[09:21:27] matej_suchanek: finally got the regex working in petscan, would make the street tagging easier. [09:22:59] sjoerddebruin: actually very good idea [09:25:21] I'm hoping to get the property in the suggestions. :) [09:36:57] sjoerddebruin: current threshold is 0.068, now we are on 0.045 probability for streets [09:37:33] Just need to find the most popular name.... :P [09:39:02] there are 260,317 streets, so the 0.023 difference equals to 6,000 more streets to have the prop [09:41:05] Do you know if KrBot code is published anywhere? [09:41:49] Probably not. [09:41:56] abian: I have never seen an example... [09:42:08] That's not precisely good [09:43:28] matej_suchanek: I think I've found a good one, 461 hits [09:43:49] 5,500 more to go then :) [09:44:09] Ivan doesn't answer me, and I can't improve the bot by myself [09:44:35] Oh wait, most of them are already done. :( [09:44:45] abian: is there an urgent problem to block the bot? [09:47:15] No, it's not a problem, the bot isn't editing "wrongly" but in an "insufficient way" [09:47:36] * abian looks for the link... [09:47:42] sjoerddebruin: "Frans Hals" [09:48:04] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ivan_A._Krestinin#Constraint:Contemporary [09:48:33] matej_suchanek: \o/ [09:48:55] running that one now [09:49:15] "Prinses Beatrix", "Prins Hendrik"... [09:49:43] Yeah, trying to find some in that area. [09:49:50] Royalty and painters. :P [09:51:15] Meanwhile the query that you gave me some time ago doesn't work anymore. :O [09:51:32] yes, atm looking into it [09:51:41] Ah, now it loads. [09:51:48] Anne Frank! [09:52:56] Just 36, but it's something. :P [09:53:04] Constraints are originally created by the community or by the developing team? [09:53:16] It was community, right? [09:53:21] yes [09:53:28] if you mean the reports [09:53:40] There is a framework created by students hired by WMDE now, but it's not working very well. [09:53:51] The idea of deciding which constraints should we use [09:54:03] that was Ivan's idea, I think [09:54:03] Yes, I read it [09:54:27] but at that time, I wasn't very active in community [09:54:50] There was consensus on creating a {{constraint:contemporary}} but, without the intervention of Ivan, there's nothing the community can do [09:54:50] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:constraint:contemporary [09:55:17] {{Constraint:Contemporary}} [09:55:17] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Contemporary [09:55:42] sjoerddebruin: load this http://tinyurl.com/zygnvce [09:55:53] I'm keeping it cached for you [09:56:07] Woah, how? [09:56:22] each query is cached for some time after execution [09:56:46] And I wrote the assertions for this constraint... [09:56:52] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2016/07#Let.27s_make_a_Constraint:Contemporary [09:57:16] abian: why isn't the complex constraints system sufficient? [09:59:22] I see the complex constraints system is proper for constraints that are for a specific property, not for many of them [10:00:36] And it's not good to have two separate systems of constraint [10:00:41] *constraints [10:00:59] 196 for Prins Hendrik. :) [10:01:06] sjoerddebruin: 260,307 streets, 12,368 have a "named after", so 5,300 more to go [10:01:18] you want I will ask my bot [10:01:26] *if you want [10:01:44] I need to have something to do, thanks for your help though. :) [10:02:26] That would be great, matej_suchanek :) [10:03:25] Anyway, we need a community-owned system to review the constraints, the code cannot be unknown and limited to an editor... [10:05:06] I'll suggest that Ivan publish its code [10:06:20] If not, it would be best to start developing an alternative (free) system for standard constraints... [10:07:55] abian: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase_Quality_Extensions [10:08:23] Yes, I read it (thanks anyway) :) [10:08:41] But I know this process is going too slowly [10:09:30] maybe the system could be based on SPARQL queries which are anyway generated on property talk pages [10:09:58] then a bot could read them daily and update them on report pages [10:10:10] That would be a nice solution [10:10:37] Although I suspect that some queries wouldn't be completed [10:10:48] it wasn't my idea to generate them but I expanded and improved many of them [10:11:22] however, reading input is problem which prevents us from covering all cases [10:11:55] the biggest advantage is that they are based on live data, not dumps [10:12:51] but reading input can be fixed by Lua [10:13:25] This concerns me though. