[00:51:17] Dereckson: thanks [07:30:14] hello! [07:30:21] hi! [07:31:06] unashamed pub: https://blog.ash.bzh/ben-whishaw-broadway-the-rada-and-wikidata-in-english-and-with-updates/ :p [08:00:20] hundred of software items have "logiciel informatique" as a description, presumably set by a bot. It means "computer software" and could be removed. Would it be good to make a bot to do that ? [08:07:04] dachary, why do you want to remove it? [08:07:18] if it is about software, a description saying it's software is better than nothing [08:08:59] Jhs: that's why I'm asking :-) I thought maybe it should be removed because it will be hidden from queries that show the items that have no description. [08:09:37] we should generally aim to get more descriptions, not less :) [08:09:53] dachary: well, it *has* a description, and not an erroneous one from what I understand, so what's the problem? [08:09:55] what kind of queries are that? [08:10:08] Jhs: maintenance queries [08:10:22] but usually it's to *add* basic descriptions [08:10:26] not to remove them?* [08:10:59] dachary: what is your long-term objective? [08:11:09] (maybe that will help us understand :) ) [08:11:15] sjoerddebruin: hello! [08:11:58] One could argue that it's redundant with "instance of software". And indeed we could set the description of all items that are "instance of software" to "logiciel informatique". But I'm not sure what information it conveys. [08:12:18] description =/= claims [08:12:35] honestly I don't care that much about this one, it struck me as odd because only the french description of software has that kind of auto-generated descriptions [08:12:54] descriptions serves when you use the internal search engine [08:13:00] and to disambiguate items [08:13:19] not the same usage at all than the claims [08:13:48] harmonia: hi! [08:13:50] harmonia: I understood that much but I appreciate the reminder. [08:13:58] dachary: so actually we should aim to add "software" as an English description for all items which have "logiciel" in French? [08:14:22] dachary: sorry, sorry, i still don't understand what you want [08:14:23] harmonia: why would you want that ? [08:14:41] if descriptions are missing in English, we should add them, not delete french ones? [08:15:22] I don't follow, sorry, could you explain ? [08:15:50] dachary: from what I understand, some items have correct French descriptions [08:15:56] that you want to delete? [08:16:09] because these descriptions don't exist in English? [08:16:23] that would be silly of me :-) [08:16:40] dachary: I feel like I missed something big from your interventions [08:16:44] so can you clarify? [08:17:25] I'm asking of a french description that is redundant with the "instance of" claim and that has been set by a bot should be removed (that's the "logiciel informatique" description that you see at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q58528 for instance). [08:17:37] s/of/if/ [08:17:53] dachary: i don't understand [08:18:01] dachary: is the description *wrong* ? [08:18:08] or just incomplete? [08:19:17] it's not wrong, it's just redundant with "instance of" and contrary to all other descriptions have seen so far, it appears to have been set by a bot [08:19:30] :/ [08:19:37] dachary: there is no redundance at all between claims and descriptions [08:19:47] it's not used in the same context [08:19:54] Remember that descriptions are also used on the mobile website and apps. [08:20:00] usually descriptions are pretty redundant with claims [08:20:12] another way to ask the same question would be : should we set all empty description for all languages of sofware items to the translation of "logiciel informatique" when they are not set [08:20:14] dachary: and thousands of descriptions are added by bots [08:20:36] sorry, I don't understand the last sentence [08:21:46] dachary: I remember a bot which added "actor" to all people without description and with "occupation:actor" [08:21:57] that's actually a big use of bots on WD [08:22:21] Descriptions should be improved, not removed... [08:22:55] I get that :-) [08:23:41] dachary: maybe you can try to explain that to me in French on the french channel? [08:23:46] Should I write a bot that sets the description of all "instance of" software items for which there is no description in spanish to "software informático" ? [08:23:54] I have the impression i don't understand at all what you want [08:24:15] dachary: that could be a good idea, yes [08:24:33] if you are sure there is no absurd item with "instance of:software" [08:24:49] verify your data first, then add the automatic descriptions [08:24:51] :) [08:25:52] dachary: do you need help for your script? [08:28:01] harmonia: I'm good, thanks for taking an interest about that question :-) [08:28:51] dachary: well, with the exception of days when I'm feeling really off, I usually like to help ;) [08:29:35] :-) [08:31:24] sjoerddebruin: unashamed publicity https://blog.ash.bzh/ben-whishaw-broadway-the-rada-and-wikidata-in-english-and-with-updates/ [08:33:26] :) [09:29:48] LeaAuregann_WMDE: in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contribute the recommanded contact is Lydia, should it be you now ? [09:31:20] dachary: Yep :) I have a lot of pages to edit in order to change this information ^^ [10:16:30] sjoerddebruin: thanks :) [10:58:29] np [11:18:27] Thiemo_WMDE: did you test this already? :) https://github.com/Wikidata-lib/PropertySuggester/pull/175 [11:18:51] And there seems to be consensus about making your gadget default. Any objections or things that need to be done? [11:42:36] :/ [11:57:18] DanielK_WMDE: hey, around? [12:29:55] Is Wikidata UI tests broken? [12:30:02] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/299284/31 [13:55:56] Thiemo_WMDE: hey, is the wikidata ui tests broken? