29] P18 my paste! - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18 [21:04:49] but with some luck, 2016-36 will be 2016W36 (obviously) for friday at 03:00-03:12 (depending on the wiki) [21:04:51] sjoerddebruin: yeah, but that's only shown for me though, right. I want there to be order for all users [21:05:18] the gadget is a starting point AFAIK [21:05:33] to see if people like it [21:05:43] * Alphos throws a smoke bomb at the floor and does a ninja exit straight to his bed [21:05:53] Alphos: see you! <3 [21:06:12] hopefully >_> [21:06:33] Aww, what's wrong? [21:07:07] cluster headaches, and today has been somewhat nightmarish, literally and figuratively [21:07:24] Oh no, hope you have a good sleep [21:08:22] pretty tough to beat last night's sleep in terms of badness, and not eager to have a new personal best in that regard, but kinda thinking i will anyway >_> [21:09:22] cluster headache pain peaking at the same time i was having something painful done to me in a nightmare, waking up immediately, 1/5 would not recommend [21:09:41] :( [21:10:25] also now it's been with certainty over a year that i've had this shit. bit of uncertainty as to which week it started, really blurry for me back then [21:10:50] and remission is rare - although possible - after a year [21:11:18] oddly enough, remission is more likely after a year than between 3 and 12 months, for some unbeknownst reason [21:11:50] Nemo_bis : sorry i couldn't do anything today :-( [21:11:59] wish me luck for tomorrow ^^° [21:12:30] best wishes for your health [21:13:07] How long do one have to wait until a proposed property gets created? [21:13:22] It used to be a short period, but there is a backlog now [21:13:30] :/ [21:13:59] It's pretty much time intensive and not very rewarding if the property doesn't get used. [21:14:26] I just want it [the one I suggested] to be created, so I can start importing them :p [21:14:55] Same, waiting for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/UGent_Memorialis_id [21:17:56] Does anyone know if there is an open database of ISSNs I can use for Wikidata purposes? [21:19:42] worldcat.org ? [21:20:09] they have an open API? [21:20:43] http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/web-services.en.html [21:20:55] they do have a search API... http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/web-services/worldcat-search-api.en.html [21:21:23] Cheers! [21:40:11] * sjoerddebruin calls it a day too. [21:49:22] Just created a new item :o https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26822215 [22:16:18] checking stashbot: P580 [22:16:37] checking stashbot: T144810 [22:16:38] T144810: Disable Stashbot paste elements resolve on #wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144810 [22:23:03] :) [22:23:47] praise the lord!! [23:05:03] L [23:23:38] hoo: pong [23:23:52] aude: hey! :) [23:23:59] I just wanted to ask you about the deploy [23:24:09] o_O [23:24:14] but I then just went ahead, branched and pushed to group 0 [23:24:20] * aude forgot it's tuesday [23:24:26] yesterday was a holiday [23:24:31] thanks :) [23:24:34] Ah, I see :) [23:24:41] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144871 [23:24:45] Found a nasty bug [23:24:51] but not in our code [23:25:44] so this will happen regardless if we have new wikibase code? [23:25:51] yes [23:25:57] even on the testwikipedias [23:26:06] ugh [23:26:23] http://test.wikipedia.org/ even on the main page [23:26:41] probably need to poke nikerabbit or santosh (sp) [23:26:42] also on beta [23:26:47] but nobody seems to care there [23:28:24] the patch looks reasonable but obviously prefer they review [23:28:48] yeah, would be nice [23:29:56] probably need to try poking again early tomorrow, when they are awake [23:30:14] yeah, probably [23:30:20] Will you be there for the deploy tomorrow? [23:30:40] only possibly watching irc [23:31:40] if there is a problem, then i say put wikidata back on previous version of core and then i/we take a look asap [23:32:31] * aude looks at who is deploying [23:33:58] aude: getentities on wmf18 seems to be very slow [23:34:10] https://test.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&format=json&ids=Q22&languages=en [23:35:33] :( [23:35:48] seems fast for me [23:38:10] maybe it's just cold hhvm caches? [23:38:13] Q2433:29 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of null [23:38:18] is that the uls bug? [23:38:21] yep [23:38:34] seems so [23:38:58] editing sitelinks is weird [23:39:17] focus is not in the selector [23:39:50] though that's how it is on wikidata [23:41:13] Indeed :O [23:42:18] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144875 [23:43:47] everything else seems ok [23:44:55] at a glance, yes [23:45:23] We also heavily patched the ttl dump script [23:45:28] yeah [23:45:33] will probably test run it for testwikidata [23:45:37] yep [23:47:34] error logs also look ok [23:48:12] 2016-09-06 19:46:31 [V88ahwpAMFUAAIGCT@sAAAAH] mw1306 mediawikiwiki 1.28.0-wmf.18 exception ERROR: [V88ahwpAMFUAAIGCT@sAAAAH] [no req] DBUnexpectedError from line 3053 of /srv/mediawiki/php-1.28.0-wmf.18/includes/db/Database.php: LoadBalancer::{closure}: Cannot COMMIT to clear snapshot because writes are pending. {"exception_id":"V88ahwpAMFUAAIGCT@sAAAAH"} [23:48:19] that seems scary, but not our thing