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/Mandatory_constraints/Violations [10:13:35] Some "encapsulated" complex constraints could play as standard constraints [10:13:42] and even the whole generating can be migrated from wikitext parser function to Lua [10:14:02] which I would dare taking as task if there was interest [10:14:26] What to do with this confusing item: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2456997 [10:14:31] Is it a human or a group? [10:15:34] group of one person... does that make sense? [10:15:42] strange, indeed [10:17:30] Another message for Ivan... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIvan_A._Krestinin&type=revision&diff=360363803&oldid=359895905 [10:20:30] Going for group [10:21:45] Okay [10:21:58] interconnecting with "said to be same as" would make it more clear, I believe [10:23:01] However, I'm not sure if both are exactly "the same" [10:23:31] it is not same, it is "said to be smae" [10:23:43] if they were same, they would be merged [10:24:46] They're not semantically the same, I mean, they're instances of two completely different concepts [10:25:22] And the only member of this band could be changed, but the band could remain (weird thing, anyway) [10:25:34] good point [10:28:24] This case is similar to King África's one [10:28:26] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_África [10:28:44] In 1997 Laacré quit the project citing artistic and economic differences.[2] He was replaced by the Argentine of British descent Alan Duffy. From then on the band switched headquarters to Spain, where they achieved greater success. [10:28:44] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Contemporary [10:31:22] ... which is wrong in Wikidata, I see xD [10:31:24] [[Q1389229]] [10:31:24] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1389229 [10:41:17] Concerning constraint, a step that should be done in any case is adding SPARQL queries to properties which haven't them yet [10:42:14] {{Constraint:Type}} is an example [10:42:14] 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Type [10:42:42] *Concerning constraints [10:42:51] abian: I made an overview recently, let me find the link... [10:43:48] https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/11252 [10:47:48] Ouch, *queries to constraints, not "queries to properties" [10:48:19] ah [10:48:27] Apologies :S [10:48:51] c:type has it if only one class is provided [10:50:42] Wikidata down? [10:50:46] This *{{Constraint:Type|classes=Q729|relation=instance}} doesn't show a link to the query, maybe it's a problem related to the template [10:50:50] hm, there it is [10:51:24] abia: there is classes but only one class [10:51:34] if there was class=, it would work [10:51:57] Ah, well seen, thanks :) [10:52:20] (I thought templates were more clever) :P [10:52:45] as I said, more complex input requires Lua [11:01:11] I think I broke a tool. https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Sjoerddebruin&project=wikidata [11:34:20] Hello. I have a simple question for the API: How can I get a property of a page? For example: I have a wikidata-id of a person and wnat his/her birthdate. [11:53:35] DaBPunkt: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbgetclaims [11:55:32] sjoerddebruin: thanks, exactly what I was looking for :-) [11:55:46] np :3 [11:57:44] matej_suchanek: hm, most people are like 50 streets now. It's something, I guess. [12:00:43] let's see... [12:10:18] There are some high ones left, but there are multiple people with those names. [12:10:56] yeah, should have expected [12:11:45] The other ones were more clearly, but that is becoming too risky. [13:12:30] * aude waves :) [13:16:29] :D [13:16:40] * Harmonia_Amanda waves back at aude [13:17:36] * matej_suchanek wonders why aude repeatedly waves [13:58:32] aude \o/ [13:59:03] I'll be back to working regularly on Monday! But you're not there :( [13:59:09] :/ [13:59:27] internship is over? [13:59:32] :O [14:11:51] aude: Right now is the last hour! I