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/299284/31 [14:00:09] Amir1 Thiemo_WMDE: I think this is happening for all browser tests for a while now (problem with build host?) [14:00:35] so should we mark it as non voting [14:00:47] Yes, there is something broken but it's a WMF server problem. I believe somebody is working on this. I can't do anything. [14:00:51] Amir1: for a while I mean for some time today [14:00:59] okay [14:11:55] leszek_wmde: Is there any phab cards to subcribe? [14:12:42] Amir1: honestly I don't know. I did not have time to look around this problem, just saw browser tests failing for no reason few hours ago [14:12:57] okay [14:18:14] How would you make a SPARQL query that selects all items for which there is at least statement missing a given qualifier ? For instance, all software for which there is at least one source code repository (P1324) without a protocol qualifier (P2700) ? I tried this http://tinyurl.com/zofp4nu. [14:18:14] P2700 cassandra.yaml_2.1.13_2.2.5.diff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P2700 [14:18:14] P1324 Masterwork From Distant Lands - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P1324 [14:18:42] s/least statement/least a statement/ [14:20:57] http://tinyurl.com/zofp4nu does not work because it will no display items for which there are mulitple source code repository, even if one of them is missing the protocol qualifier [14:21:07] s/no display/not display/ [14:21:35] Amir1: T144247 looks like the ticket [14:21:35] T144247: Frivolous Jenkins failures for Selenium due to DB error - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144247 [14:22:22] Awesome [14:22:23] thanks [14:34:41] maybe http://tinyurl.com/gp52ru2 is better. I.e. get all source code repository statements and optionally the protocol qualifier. Then only keep those with a protocol that is unbound. [14:50:24] dachary: have you tried http://tinyurl.com/j7hdppy ? [14:52:01] ah no not working ^^ [15:06:12] aude: Here? :) [15:06:19] <3 [15:08:40] melderick: indeed. Do you think http://tinyurl.com/gp52ru2 does the right thing ? [15:12:40] Q234025 this item should be in the list or not ? [15:30:12] dachary: filter is so confusing to me, but your request seems good [16:02:31] melderick: SPARQL works in ways that eludes me most of the time :-) [16:11:48] :-) [17:07:37] SMalyshev: could you remove https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18158458 from WDQS please? [17:07:50] Or should I report them all in the ticket to get more attention for this problem? [17:24:11] sjoerddebruin: Ticket is never wrong [17:24:47] sjoerddebruin: done [17:25:33] I will drop them in the ticket now, if that's not annoying. I'm seeing these every day afaik. [17:43:07] I don't understand why http://tinyurl.com/gpcxc73 does not work. It shows https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1102277 which has a bound protocol qualifier for the source code repository. This is puzzling. [17:44:00] give it some time? [17:45:10] sjoerddebruin: you're right ! [17:45:16] now it's gone [17:45:41] Could be the cache. [17:47:13] I added characters to bypass the cache but it was probably detected as a cosmetic change. Smart cache :-) [17:51:18] last I checked, adding spaces was enough to bypass the cache. I hope they didn't change that [17:51:37] there's also two servers though I think, which sometimes causes different sets of results [17:52:57] Lydia_WMDE: Hey… here? [17:53:15] Revent: yes [17:53:17] hi [17:53:21] :O [17:53:31] Lydia_WMDE: This channel needs some more ops. [17:54:01] As in other timezones? [17:54:07] nikki: the two server thing could explain why I'm getting inconsistent results. I'll try to repeat that in a way that makes sense for a bug report. [17:54:09] The stupid troll that’s been harassing all the channels was in here a couple of times, and there was nobody around [17:54:41] it's a pity not being able to expel them :P [17:54:54] Are we talking about European nights? [17:55:30] from my side: as long as the other ops are cool with whoever is added i won't interfere [17:59:19] sjoerddebruin: It’s that idiot from ptwiki that’s… probably midnight or so eu time, yeah, when he wakes up. [18:00:10] he sometimes start before that [18:00:20] maybe late evening in Europe [18:00:36] up to perhaps 5 am [18:05:37] Yup, it mostly starts after dinner here. [18:05:54] I can keep up until midnight then, but need someone for the hours after that. [18:06:47] I’m not going to say ‘me me’, but I’m typically around. This channel hasn’t been one of his main targets. [18:07:16] And he already hates me, lol, he’s been trying very hard to break my nickserv password. [18:07:19] * Platonides too [18:07:27] Revent: he has been doing it with many people [18:08:51] Not surprised [18:09:48] hehe [18:10:18] Not with me! :O [18:11:39] how do you know? does freenode send you notifications about failed login attempts? [18:12:12] Yup. [18:12:14] WikidataFacts: When you login, part of the server motd is ‘failed login attempts since last login’ [18:12:20] ah, nice [18:12:31] It also gves you the gecos of the last attempt [18:14:47] SMalyshev: actually, I can do the deployment of wdqs right now... is it ready? [18:15:04] I used to have about 5 attempts at my account per day [18:15:10] now none! wahoo (party) [18:15:14] ajr: <3 [18:15:17] ...or maybe they were successful :O [18:15:29] hihihi [18:15:41] nah, this seems like the ajr I know [18:15:51] probably [19:20:02] Thiemo_WMDE: need help? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144308