now know some JS and nodejs! :D [14:12:29] :) [15:40:13] matej_suchanek: okay, how many to go now? :P [15:41:12] just a minute [15:42:59] sadly, there was a small error in my previous numbers which results in need of more than 260 streets [15:43:05] 1,500 atm [15:43:34] 1500 to go? [15:43:39] yes [15:43:52] You're not saying that I've tagged 4k streets? [15:44:13] who else today? [15:45:24] Don't see anyone mass-adding them on https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&hidemyself=1&target=Property%3AP138&showlinkedto=1 [15:48:02] I did 5000 edits in the latest 24hr so... [15:48:25] see this: http://tinyurl.com/h4xzsoo [15:48:34] so you don't have to ask me [15:50:25] Well I'm just going to work as hard as I can and ask for a update when Marius is back. [15:53:37] Is it btw just me or is the map on WDQS slightly off? [15:54:11] brb [18:36:19] aude: Thanks for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131036. When is the next wikidata build? Is it weekly? [18:37:01] Ah, I see it's daily. It missed it by a few hours. Okay, no problem. [18:42:49] Krinkle: if it can wait until tomorrow... [18:43:02] Sure thing :) [18:43:07] ok [20:08:04] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:08:05] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:08:07] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! 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PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:08:51] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:08:51] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:08:53] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:08:59] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:09:00] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:09:17] Hm, so long ago I forgot how to op myself. :P [20:09:49] matej_suchanek: can you help me with another task? [20:10:27] I can try [20:11:05] I need a list of popular first name suggestions, so I can lower the amount of people on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin/Voornaam [20:11:41] hm [20:12:07] of course, I have already tried doing this but always failed [20:12:18] Oh, too bad. [20:12:28] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:12:29] JEM TE M4T4D3 !!! 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PLATONIDES VA A M0D1D Y TENER S3X0 CON LAURA FIORUCCI [20:13:11] this looks easier as we are working on a smaller set though [20:13:27] yeah, I mostly focusing on my own wiki :P [20:15:50] so there 4,351 people like this and took 2 seconds, so hopefully... [20:16:16] sjoerddebruin: why do you want such thing? [20:16:38] Platonides: to give everyone a first name? :) [20:16:39] oh, and thanks for getting op [20:16:48] I don't have @ here [20:16:52] Yeah, if he comes back it's time to ban. [20:16:56] he will [20:17:01] with a different ip [20:17:08] Hmm [20:17:15] he has been annoying us for weeks [20:17:23] First time in this channel though. [20:17:30] really? [20:17:42] yep, interesting [20:17:51] he entered here before [20:18:01] but did not message anyone [20:18:02] ah [20:18:13] !admin [20:18:18] * WikidataFacts applauds sjoerddebruin [20:18:37] Oh right, "doei" is my default kick reason. :') [20:18:50] you ... are ... beast [20:19:10] you can find him some hours ago with ips 177.54.150.173 and 46.101.246.66 [20:19:30] :) [20:19:58] Ugh [20:20:18] sjoerddebruin: Jan, Ko, Ruud, Nel, Co and ... DJ :) [20:20:33] DJ are probably pseudonyms [20:20:46] should work on them too [20:22:58] But that requires some more work. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2624916&type=revision&diff=360525731&oldid=347929644 [20:23:21] make a more spefic regex [20:23:26] name + space [20:23:45] oh, nevermind [20:28:35] anyway, this is what I have so far: http://tinyurl.com/hnrdtpd [20:31:38] what happens if change it to Czech nationals on cswiki... [20:32:56] Hm, belgium is already somewhat more useful [20:33:33] depends on what language code you choose... [20:37:01] those pretty petscan 502's :3 [22:42:54] Wow, an IRC flood attack. I haven't seen that in a long time. [23:05:46] darn, i missed it :-( [23:32:46] gn8 [23:58:18] harej: they've been hitting a lot of #wikimedia-* channels over the last couple of days. Also using /topic to spam. Really annoying